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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #100 on: June 16, 2016, 01:10:41 am »

As someone who is not a fan of Islam, I don't like rounding up American citizens who are just Muslim and just living their daily lives..

Well, except for the fact that moohamhead was a muslim terrorist and every mooslim holds that maggot as their god.

islam/muslims need to be exterminated... they are incompatible with Humanity... much less Civilization.
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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #101 on: June 16, 2016, 01:18:08 am »
The average shotgun doesn't have much spread at 10ft.  You still have to aim pretty close. 

 If you use 00 the shot will go thru multiple layers of sheet rock.    Won't go thru much metal bulkheads tho.   Houses and ships are built differently.

Each to their own but according to tests I've seen the ar15 is actually a pretty good home defense choice.
The barrel is to long for me and my house has several relatively narrow door ways in close proximity. I prefer either my Dan Wesson 357 with 158 gr. JHP's or the Colt 1911 with 240 gr. roundball. But as you said each to his own
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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #102 on: June 16, 2016, 01:19:04 am »
I have mixed emotions about this.  On the one hand you have the 2nd amendment, which is the "right to bear arms".  Ok what exactly is that?  At the time it was written, they referred to pistols and rifles....not sure many citizens owned a cannon.  So basically they were saying pistols and rifles.

Ok...here we are in 2016 with all kinds of weapons available on the open market.  What should be legal and what should be illegal?  Can I own a hellfire missile?...doubtful.  So what exactly can we own and how is this determined. 

I've fired an "assault rifle" and it was fun to shoot, but not practical for hunting, unless you want to slaughter hogs, which may not be such a bad idea.  Personally I don't own one and would likely never buy one, just because it's not practical.  If you are looking to protect yourself from your overreaching government I could see owning one.

If someone breaks into my house at night....the last thing I'd be looking for is my "assault rifle", it would be my loaded handgun.  They make fun toys.....but.......  Like I say, I have mixed emotions about them......

Well, I look at things perhaps a littler differently.  Article II of the U.S. Constitution states "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

For crying out loud. The 2nd amendment is very specific and is only one sentence long. We can read that sentence a million times and it still isn't going to say, what type and how many arms one can have, nor does it state that the government can regulate the right of the people to own weapons or what type of weapon.  It doesn't say that anywhere in that one simple sentence. I am sick to death of the gun control nuts who keep trying to add to the meaning of one sentence in order to impose restrictions.
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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #103 on: June 16, 2016, 01:25:58 am »
The barrel is to long for me and my house has several relatively narrow door ways in close proximity. I prefer either my Dan Wesson 357 with 158 gr. JHP's or the Colt 1911 with 240 gr. roundball. But as you said each to his own

By my head, at my couch.. where I most often sleep.. is a MP40 with Crimsontrace laser grips. Next to my bed is a converted 870 with 00. In My safe is a .45 Kimber with Crimson.. and a ak/47 yugo. 

All are ready to go.

Oh.. at the front door is a Luiville slugger.

Safe to say ...I sleep well.  :smokin:
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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #104 on: June 16, 2016, 01:34:07 am »
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Each to their own but according to tests I've seen the ar15 is actually a pretty good home defense choice.

With that part only, I disagree.  About any center fire rifle cartridge will easily penetrate an intruder completely and proceed through the next interior wall.  Again, this is assuming the combat is IN THE HOME.  The shotgun is much more deadly to the invader and safer to the friendly occupants. As is the pistol.

Let us all quit beating around the bush. The recent talk of gun control exists solely to deflect attention from the ongoing and deliberate failures of our federal government. Period.

This talk of "assault weapon" bans is merely to get a class of weapons out of the public hands that can be kept operational from captured government ammunition supplies.  In an extended civilian uprising or other crises, you won't find any 30-30, 30.06, or other sporting cartridges in quantity.  There WILL be a lot of .223, 7.62x39, 7.62 Nato etc ,  lying around to be picked up from dead mercenaries.

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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #105 on: June 16, 2016, 01:39:16 am »
This is one of those ideas that sounds inarguable on its face, until the administration consults with the Southern Poverty Law Center to decide who should be put on the terrorist watch list.
I agree.  This is one of those times when you need to look past the immediate reaction to a terrible situation and consider the consequences outside of the feelings.  The liberals are always surprised by the consequences of their latest activism when it is based on feelings and not based on an evaluation of what the end result will be when you give the government more power.
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« Reply #106 on: June 16, 2016, 01:46:28 am »

As someone who is not a fan of Islam, I don't like rounding up American citizens who are just Muslim and just living their daily lives..

You may be queasy about it, but that is exactly what we did during WWII to Japanese Americans.  We just did not know who were sympathizers.

And we are at war with Radical Islam.

Until those Muslim 'American Citizens' publicly demonstrate a staunch dislike for what the radicals are doing, we will have no choice but to declare them sympathizers.

It is called survival.  This is no time for the mushy middle as you will get killed.
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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #107 on: June 16, 2016, 01:47:17 am »
With that part only, I disagree.  About any center fire rifle cartridge will easily penetrate an intruder completely and proceed through the next interior wall.  Again, this is assuming the combat is IN THE HOME.  The shotgun is much more deadly to the invader and safer to the friendly occupants. As is the pistol.

Let us all quit beating around the bush. The recent talk of gun control exists solely to deflect attention from the ongoing and deliberate failures of our federal government. Period.

This talk of "assault weapon" bans is merely to get a class of weapons out of the public hands that can be kept operational from captured government ammunition supplies.  In an extended civilian uprising or other crises, you won't find any 30-30, 30.06, or other sporting cartridges in quantity.  There WILL be a lot of .223, 7.62x39, 7.62 Nato etc ,  lying around to be picked up from dead mercenaries.

That's just it.  The shotgun has more penetration than the ar15.  Lots of videos on YouTube.  All are good choices and I was responding to someone who said it doesn't have any value as a home defensive weapon.

Personally I am going to go out and buy an ar15 very soon.   Another one I should say.   Already have 3, a bushmaster, a core15, and a lmt.    Maybe some more pmags too.
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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #108 on: June 16, 2016, 01:47:31 am »
So much for the second amendment.   It looks like we will have two major candidates who are probably gun control.  Just a matter of degree as to which one is worse.

Way to go.  Now you're really going to confuse the Trump supporters because they've been telling me how great Trump is on the 2nd amendment in comparison to Hillary ... after all he's the candidate that's been given the NRA endorsement!   :silly:
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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #109 on: June 16, 2016, 02:24:56 am »
By my head, at my couch.. where I most often sleep.. is a MP40 with Crimsontrace laser grips. Next to my bed is a converted 870 with 00. In My safe is a .45 Kimber with Crimson.. and a ak/47 yugo. 

All are ready to go.

Oh.. at the front door is a Luiville slugger.

Safe to say ...I sleep well.  :smokin:
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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #110 on: June 16, 2016, 02:29:03 am »
That's just it.  The shotgun has more penetration than the ar15.  Lots of videos on YouTube.  All are good choices and I was responding to someone who said it doesn't have any value as a home defensive weapon.

Personally I am going to go out and buy an ar15 very soon.   Another one I should say.   Already have 3, a bushmaster, a core15, and a lmt.    Maybe some more pmags too.

I'm sure you tube is correct and I'm mistaken. I've only owned shotguns and AR15s since nineteen seventy something...
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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #111 on: June 16, 2016, 03:26:14 am »
http://theresurgent.com/donald-trump-just-caved-on-gun-control/

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Folks, remember who supported this Constitution hating idiot. And when all hell breaks loose, be sure to close the door in their faces when they come begging for you and your guns to save them.

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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #112 on: June 16, 2016, 03:39:48 am »
I'm sure you tube is correct and I'm mistaken. I've only owned shotguns and AR15s since nineteen seventy something...
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You don't need to be a smart ass.   Several people have tested penetration thru sheet rock using different calibers.   Basically two sheets of sheet rock with a 2x4 frame.     The 5.56 broke up and didn't penetrate thru the 3rd layer of sheet rock.    Everything else went through 4 layers or two simulated walls.

Guess you're smarter than actually watching g what happens in a video though.

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« Reply #113 on: June 16, 2016, 04:09:27 am »
No one can trust the federal government at this point with names on the 'watch list' that don't belong there for starters.

This is no time to cave to the Left and its insane and incremental assault on the Second Amendment.

The insanity of the terrorists and other mass murderers is only compounded by the Uniparty politicians and inside the beltway special interest group responses to it.

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« Reply #114 on: June 16, 2016, 08:49:27 am »
If folks on a terrorist no-fly list can be banned from boarding a plane,  why cannot they be banned from buying guns?

If the answer is the need for due process, then let's address what due process can be employed to protect our rights.   We have already established tribunals - the FISA courts - to provide due process with respect to government attempts to engage specific surveillance of individuals.    Maybe the solution is to require the government to provide evidence to a FISA court in order to place an individual on a no-buy list.

Because even Government auditing agencies say there are serious flaws with the list and how people are put on there.

The late rotund Ted Kennedy was once on the terrorist watch list.

And what's to say the left won't decide to include TEA Party Activists, conservative media hosts and others they don't like on the list?

We already know that they've used the IRS to target people they don't like.

For that matter I could end up on the terror watch list.  I mean the former DHS Secretary thought combat veterans posed a terrorist threat.  So who's to say how fairly and accurately a "terror watch list" will be maintained?
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« Reply #115 on: June 16, 2016, 10:02:45 am »
I have mixed emotions about this.  On the one hand you have the 2nd amendment, which is the "right to bear arms".  Ok what exactly is that?  At the time it was written, they referred to pistols and rifles....not sure many citizens owned a cannon.  So basically they were saying pistols and rifles.
Actually, those who owned shipping companies, owned cannon, too. It was then, as now, a question of what a person could afford and their perceived need. Not one so much of government intervention.
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Ok...here we are in 2016 with all kinds of weapons available on the open market.  What should be legal and what should be illegal?  Can I own a hellfire missile?...doubtful.  So what exactly can we own and how is this determined. 
Perhaps. It would be considered a destructive device under the NFA. The question is one of cost, a platform to fire it from, and getting the purchase approved by the Federal Government. I'm not sure how much scrutiny that would bring you under, but that would likely be considerable. And it is unlikely that the purchase would be approved, as the US doesn't like state of the art weapons just floating around for reverse engineering. But that's a national security question.
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I've fired an "assault rifle" and it was fun to shoot, but not practical for hunting, unless you want to slaughter hogs, which may not be such a bad idea.  Personally I don't own one and would likely never buy one, just because it's not practical.  If you are looking to protect yourself from your overreaching government I could see owning one.
When you say "assault rifle", are you referring to a select fire weapon which allows burst or fully automatic fire, or are you referring to a firearm which looks like one of those which fires semi-automatic (one pull of the trigger fires one round, after which the firearm loads using recoil energy or gas power from the previous cartridge)? If the latter, these firearms have been around a lot longer than either the Stoner variants (including the M-16, M-4, and the AR-15), and include such venerable veterans of conflict as the M1 Garand, the M1 Carbine, and a host of other rifles. Some of these do not outwardly resemble the AR-15 by any stretch of the imagination, but would be banned along with any other semi-automatic firearm.

Consider that these are used for hunting. They are used for self-defense, and they are used for target shooting. 
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If someone breaks into my house at night....the last thing I'd be looking for is my "assault rifle", it would be my loaded handgun.  They make fun toys.....but.......  Like I say, I have mixed emotions about them......
If you are defending your home, the firearm closest at hand, and hopefully the one which you are most comfortable and proficient with, is the ideal selection. Other arms may be more effective, but it is easier to get ammunition for that handgun with limited drywall penetration which is very effective against a perpetrator. Handguns are easier to maneuver in tight spaces, so much depends on the layout of your home. That doesn't make the AR-15 a bad choice for home defense, only for you and your home.

As for me, nope. No mixed emotions at all. Considering fewer than ten people have been killed with legally owned machine guns since the NFA of 1934, I'd say claw hammers are far more dangerous.
 
The semi-automatic rifle is fine for hunting, so long as you don't decide to empty the magazine at some critter. I asked the Game and Fish folks in ND what the magazine limit was if you, for instance, take an AK-47 deer hunting a few years back. They said you could have the full 30 in the mag, but if you needed more than the first two, shame on you. I agree.

So what is the difference between taking that M1A deer hunting and the AK? Well, the M1A is generally recognized as more accurate, more precise, but despite not being a 'black gun' would be surely included in another AWB. The Mini 14 similarly, is a decent varmint rifle, and the Ranch model can be used hunting deer, coyotes, or other similarly sized critters. No one decries the semi-auto shotgun (with magazine limitations to comply with Federal waterfowl hunting law) in the duck blind, why decry a rifle which can be used for everything from hunting to home defense to target shooting?

The problem isn't the tool, it is the intent of the person who wields it. The same or even more evil results could have been obtained with a box full of wine bottles, a few gallons of gasoline and some rags, down in Florida. It was the intent of the people who did the shooting to kill people they regarded as Infidels. Period. Make them use a different tool, and they will. They have demonstrated creativity in mass murder worldwide.

It isn't about the firearm, it is about the person behind it. Some of the greatest acts of heroism have been performed with firearms, and some despicable acts, too. There are a host of laws on the books that attempt to ensure that firearms don't fall into the wrong hands, and even those are not enough to stop those bent of mayhem and murder from accomplishing that task. They will find a way.

Lest we forget, the first documented homicide was committed with a rock. As a geologist, I can safely say rocks aren't going away any time soon. More laws aren't the answer--after all, it was the no gun zone laws which made that group even more vulnerable to attack.
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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #116 on: June 16, 2016, 10:04:47 am »
Cannons weren't uncommon on civilian ships when it was written, even as late as the Civil War you had private purchases of Gatlin guns by those forming their own military units.
The Tiffany family donated two machine guns to The Roughriders (Teddy Rooseveldt's outfit).
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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #117 on: June 16, 2016, 10:10:39 am »
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« Reply #118 on: June 16, 2016, 10:10:58 am »
Of course its madness, if everyone is honest about their intentions and we all share the same definition of 'terrorism'.

But you just know the bureaucrats will keep the definition as vague as they possibly can. This is a useful tool for them, they will not squander the opportunity to use it towards their goal of removing what they see as the primary existential threat to themselves.

And that ain't Islamic terrorism.
Besides, the horrific acts of Islamic terrorists, with the part about Islamic terror left out, become fodder for the purveyors of legislation to deprive Americans of a fundamental Right.
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« Reply #119 on: June 16, 2016, 10:25:49 am »
Sale of machine guns have been illegal since the 1930s. Was that a cave to anti gunners? Was it an affront to the second amendment for congress to make a fully automatic weapon illegal for sale to the public?
Machine guns can still be legally purchased. It requires a Class III permit (license) and the payment of a transfer tax, enough money to buy the firearm, and pass the requisite background checks. There are approximately 120,000 legally owned machine guns in private hands, and another 120,000 in law enforcement hands. http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html
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« Reply #120 on: June 16, 2016, 10:28:51 am »
Nonsense.  I'm law abiding and would LOVE a machine gun.   I'd also like a new manufacture full auto firearm.
Especially if I could obtain it at global market prices. (under 1 K for most front line rifles, less optics).
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« Reply #121 on: June 16, 2016, 10:29:42 am »
Because even Government auditing agencies say there are serious flaws with the list and how people are put on there.

The late rotund Ted Kennedy was once on the terrorist watch list.

And what's to say the left won't decide to include TEA Party Activists, conservative media hosts and others they don't like on the list?

We already know that they've used the IRS to target people they don't like.

For that matter I could end up on the terror watch list.  I mean the former DHS Secretary thought combat veterans posed a terrorist threat.  So who's to say how fairly and accurately a "terror watch list" will be maintained?
Let's say for the sake are argument they do establish a watch list and begin confiscating weapons. What will they do with people like me? Give me a lathe and a milling machine and I can build you a gun. Go under darn near any kitchen sink or bathroom cabinet and you and build and improvised explosive. This information is easily accessible on the internet FOR FREE. They are 3D printing guns capable of over 100 shots out of plastic.
Will they lock up all of us that have this knowledge or training. Heck the U.S. Army paid for and gave me most of this training.
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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #122 on: June 16, 2016, 03:49:14 pm »
He has no campaign infrastructure, will depend on the GOP itself to run his campaign and very little campaign money, says he'll rely on the media because he can't afford to run ads.

But he's going to "go it alone".  **nononono*
Nice work if you can get it. Can you imagine what this run, win lose or draw; will do for ratings for another reality TV show for him. That was the Palin model for success. 
It’s easier than working for a living doing great amazing yuge deals in real estate by taking land from old ladies selling Trumpway products with his name and ugly mug on it.
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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #123 on: June 16, 2016, 03:52:53 pm »
You may be queasy about it, but that is exactly what we did during WWII to Japanese Americans.  We just did not know who were sympathizers.

And we are at war with Radical Islam.

Until those Muslim 'American Citizens' publicly demonstrate a staunch dislike for what the radicals are doing, we will have no choice but to declare them sympathizers.

It is called survival.  This is no time for the mushy middle as you will get killed.
Rights we don't need no stinkin' right this is WAR. Have you ever studied the plot of 1984?
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Re: Trump just caved on gun control
« Reply #124 on: June 16, 2016, 05:07:54 pm »
By my head, at my couch.. where I most often sleep.. is a MP40 with Crimsontrace laser grips. Next to my bed is a converted 870 with 00. In My safe is a .45 Kimber with Crimson.. and a ak/47 yugo. 

All are ready to go.

Oh.. at the front door is a Luiville slugger.

Safe to say ...I sleep well.  :smokin:


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Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.