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So DOJ is not totally tone-deaf after all.

This was so frackin' stoopid as to be nearly beyond polite description.  Classic self-inflicted wound that was completely un-necessary in the first place, only to have the White House throw both DOJ & the FBI under they bus by pleading ignorance of the original decision!

Unreal.

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But they still can't figure out his motivation...   **nononono*
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He said Allah....not God right? Still not the truth if so.

Allah is more like a title that translates to god (doesn't mean the same god just like Krishna isn't the same god of the Bible.)  Allah translates from Arabic as al (the) ilah (deity). Some are making a bit too much into changing that to god, that part could have been a translation choice.  For a Muslim, saying Allah or god would be the same if the context is the same.
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Allah is more like a title that translates to god

But the DoJ changed it on purpose, of course

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Allah is more like a title that translates to god (doesn't mean the same god just like Krishna isn't the same god of the Bible.)  Allah translates from Arabic as al (the) ilah (deity). Some are making a bit too much into changing that to god, that part could have been a translation choice.  For a Muslim, saying Allah or god would be the same if the context is the same.
Technically, Allah is simply the Arabic word for God - however, in much of the ME, the Muslims will not allow Christian Arabs to use that word (Allah) and in fact there have been some outbreaks of Muslim hysteria and violence over it.  So no, translating the word as if it were interchangeable was dishonest and simply an attempt to conceal the Islamic aspect of it.

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I'm confused.  I thought there were three calls!  Why only release the 2:35am call?


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“The purpose of releasing the partial transcript of the shooter's interaction with 911 operators was to provide transparency, while remaining sensitive to the interests of the surviving victims, their families, and the integrity of the ongoing investigation.  We also did not want to provide the killer or terrorist organizations with a publicity platform for hateful propaganda.  Unfortunately, the unreleased portions of the transcript that named the terrorist organizations and leaders have caused an unnecessary distraction from the hard work that the FBI and our law enforcement partners have been doing to investigate this heinous crime.  As much of this information had been previously reported, we have re-issued the complete transcript to include these references in order to provide the highest level of transparency possible under the circumstances.”


https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/joint-statement-justice-department-and-fbi-regarding-transcript-related-orlando-terror-attack

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http://hotair.com/archives/2016/06/19/video-loretta-lynch-reveals-that-the-orlando-shooter-didnt-mention-gays-to-the-fbi/

The killer never mentioned gays. In other words, this wasn't about the victims being gay

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Dana Bash: He was, of course, in a gay nightclub. Did he talk about his feelings about gay Americans?

Lynch: You know, he didn’t get into that. So we’re still exploring why he chose this particular place to attack. We’re asking people who have information to come forward… We are trying to learn everything we can about this individuals motivations. As you note, he was in a gay nightclub. This was an act of terror and an act of hate targeted against a community, the LGBT community, the Latino community, and of course the LGBT community is so far too often the victims of these types of crimes.

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The FBI’s timeline of the deadliest Islamic terrorist attack within the United States since 9/11 doesn’t seem to be consistent with accounts from both the living and the dead inside Pulse nightclub in Orlando.

Today, the FBI released the following timeline of events based on Orlando Police Department (OPD) radio communications.
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    The following is based on Orlando Police Department (OPD) radio communication (times are approximate):

        2:02 a.m.: OPD call transmitted multiple shots fired at Pulse nightclub.
        2:04 a.m.: Additional OPD officers arrived on scene.
        2:08 a.m.: Officers from various law enforcement agencies made entrance to Pulse and engaged the shooter.
        2:18 a.m.: OPD S.W.A.T. (Special Weapons & Tactics) initiated a full call-out.
        2:35 a.m.: Shooter contacted a 911 operator from inside Pulse. The call lasted approximately 50 seconds, the details of which are set out below:

    Orlando Police Dispatcher (OD)
    Shooter (OM)

    OD: Emergency 911, this is being recorded.
    OM: In the name of God the Merciful, the beneficial [in Arabic]
    OD: What?
    OM: Praise be to God, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God [in Arabic]. I let you know, I’m in Orlando and I did the shootings.
    OD: What’s your name?
    OM: My name is I pledge of allegiance to [omitted].
    OD: Ok, What’s your name?
    OM: I pledge allegiance to [omitted] may God protect him [in Arabic], on behalf of [omitted].
    OD: Alright, where are you at?
    OM: In Orlando.
    OD: Where in Orlando?
    [End of call.]

    (Shortly thereafter, the shooter engaged in three conversations with OPD’s Crisis Negotiation Team.)

        2:48 a.m.: First crisis negotiation call occurred lasting approximately nine minutes.
        3:03 a.m.: Second crisis negotiation call occurred lasting approximately 16 minutes.
        3:24 a.m.: Third crisis negotiation call occurred lasting approximately three minutes.

    In these calls, the shooter, who identified himself as an Islamic soldier, told the crisis negotiator that he was the person who pledged his allegiance to [omitted], and told the negotiator to tell America to stop bombing Syria and Iraq and that is why he was “out here right now.” When the crisis negotiator asked the shooter what he had done, the shooter stated, “No, you already know what I did.” The shooter continued, stating, “There is some vehicle outside that has some bombs, just to let you know. You people are gonna get it, and I’m gonna ignite it if they try to do anything stupid.” Later in the call with the crisis negotiator, the shooter stated that he had a vest, and further described it as the kind they “used in France.” The shooter later stated, “In the next few days, you’re going to see more of this type of action going on.” The shooter hung up and multiple attempts to get in touch with him were unsuccessful.

        4:21 a.m.: OPD pulled an air conditioning unit out of a Pulse dressing room window for victims to evacuate.

    (While the FBI will not be releasing transcripts of OPD communication with victims, significant information obtained from those victims allowed OPD to gain knowledge of the situation inside Pulse.)

        4:29 a.m.: As victims were being rescued, they told OPD the shooter said he was going to put four vests with bombs on victims within 15 minutes.

    (An immediate search of the shooter’s vehicle on scene and inside Pulse ultimately revealed no vest or improvised explosive device.)

        5:02 a.m.: OPD SWAT and OCSO Hazardous Device Team began to breach wall with explosive charge and armored vehicle to make entry.
        5:14 a.m.: OPD radio communication stated that shots were fired.
        5:15 a.m.: OPD radio communication stated that OPD engaged the suspect and the suspect was reported down.

    Based on OPD radio communications, there were no reports of shots being fired inside Pulse between the initial exchange of gunfire between responding officers and shooter, and the time of the final breach. During this time, the shooter communicated with an OPD 911 operator and an OPD crisis negotiator, and OPD radio communications reported that victims were being rescued.
The FBI is basing their timeline on OPD radio communications only.

Radio communications are, of course, only part of a much largest tapestry of evidence.

There are conflicting accounts as to whether OPD units were inside Pulse during the standoff, and whether OPD officers were in a position to hear gunshots.

Several pieces of evidence suggests that the OPD’s version of events doesn’t hold up, and that at least some of victims were shot and killed during the time the OPD asserts that no shooting was going on.   ...
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Scrubbed Orlando 9-1-1 transcript 'déjà vu all over again'
Erasure of Islamic motive frequent occurrence under Obama
Published: 10 hours ago
 

What motivated the terrorist in Orlando who killed 49 people and wounded another 53 one week ago?

The federal government has some clues, but apparently President Obama and his Justice Department don’t want the American people to see them.

After heavy criticism from Republicans and social media, the administration Monday clumsily reversed course after redacting portions of the transcript of the 9-1-1 call by Orlando killer Omar Mateen that made references to ISIS and Islam.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2016/06/scrubbed-orlando-9-1-1-transcript-deja-vu-all-over-again/#SpWESMEaiACBsOgq.99

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New York Post editorial (excerpted; click on link for rest of article):
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Idiotic: That’s the only word for the Obama administration’s move to scrub references to Islam or ISIS from the transcripts of Orlando terrorist Omar Mateen’s calls.

Under an avalanche of ridicule, the Justice Department on Monday relented and released the full transcripts. But what was the point? Everyone already knew that he’d pledged allegiance to ISIS and its “caliph.”

Fine: President Obama wants to make this about gun control, not terrorism — but ham-handed editing only calls attention to what you’re deleting, and to Obama’s peevish rules against uttering terms like “radical Islam.”

Just look at the redactions:

Mateen: “I pledge of allegiance to [omitted]. “I pledge allegiance to [omitted] may God protect him [in Arabic], on behalf of [omitted].”

All the omissions did was make Team Obama look determined to keep its head in the sand about the nature of the enemy.

Even the “explanations” sounded dumb. Here’s Attorney General Loretta Lynch on ABC’s “This Week”: “What we’re not going to do is further proclaim this man’s pledges of allegiance to terrorist groups, and further his propaganda.”

Further his propaganda? Seriously? The answer to Islamist jihad is to black out the words?

Lynch never did anything this absurd in all her years as US Attorney here in New York, so you know the order came down from above.

It’s also idiocy déjà vu  ...
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Could this be simply be a pissing contest between Director Comey and perceived lame-duck, Barack Obama?

Comey's agent was the first governmental law enforcement officer to speak on the matter and he tried, valiantly I might add, to explain away the redacted words in the provided transcript.   That could have been a handy WH official showing suggested talking points, etc..

Is it more a case of Hillary Clinton's campaign not wanting another scandal and giving her an opportunity to separate herself from Syrian Refugee Program?

After more than 7-1/2 years, you don't make a gaffe this huge...contradicting both the FBI spokesman AND the Attorney General (DOJ).

I think Hillary told Valerie to stop the BS.
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Allah is more like a title that translates to god (doesn't mean the same god just like Krishna isn't the same god of the Bible.)  Allah translates from Arabic as al (the) ilah (deity). Some are making a bit too much into changing that to god, that part could have been a translation choice.  For a Muslim, saying Allah or god would be the same if the context is the same.

From what I could make out from the transcripts, "Allah" was the only Arabic word, every other word was English.  Why would they translate for just that one word?  This is probably why the actual audio isn't being released.
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