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« Reply #300 on: November 22, 2018, 12:42:23 pm »
I have an account there but find the site too hard to navigate. Much prefer Ancestry or Family Search.


I understand what you mean, but I like the SmartMatch feature they have.
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« Reply #301 on: January 20, 2019, 10:26:10 pm »
Twins get some 'mystifying' results when they put 5 DNA ancestry kits to the test
 
Chief geneticist at a popular ancestry company admits it's 'kind of a science and an art'

Charlsie Agro, Luke Denne · CBC News · Posted: Jan 18, 2019 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: January 18

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One set of identical twins, two different ancestry profiles.
At least that's the suggestion from one of the world's largest ancestry DNA testing companies.
Last spring, Marketplace host Charlsie Agro and her twin sister, Carly, bought home kits from AncestryDNA, MyHeritage, 23andMe, FamilyTreeDNA and Living DNA, and mailed samples of their DNA to each company for analysis.

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My sister and I have considered this for awhile. My results from two compnies. My mother and her, with Ancestry.

Anyway this article hints at the answer; the origin redictions, are subject to several variables, not the least of which is it id fairly new science.


One company I tested with is "Living DNA," a British-centric firm. To them most everything is British.

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« Reply #302 on: January 20, 2019, 10:47:00 pm »
Twins get some 'mystifying' results when they put 5 DNA ancestry kits to the test
 
Chief geneticist at a popular ancestry company admits it's 'kind of a science and an art'

Charlsie Agro, Luke Denne · CBC News · Posted: Jan 18, 2019 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: January 18

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One set of identical twins, two different ancestry profiles.
At least that's the suggestion from one of the world's largest ancestry DNA testing companies.
Last spring, Marketplace host Charlsie Agro and her twin sister, Carly, bought home kits from AncestryDNA, MyHeritage, 23andMe, FamilyTreeDNA and Living DNA, and mailed samples of their DNA to each company for analysis.

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My sister and I have considered this for awhile. My results from two compnies. My mother and her, with Ancestry.

Anyway this article hints at the answer; the origin redictions, are subject to several variables, not the least of which is it id fairly new science.


One company I tested with is "Living DNA," a British-centric firm. To them most everything is British.
Link, please? I'd like to read the whole thing.
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« Reply #303 on: April 28, 2019, 06:04:01 pm »
Well I just took the Ancestry DNA test. I'll let you know in a few weeks when I get the results.
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« Reply #304 on: April 28, 2019, 06:07:54 pm »
I've been going nuts on ancestry lately,  and just learned yesterday my 8x great grandmother was executed in Salem,  Mass., in 1692 after her conviction on witchcraft charges! Yikes.
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« Reply #305 on: April 28, 2019, 06:54:35 pm »
Two people in this month told me to go to 23 and me.

I still think for me it’s a bad idea. Why open a box I shouldn’t open!
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« Reply #306 on: April 28, 2019, 07:08:53 pm »
I had my DNA tested at Family Tree. In addition to the Autosomal test I also had the Y-DNA test. Now on the Y-DNA test results, three men were identified as a very close match to me. The closest common ancestor was estimated to live sometime around the 1600s. What is most interesting is that we all have different last names. That common ancestor sure did get around.

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« Reply #307 on: April 28, 2019, 07:23:12 pm »
I've been going nuts on ancestry lately,  and just learned yesterday my 8x great grandmother was executed in Salem,  Mass., in 1692 after her conviction on witchcraft charges! Yikes.

Years ago I spent too much time on Ancestry.  One of my ancestors I discovered was my 29th great grandmother, (Lady) Godiva, Countess of Mercia.

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« Reply #308 on: April 30, 2019, 08:26:31 am »
Italians try to crack Leonardo da Vinci DNA code with lock of hair

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2019/apr/29/italy-leonardo-da-vinci-dna-lock-of-artists-hair-test-remains-french-grave

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Hair tagged as polymath’s in US collection to be tested against remains in French grave

Two Italian experts are set to perform a DNA test on a lock of hair that they say might have belonged to Leonardo da Vinci.

The hair strand was found in a private collection in the US and will go on display for the first time at the Ideale Leonardo da Vinci museum in Vinci (the Tuscan town where the artist was born), from 2 May, the 500th anniversary of the artist’s death.

“We found, across the Atlantic, a lock of hair historically tagged ‘Les Cheveux de Leonardo da Vinci’ and this extraordinary relic will allow us to proceed in the quest to carry out research on Da Vinci’s DNA,” said Alessandro Vezzosi, the director of the museum and Agnese Sabato, president of the Leonardo da Vinci Heritage Foundation in a statement.

The lock will also be presented at a press conference at Leonardiana library in Vinci on Thursday as year-long celebrations get underway in Italy, France and elsewhere to commemorate the artist.

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« Reply #309 on: April 30, 2019, 12:51:59 pm »
Years ago I spent too much time on Ancestry.  One of my ancestors I discovered was my 29th great grandmother, (Lady) Godiva, Countess of Mercia.

Dig enough and you'll never know who you'll come across.

That is incredibly neat.
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« Reply #310 on: April 30, 2019, 02:21:53 pm »
I await the news release, when a major DNA entity announces the Neanderthal content for particular Haplogroups.

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/homo-heidelbergensis

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« Reply #311 on: April 30, 2019, 02:45:36 pm »
A few years back I found this site, with interesting content. Haplogroups, maps, etc.

They have a mobile app as well. As with most sites, a small number of "experts" seem todominate the volume of activity.

Eupedia

https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/
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« Reply #312 on: April 30, 2019, 02:57:54 pm »
I await the news release, when a major DNA entity announces the Neanderthal content for particular Haplogroups.

http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils/species/homo-heidelbergensis

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Neanderthal Report Basics

The Neanderthal Ancestry report provides information about how much of your ancestry can be traced back to the Neanderthals. The analysis includes the review of over 2,000 genetic variants of known Neanderthal origin that are scattered across the genome.

Neanderthals were a group of ancient humans who lived in Europe and Western Asia, and are the closest evolutionary relatives of modern humans. They went extinct about 40,000 years ago, after living alongside modern humans - Homo sapiens - for thousands of years. As a result, evidence of Neanderthal DNA is now found in traces in nearly all modern humans.

With the Neanderthal Ancestry report, you can view the amount of Neanderthal variants you have compared to all 23andMe customers worldwide.

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« Reply #313 on: April 30, 2019, 03:11:35 pm »
Y chromosome genes from Neanderthals likely extinct in modern men

http://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2016/04/modern-men-lack-y-chromosome-genes-from-neanderthals.html

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The Neanderthal counterpart of the human Y chromosome, or male sex chromosome, appears to have died out. Why this happened is up for debate.

Although it’s widely known that modern humans carry traces of Neanderthal DNA, a new international study led by researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine suggests that Neanderthal Y-chromosome genes disappeared from the human genome long ago.

The study was published April 7 in The American Journal of Human Genetics, in English and in Spanish, and will be available to view for free. The senior author is Carlos Bustamante, PhD, professor of biomedical data science and of genetics at the School of Medicine, and the lead author is Fernando Mendez, PhD, a postdoctoral scholar at Stanford.

The Y chromosome is one of two human sex chromosomes. Unlike the X chromosome, the Y chromosome is passed exclusively from father to son. This is the first study to examine a Neanderthal Y chromosome, Mendez said. Previous studies sequenced DNA from the fossils of Neanderthal women or from mitochondrial DNA, which is passed to children of either sex from their mother.

Other research has shown that the DNA of modern humans is from 2.5 to 4 percent Neanderthal DNA, a legacy of breeding between modern humans and Neanderthals 50,000 years ago. As a result, the team was excited to find that, unlike other kinds of DNA, the Neanderthal Y chromosome DNA was apparently not passed to modern humans during this time.

“We’ve never observed the Neanderthal Y chromosome DNA in any human sample ever tested,” Bustamante said. “That doesn’t prove it’s totally extinct, but it likely is.”

Why no Neanderthal DNA?

Why is not yet clear. The Neanderthal Y chromosome genes could have simply drifted out of the human gene pool by chance over the millennia. Another possibility, said Mendez, is that Neanderthal Y chromosomes include genes that are incompatible with other human genes, and he and his colleagues have found evidence supporting this idea. Indeed, one of the Y chromosome genes that differ in Neanderthals has previously been implicated in transplant rejection when males donate organs to women.

“The functional nature of the mutations we found,” said Bustamante, “suggests to us that Neanderthal Y chromosome sequences may have played a role in barriers to gene flow, but we need to do experiments to demonstrate this and are working to plan these now.”

Several Neanderthal Y chromosome genes that differ from those in humans function as part of the immune system. Three are "minor histocompatibility antigens," or H-Y genes, which resemble the HLA antigens that transplant surgeons check to make sure that organ donors and organ recipients have similar immune profiles. Because these Neanderthal antigen genes are on the Y chromosome, they are specific to males.

Theoretically, said Mendez, a woman’s immune system might attack a male fetus carrying Neanderthal H-Y genes. If women consistently miscarried male babies carrying Neanderthal Y chromosomes, that would explain its absence in modern humans. So far this is just a hypothesis, but the immune systems of modern women are known to sometimes react to male offspring when there’s genetic incompatibility.

When did we part ways?

The Y chromosome data also shed new light on the timeline for the divergence of humans and Neanderthals. The human lineage diverged from other apes over several million years, ending as late as 4 million years ago. After the final split from other apes, the human lineage branched into a series of different types of humans, including separate lineages for Neanderthals and what are now modern humans.

Previous estimates based on mitochondrial DNA put the divergence of the human and Neanderthal lineages at between 400,000 and 800,000 years ago. The last common ancestor of Neanderthals and humans — based on the Y chromosome DNA sequenced in the study — is about 550,000 years ago. Scientists believe Neanderthals died out about 40,000 years ago.

Sequencing the Neanderthal Y chromosome may shed further light on the relationship between humans and Neanderthals. One challenge for the research team is to find out whether the Y chromosome Neanderthal gene variants identified were indeed incompatible with human genes.

The data for the study came from public gene sequencing databases. "We did not collect any data for this work," said Mendez. "It was all public data."

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« Reply #315 on: April 30, 2019, 03:34:57 pm »
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« Reply #316 on: May 03, 2019, 03:55:44 am »
Years ago I spent too much time on Ancestry.  One of my ancestors I discovered was my 29th great grandmother, (Lady) Godiva, Countess of Mercia.

Dig enough and you'll never know who you'll come across.
We may well be (distantly) related.
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« Reply #317 on: May 21, 2019, 11:49:38 am »
DNA test proves former care worker is entitled to £50m country estate

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/may/21/dna-test-proves-former-care-worker-entitled-50m-country-estate-cornwall



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A former care worker has inherited a £50m country estate after a DNA test proved he was the son of its deceased owner.

Jordan Adlard Rogers, 31, found out his father was the aristocrat Charles Rogers after his death in 2018 and has now moved into the 1,536-acre Penrose estate in Cornwall, which his family has lived in for generations.

“I’m not going to forget where I’ve come from,” Adlard Rogers told CornwallLive. “I’ve been at the point of worrying about the next bill and have had a tough start in life but now I’m here I want to help people.”

He said he planned to set up a charity to help people living in nearby Porthleven and Helston.

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« Reply #318 on: May 27, 2019, 01:29:43 pm »
Here is a SNP Tracker tool: http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/snpTracker.html

Here is the output when I input my Haplogroup, R-BY88844.



I have no idea how accurate it is.


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« Reply #319 on: May 27, 2019, 03:05:25 pm »
Well roughly June 10th I will find out my DNA results from Ancestry.
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« Reply #320 on: May 27, 2019, 03:46:13 pm »
I have no idea how accurate it is.

If you have your DNA raw data, you can upload it to GedMatch, and run it against various databases (or reference data).
Well roughly June 10th I will find out my DNA results from Ancestry.


Do you also have extensive "paper" family tree geneology? Pedigree?


Note when you get those Ancestry results, you can also upload your data to Gedmatch.com



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« Reply #321 on: May 27, 2019, 04:39:20 pm »
If you have your DNA raw data, you can upload it to GedMatch, and run it against various databases (or reference data).

Do you also have extensive "paper" family tree geneology? Pedigree?


Note when you get those Ancestry results, you can also upload your data to Gedmatch.com

I don't do much on "paper", and I haven't worked on my tree in a long time. I currently have 3,500 ancestors or so. I would have many more but I hardly ever loaded siblings when I was researching my tree.

I've already loaded to Gedmatch, and ytree, yfull, WikiTree, and MyHeritage as well. And a couple others I've forgotten. I've only one match at my current Haplogroup, but I am awaiting another test results that should be ready next month sometime.

I've done all my testing at FTDNA

My Autosomal test identifies 5,156 matches.

My Mitochondrial  test shows 514 matches.

My Y-DNA test shows:

12   markers  316 matches
25   markers    57 matches
37   markers    31 matches
67   markers    15 matches
111 markers      7 matches


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« Reply #322 on: May 27, 2019, 04:56:58 pm »

I've already loaded to Gedmatch,

You are far more advanced than me.

My paper pedigree and my dna  tests confirm the other.


Four or more male generations back in central Sweden, and the matching Y-dna Haplogroup og I1.


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« Reply #323 on: May 27, 2019, 05:28:24 pm »
Out of all those matches FTDNA says I have, I've only researched and mapped into my tree less than a dozen or so. Most were 3rd to 5th Cousins. I've yet to find even one in all the MTDNA matches that have been identified. My 4 closest YDNA matches all have different last names. Our Most Recent Common Ancestor(MRCA) must have been quite a Ladies Man.

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« Reply #324 on: May 27, 2019, 05:55:52 pm »
If you have your DNA raw data, you can upload it to GedMatch, and run it against various databases (or reference data).

Do you also have extensive "paper" family tree geneology? Pedigree?


Note when you get those Ancestry results, you can also upload your data to Gedmatch.com


THank you fro the info.. I do have an online Trees on Family Search, MyHertiage, and of course Ancestry.


Once I get my DNA results I'll upload it Gedmatch and MyHeritage.
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« Reply #325 on: June 05, 2019, 07:34:54 pm »
Well I got my DNA from Ancestry and here is what I have found.


I have mostly Irish (both Ulster and regular Irish) and Scot DNA.


What came in second was British and Welsh (not surprising)


Third was German.


I think the test is accurate.
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« Reply #326 on: June 10, 2019, 08:02:32 am »
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Big Y-700: The Forefront of Y Chromosome Testing

https://blog.familytreedna.com/human-y-chromosome-testing-milestones/

Human Y Chromosome Testing Milestones

In 2013 we released the advanced Big Y test and since then, we’ve analyzed 32,000 Y chromosomes in ultra-high resolution. This has allowed us to identify hundreds of thousands of unique Y chromosome mutations. These mutations are the building blocks of the Y-DNA Haplotree. This is also known as the great family tree of all paternal lineages in the world.

Mutations can sound scary. However, the genealogically relevant parts of the Y chromosome contain very few genes. It’s very unlikely that these mutations, or “variants”, have medical implications.

The Y chromosome is passed down mostly unchanged from father to son. Small mutations occur randomly every few generations. It’s then passed down to all direct male descendants. Because of this, the genetic signature of every Y chromosome can be scanned to detect the paternal lineage. This all goes back to one man. The common paternal ancestor of all humanity. Commonly called Y-chromosomal Adam, he lived in Africa between 200,000 and 300,000 years ago.

Recent Breakthroughs

Earlier this year, we announced an enhanced chemistry formula for Big Y. Big Y-700 provides even greater coverage of the Y chromosome. This allows us to detect even more mutations. As a result, all branches of the great tree of mankind are becoming further refined.

The human Y chromosome contains about 56 million positions or base pairs. Of them, roughly 23 million base pairs (40%) are useful for phylogenetic analysis. In these 23 million positions, we’ve detected over 500,000 unique mutations in the total 32,000 Big Y testers. Our phylogenetic specialists work hard on refining the Haplotree as new results arrive. In May 2019, we passed 20,000 branches. The branches are defined by over 150,000 unique mutations. This makes our Haplotree the largest and most detailed phylogenetic tree of mankind in the world.

Quick View of the Y-DNA Haplotree and Block Tree.

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More than:

    32,000 ultra high-resolution Y chromosome sequences from across the world
    500,000 Y chromosome variants found
    150,000 of those variants form the building blocks of the tree of mankind
    20,000 branches on the tree and growing at an extraordinary rate

Testing with FamilyTreeDNA

Testing Big Y with us will give information about your detailed placement on the tree of mankind. This will then help further build the tree. Testing will also expand our knowledge of our origins. Your results will help trace back to the earliest written records and beyond.

We will assign your unique mutations their own variant names. When another test result arrives that shares one or more of your novel variants, their place on the tree of mankind will be determined. We will then expand or refine your tree to reflect your paternal lineage. It’s possible a paternal cousin of yours has already tested, waiting for your lines to connect!

Females don’t inherit a Y chromosome. But, if you’re female, you can still explore your paternal line by asking a brother or uncle to take the test. Males carry the Y chromosome of their father’s father. This is the line that will be explored in your results. If you’re curious about your other lineages, you can ask a male relative, such as a maternal uncle, to take a Y-DNA test.

We also offer an exclusive full sequence mitochondrial DNA test. mtFull Sequence traces your deep maternal lineage. Both men and women are eligible. It compares your mtDNA to 170,000 other participants. We’ll always use the highest possible resolution. Everyone’s maternal lineages all trace back to our one common ancestor. Commonly called Mitochondrial Eve, she lived in Africa more than 100,000 years ago.

The paternal and maternal trees of humanity are available here:

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« Reply #328 on: July 19, 2019, 01:53:32 pm »
DNA is a huge and highly complex subject.

My only caution concerns "autosomal" region predictions. IOW the ones that say 70%  Scottish, etc.

Without in depth study of DNA, the history of a region, a person can be misled about such results.


Some folks like the notion, that Scottish are Celts, with plaid skirts, and bagpipes. Others like the idea the Scots are more ike the English all proper and educated. Finally others know that Scotland was also populated by the Norse, in from 'a-Viking'.

Just sayin

I believe the cousin matches are very solid. Every time my sister and I have received these hints or tips, they turned out to be solid.
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« Reply #329 on: July 19, 2019, 02:05:44 pm »
DNA is a huge and highly complex subject.


I believe the cousin matches are very solid. Every time my sister and I have received these hints or tips, they turned out to be solid.

You must be very industrious or very lucky in your cousin matches confirmation.

I did my autosomal testing with FTDNA and they show over 5000 matches for me. I have researched and mapped about a dozen so far into my family tree.

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« Reply #330 on: November 02, 2019, 11:14:34 pm »
You must be very industrious or very lucky in your cousin matches confirmation.

I did my autosomal testing with FTDNA and they show over 5000 matches for me. I have researched and mapped about a dozen so far into my family tree.

The matches are from Ancestry.com tests of my sister and my mother.

Total is around 4-5, but when wegot the particulrs, wewent through my paper-pedigree trees, and confirmed the relationships.

20 years hile working on pedigrees, I regularly got help from Sweden, and Canada. 
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« Reply #331 on: November 02, 2019, 11:18:07 pm »
Just a few weeks ago, Ancestry added a significant increment, to their "reference samples."

These are the DNA profiles, of the people in the regions which they maake Yur Estimate.

IOW more old bones, of more people.

I don't know any more details, except that people's Origin Estimeates," have quitea bit.

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« Reply #332 on: November 02, 2019, 11:23:19 pm »
Do any of these actually give you a family tree? Or do they just tell you a general region where you might be from?
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« Reply #333 on: November 03, 2019, 06:47:42 am »
The only people they could include in a tree would be ones that had their DNA tested and the results are in their data base.

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« Reply #334 on: November 03, 2019, 07:44:54 am »
Do any of these actually give you a family tree? Or do they just tell you a general region where you might be from?
My ancestry.com DNA summary looked like this:
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England, Wales & Northwestern Europe
Primarily located in: England, Scotland, Wales
Your ethnicity estimate is 84%, but it can range from 77-100%

Ireland & Scotland
Primarily located in: Ireland, Wales, Scotland
Your ethnicity estimate is 14%, but it can range from 0-14%

Germanic Europe
Primarily located in: Germany
Your ethnicity estimate is 2%, but it can range from 0-31%
Once I started inputting the names I already had - grandparents, great-grandparents - the website gave me hints of the research other people already had done. You can see that the ethnicity ranges are quite broad. For example, I know through genealogical research there are Germans and Alsatians on my father's side (already visited a few of their home villages) and am reasonably certain of some Scandinavians. Whether that meanns my "Germanic" roots are 2% or something greater remains to be determined.

At ancestry.com, you start creating your own family tree with the names you have. Then you plug in new names and new details as they become available. Interesting thing about my father's side is that I didn't even know his grandparents' names. Before creating the ancestry account I did some research at an area university's library and got the names of great-gf and great-great-gf. Once on ancestry, I went farther and found names in both my grandfather's and grandmother's lineage - and discovered that an 8x-great-grandmother was hanged in Salem, Mass., accused of being a witch.  :whistle:
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« Reply #335 on: November 03, 2019, 08:39:29 am »
My ancestry.com DNA summary looked like this:Once I started inputting the names I already had - grandparents, great-grandparents - the website gave me hints of the research other people already had done. You can see that the ethnicity ranges are quite broad. For example, I know through genealogical research there are Germans and Alsatians on my father's side (already visited a few of their home villages) and am reasonably certain of some Scandinavians. Whether that meanns my "Germanic" roots are 2% or something greater remains to be determined.

At ancestry.com, you start creating your own family tree with the names you have. Then you plug in new names and new details as they become available. Interesting thing about my father's side is that I didn't even know his grandparents' names. Before creating the ancestry account I did some research at an area university's library and got the names of great-gf and great-great-gf. Once on ancestry, I went father and found names in both my grandfather's and grandmother's lineage - and discovered that an 8x-great-grandmother was hanged in Salem, Mass., accused of being a witch.  :whistle:

Lol. Wow! Very interesting. I think I may give this a shot
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By Isabel Vincent
November 2, 2019

It was the line about her birth mother being “a strong and expert swimmer” that stopped Donna Freed cold.

In 2010, Freed, a London radio journalist, was reading a five-page, bare-bones report that she had obtained about her biological mother from a Manhattan adoption agency. It described the unnamed woman who had given her up as an infant in the vaguest of terms: “A 27-year-old, Caucasian, Jewish, single female” who lived on the Eastern Seaboard and worked at an advertising firm.

Oh, and she was a good swimmer. ...
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« Reply #337 on: January 16, 2020, 05:14:55 am »
Well my DNA results on Ancestry was updated.  It said that 3% of my DNA came from Sweden.  I kinda question the results. Far as I know, I don't have any ancestors from Sweden. Distant yes, when they raided England and the rest of Europe.
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« Reply #338 on: January 16, 2020, 09:43:59 am »
Well my DNA results on Ancestry was updated.  It said that 3% of my DNA came from Sweden.  I kinda question the results. Far as I know, I don't have any ancestors from Sweden. Distant yes, when they raided England and the rest of Europe.

Same here with Norway/Sweden.  Have spent the past two years via a collaborative effort getting absolutely everything in my tree back to Plantagenet time.  Pretty much everyone with a tiny few exceptions are from  England, Scotland, and Ireland.  Have come to the conclusion that 5%-15% Norway and Sweden  origin is for the same reason you state above. Plus no reason to doubt it since Scandavian origin shows up in all three companies I have tested. (Ancestry, FTDNA, and 23/Me)
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« Reply #339 on: January 16, 2020, 09:55:20 am »
Mine is now:

England, Wales & Northwestern Europe 63%

Ireland & Scotland  27%

Sweden  8%

France  2%

Didn't change all that much from the previous estimate.

I am particularly liking the TRULINES feature at Ancestry which tells you exactly HOW you are related to your DNA matches.  (I have thousands of them)
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« Reply #340 on: January 16, 2020, 10:17:52 am »
I believe some of the Scandinavians in my background were Viking sailors who ended up in Scotland.
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« Reply #341 on: January 16, 2020, 10:56:24 am »
Same here with Norway/Sweden.  Have spent the past two years via a collaborative effort getting absolutely everything in my tree back to Plantagenet time.  Pretty much everyone with a tiny few exceptions are from  England, Scotland, and Ireland.  Have come to the conclusion that 5%-15% Norway and Sweden  origin is for the same reason you state above. Plus no reason to doubt it since Scandavian origin shows up in all three companies I have tested. (Ancestry, FTDNA, and 23/Me)


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The problem I have with this is the following is that my mothers grandparents came from what used to be the Kingdom of Württemberg. That is why I kinda question it. 
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« Reply #342 on: January 16, 2020, 11:02:05 am »

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The problem I have with this is the following is that my mothers grandparents came from what used to be the Kingdom of Württemberg. That is why I kinda question it. 

That's German, correct?  If that's your mother's grandparents, that's only 12.5% of your total genetic makeup.  How about the 87.5%.  Not really following why you wouldn't think 3% Scandanavian might not have come from other areas.
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« Reply #343 on: January 16, 2020, 11:21:41 am »
My fatherline DNA is the Haplogroup which in located in central Sweden.I1.

Paper genealogy coincides this, with at least four male generations, in that location as well.

I never tested with Ancestry, but my sister di, and hers says Scandinavia.

I tested with Living DNA, a British firm and they assigned to me, no Scandinavian ancesters.

If dead bones with DNA markers are found in England, or in Norway, it changes the region prediction by the DNA company.

I know that Anccestry recently made majoor changes.

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« Reply #344 on: January 16, 2020, 12:03:01 pm »
That's German, correct?  If that's your mother's grandparents, that's only 12.5% of your total genetic makeup.  How about the 87.5%.  Not really following why you wouldn't think 3% Scandanavian might not have come from other areas.


That is German correct..  Here is how Ancestry DNA broke it down for me:


Ireland & Scotland 53%
England, Wales, & Northwestern Europe (Which includes Normandy and Brittany) 44%
Sweden 3%
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The underlying science is fine, but the commercial product is less certain.

Been with Ancestry dna and FTDNA since about '07.  23/Me in the past year.  Through the years the percentages have shifted greatly.  Some were out of the blue addtions or deletions, others re-configuation of geographical areas.  I still think the Science is evolving a lot more than understood.
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« Reply #346 on: January 16, 2020, 12:15:15 pm »

That is German correct..  Here is how Ancestry DNA broke it down for me:


Ireland & Scotland 53%
England, Wales, & Northwestern Europe (Which includes Normandy and Brittany) 44%
Sweden 3%

Here's an article from Ancestry around this issue.  Data showing all areas of the UK have signifiant (average) concentration of Scandinavian ancestry.  Seems the genetic makeup of Viking invaders of the 8th-10th century is ubiquitous in all of our testing.

https://www.ancestry.com/corporate/international/press-releases/DNA-of-the-nation-revealedand-were-not-as-British-as-we-think
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« Reply #347 on: January 16, 2020, 01:08:03 pm »
Maybe the biggest argument I have gotten into with distant cousins was that we had Cherokee ancestry and they diverted  that sect into Northern Arkansas on the way to OK on the Trail of Tears.  Then I got my Ancestry and FTDNA results:

Ancestry - 53% Great Britain  23% Ireland  18% Scandinavia  5% Iberian Peninsula  <1% Both Eastern and Western Europe   = 100% European
FTDNA- 45% British Isle 37% Western and Central Europe  11% Scandinavia 7% Finland = 100% European

Still the lady screams this stuff was voodoo.  Some people just don't want family history messed with.  In my case, the bigger shock for me, is that even though I have traced 95% of family at least into the 1700's, there are no Scandinavian surnames present.  Guess about 1 in 5 of my ancestors were plundering Vikings.

I think the discrepancy of the Central and Western Europe may be migration timing.  Not absolutely sure.

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I'll tell ya what is at the root of the discrepancy thing,the polite fiction of today that there was no fooling around in ancient times. NOTHING could be further from the truth. Even primitive tribes knew the danger of inbreeding,and went to war against neighboring tribes purely to steal a few women and children to strengthen their bloodlines and keep them from inbreeding idiots.

On top of that,EVERY form of work was labor back then,and families needed lots of child labor to make ends meet. That was one reason families were so large. Another reason is there was no such thing as retirement checks coming in back then,and there is a limit on how long the typical human can do stoop labor. Add to that what passed for medical practices back then and the fact that people rarely washed in cold weather and all lived huddled up like rats in tiny shelters,losing children and old people from diseases was a common occurrence.

Also,for people living in rural areas with few neighbors to help thicken the gene pool,traveling strangers and salesmen were welcomed to spend the night with the woman or the house.  Once again,to add to the gene pool to make the children stronger,healthier,and even smarter.

Eskimos still admit this happened in their tribes,but Christian Europeans,not so much. It DID happen though,and was fairly common.

Hell,if it HADN'T happened chances are we would have died out a long time ago.
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« Reply #348 on: January 16, 2020, 01:40:42 pm »
May have mentioned this before, but one of the key things I took from my ancestry.com DNA analysis is that I am 100% Western European.

This amuses me, because my Marxist idiot worthless assh*** older brother insists he's 1/12 Shawnee. Uh, no. It doesn't work that way. We have the same parents, and he can't be 1/12 injun when I'm 100% Euro.
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« Reply #349 on: January 16, 2020, 01:52:41 pm »
May have mentioned this before, but one of the key things I took from my ancestry.com DNA analysis is that I am 100% Western European.

This amuses me, because my Marxist idiot worthless assh*** older brother insists he's 1/12 Shawnee. Uh, no. It doesn't work that way. We have the same parents, and he can't be 1/12 injun when I'm 100% Euro.

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Piss him off by offering to pay for his dna test.

I am 1/4 Tuscorara,and it doesn't mean a damn thing other that serve as a curiosity.
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