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« Reply #200 on: February 28, 2018, 05:37:45 pm »
Using a dna sample from www.livingdna.com

mt-DNA = U5a1a1c (motherline-very ancient)



Y-DNA = I1a1b (fatherline-very ancient)



Autosomal DNA Origins per www.livingdna.com (very recent British Isles Centric)

Great Britain/Ireland 91%
North/West Europe     4%
Europe East               3%
Europe South             2%

Autosomal DNA Origins per www.gedmatch.com Eurogenes  various algorithms (more ancient)

North Atlantic 60.31 (Britain, Ireland, Germany, France)
South Baltic 15.55 (Scandinavia)
Volga-Ural 5.46 (Russia/Ukraine- Swedish Scandinavians went into this region apparently brought back women)
   subtotal about 82%

Mediterranean 11.60 (Northern Italy, Basque, Spain, Portugal - probably tied to Celtiberians that migrated into Britain/Ireland)   
Caucasus 5.79 (SE Europe big ?)

(One very big variable the DNA just hint at, is the migration for Ice Age advances, retreats--if the DNA origin methodology has samples which are that ancient)

   
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« Reply #201 on: February 28, 2018, 07:42:02 pm »
Using a dna sample from www.livingdna.com

mt-DNA = U5a1a1c (motherline-very ancient)



Y-DNA = I1a1b (fatherline-very ancient)



Autosomal DNA Origins per www.livingdna.com (very recent British Isles Centric)

Great Britain/Ireland 91%
North/West Europe     4%
Europe East               3%
Europe South             2%

Autosomal DNA Origins per www.gedmatch.com Eurogenes  various algorithms (more ancient)

North Atlantic 60.31 (Britain, Ireland, Germany, France)
South Baltic 15.55 (Scandinavia)
Volga-Ural 5.46 (Russia/Ukraine- Swedish Scandinavians went into this region apparently brought back women)
   subtotal about 82%

Mediterranean 11.60 (Northern Italy, Basque, Spain, Portugal - probably tied to Celtiberians that migrated into Britain/Ireland)   
Caucasus 5.79 (SE Europe big ?)

(One very big variable the DNA just hint at, is the migration for Ice Age advances, retreats--if the DNA origin methodology has samples which are that ancient)

 

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There are so many DNA dot coms out there.  I want to do them all just for the fun of it.  I wonder if any really contradict each other?

I think i will start with yours, Bigun, the MyHeritage.com.

Truth, yours is outrageous!  Amazing what you can find out from these, I suspect, scientists.  Ice Age?  Holy Moley! 

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« Reply #202 on: February 28, 2018, 07:55:46 pm »
I tell ya....... my people went EVERYWHERE.  :laugh:

Seriously - the Swedish Vikings went east to present day Russia, and many settled there.  The Norwegian Vikings went west and clearly spread their seed all over Great Britain as they went.

It's not surprising that most people with European ancestry have some Scandinavian in the mix.

I seriously need to go back farther with my ancestry.  I know that everyone was living in Sweden, or one grandmother in the Swedish part of Finland, as far back as the 18th century, but I haven't gone back any farther than that, and need to do that.

(My brown eyes came from somewhere! LOL!)

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Truly. From the North American shore to the Mediterannean to the Caspian Sea and back to the Baltics, and everything in between. I have Viking blood due to their conquest of Normandy.
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« Reply #203 on: February 28, 2018, 08:44:55 pm »
@Bigun

There are so many DNA dot coms out there.  I want to do them all just for the fun of it.  I wonder if any really contradict each other?

I think i will start with yours, Bigun, the MyHeritage.com.

Truth, yours is outrageous!  Amazing what you can find out from these, I suspect, scientists.  Ice Age?  Holy Moley! 

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I still think the best of the lot is http://www.FTDNA.com
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« Reply #204 on: February 28, 2018, 08:55:04 pm »
My ancestry might include King Olaf or Ragnar Lothbrook, but most likely I'm only related to the famous comedy team, Sven and Ollie.  :dx1:


My Viking ancestry came way when they raped and pillaged the UK many moons ago.
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« Reply #205 on: February 28, 2018, 08:58:28 pm »

My Viking ancestry came way when they raped and pillaged the UK many moons ago.

Yeah............. that happened to a lot of you British Isle folks.  (I'm quite sure my ancestors were at home farming, so I don't think we're related.  ^-^)
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« Reply #206 on: February 28, 2018, 09:02:36 pm »
Yeah............. that happened to a lot of you British Isle folks.  (I'm quite sure my ancestors were at home farming, so I don't think we're related.  ^-^ )


LOL!!!


All I know is that my ancestors came from Wales, Scotland, England, N Ireland, Ireland, and Germany.  But I do have a very distant Italian Ancestor who fought with William when he invaded England.
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« Reply #207 on: March 01, 2018, 08:45:47 am »
@Slip18

I still think the best of the lot is http://www.FTDNA.com

Okie-dokie!   Thanks!  You know a heck of a lot more than I do.  Perhaps I may find someone other than a hog farmer, ya think?   LOL!


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« Reply #208 on: March 01, 2018, 08:49:27 am »
I spread my DNA everywhere I could, back when I was a kid....

But you won't even do the spit Ancestry test.  You may have some great family lineage other than P.T. Barnum. 

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« Reply #209 on: March 01, 2018, 10:10:32 am »
@Slip18

I still think the best of the lot is http://www.FTDNA.com

These are the three areas you can have tested at FTDNA:

    Family Finder
    Y-DNA
    mtDNA

So being a female of this wonderful species, would I have to use one of my brothers to do the Y-DNA and the mtDNA? 

I will do the Family Finder within the next few days.  Too much fun going on here!  LOL!

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« Reply #210 on: March 01, 2018, 10:31:20 am »
These are the three areas you can have tested at FTDNA:

    Family Finder
    Y-DNA
    mtDNA

So being a female of this wonderful species, would I have to use one of my brothers to do the Y-DNA and the mtDNA? 

I will do the Family Finder within the next few days.  Too much fun going on here!  LOL!

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Yes! One of your brothers would be perfect for a Y test and that test can tract your father's line back a LONG ways!
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« Reply #211 on: March 01, 2018, 10:50:22 am »

All I know is that my ancestors came from Wales, Scotland, England, N Ireland, Ireland, and Germany.  But I do have a very distant Italian Ancestor who fought with William when he invaded England.

But in each case for DNA purposes, before they arrived in those places (cultures, locations, nations) they had traveled from somewhere else, in many/most cases. (example the Welsh likely came across from Brittany-hence the shared languages of "Breton" and "Welsh.")

Taking Britain, there were some earliest "indigenous" people of Britain (pre-Celts?). Then came Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Jutes, Frisians, Belgians, Norse, others etc.

Or take southern Italy for another case. Etruscans, Greeks, Romans, Normans, muslims, Spaniards, etc. Likewise Spain.

But even predating those migrations, the first people advanced then retreated with changes in climate, e.g. Ice Age.

I still have the open question of when in migratory history, these father-mother Haplogroups were established?

They dug up a lot of bodies in Britain, of people descended from Norse, and one company (livingdna.com) calls them UK, and another (ancestry.com) calls them Scandinavian.

The site gedmatch.com offers several additional algorithms to classfy DNA with different labels, like "Atlantic," "Baltic," and "Mediterranean" etc. for instance.

Finally DNA science is advancing rapidly. They are using stem cells now, to treat cancer. There are large scientific firms, dedicated to medicine, not genealogy as a hobby for where Grandpa Eric's family came from?
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« Reply #212 on: March 02, 2018, 10:42:55 pm »
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« Reply #213 on: March 03, 2018, 01:49:01 am »
@truth_seeker

I can actually read and understand that map.  Is that what you get when you have the Y-DNA and the mtDNA completed? 

The one I have from Ancestry is really kind of boring.  A swath from Ireland through England and North France and Germany.  Then it bunches up in Denmark, Norway and Sweden.

You have a far more interesting one.

I wonder what one would look like from a Japanese purebred?  Some of the islands are still in dispute with Russia, but I am sure you knew that.  Huh?  Would it just show the islands?  Curiosity killed the cat...


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« Reply #214 on: March 03, 2018, 11:08:00 am »
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I am not sure which map you are referring to.
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« Reply #216 on: March 03, 2018, 04:56:37 pm »
This one!

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I have seen that one in several variations, showing the routes Vikings took in their "golden era."

Danes to England, Ireland, France etc. Norwegians to Iceland, Greenland, America, plus to England, Ireland, France etc.

And Norse all around into the Atlantic route into the Mediterranean, to Italy for instance. (Relatives of William the Conqueror ruling southern Italy for generations) 

Finally Swedes eastward into Russia and beyond, giving rise to the Kievan Rus culture.



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« Reply #217 on: March 05, 2018, 10:43:06 pm »
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« Reply #218 on: March 06, 2018, 12:04:40 pm »
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« Reply #219 on: March 07, 2018, 08:02:12 am »
@Slip 18

I have seen that one in several variations, showing the routes Vikings took in their "golden era."

Danes to England, Ireland, France etc. Norwegians to Iceland, Greenland, America, plus to England, Ireland, France etc.

And Norse all around into the Atlantic route into the Mediterranean, to Italy for instance. (Relatives of William the Conqueror ruling southern Italy for generations) 

Finally Swedes eastward into Russia and beyond, giving rise to the Kievan Rus culture.



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Thanks, Truth.  I do love old maps and globes!  It shows how migration "could" have happened.  My little map from Ancestry has a much smaller swath.  Those Vikings sure did a bit of damage throughout Northern Europe.  I suppose the reason is they had to be good or great sailors.  They got around, just like the Beach Boys.

Trying to be funny which doesn't usually work for me.  LOL!

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« Reply #220 on: March 07, 2018, 08:08:29 am »
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Here's a link that explains the "removed" thing genealogy buffs must deal with.

https://www.simplemost.com/difference-second-cousins-cousins-removed/?utm_campaign=geek&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=partner&utm_partner=geek

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« Reply #221 on: March 11, 2018, 08:37:30 am »
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At the Court of the Byzantine emperor (in Constantinople) when he hired Vikings as House Guard/Mercenaries, one of them got bored on duty and left posterity a note.

It can still be seen today.

In a stone railing overlooking the open square he got busy with his knife and carved runes into the stone.

They read "Halfdan Carved These Runes" (Halfdan means half-Dane)

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On names;

Even Tolkein lifted Gandalf from an old Viking poem.

It's part of a listing of names (called a thular)

Gandalf means 'Sorcerer Elf'.
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« Reply #222 on: March 11, 2018, 10:07:07 am »
They read "Halfdan Carved These Runes" (Halfdan means half-Dane)

Ive seen pix of that. Amazing.

So far from home. Though it speaks to their prowess!
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« Reply #223 on: March 11, 2018, 02:25:03 pm »
I tell ya....... my people went EVERYWHERE.  :laugh:

Seriously - the Swedish Vikings went east to present day Russia, and many settled there.  The Norwegian Vikings went west and clearly spread their seed all over Great Britain as they went.

It's not surprising that most people with European ancestry have some Scandinavian in the mix.

I seriously need to go back farther with my ancestry.  I know that everyone was living in Sweden, or one grandmother in the Swedish part of Finland, as far back as the 18th century, but I haven't gone back any farther than that, and need to do that.

(My brown eyes came from somewhere! LOL!)

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It was more than just being invaded and over run by those damn Northerners that kept the pot boiling between the Angles/Saxons and the Norse.

One of the oldest, and bitterest points of contention in all human history.

The women in the British Isles preferred the Viking men to their own, because the Vikings Smelled Better!

It was too Cold in Scandinavia to live covered in dried sweat.

Vikings knew it would kill them, so they bathed and steamed themselves more often.

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« Reply #224 on: March 11, 2018, 02:55:17 pm »

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It was more than just being invaded and over run by those damn Northerners that kept the pot boiling between the Angles/Saxons and the Norse.

One of the oldest, and bitterest points of contention in all human history.

The women in the British Isles preferred the Viking men to their own, because the Vikings Smelled Better!

It was too Cold in Scandinavia to live covered in dried sweat.

Vikings knew it would kill them, so they bathed and steamed themselves more often.

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That is a beautiful fun fact to tell the family!

Women prefer Norsemen because they smell better!   :laugh:
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« Reply #225 on: March 12, 2018, 03:20:07 pm »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #226 on: March 13, 2018, 02:56:19 pm »
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« Reply #227 on: March 16, 2018, 05:15:55 pm »
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That was pretty confusing for me in there.  I am not ready for all the relatives yet.  I am going to get my DNA done by them.  It will be interesting to see if Ancestry's is different.

I have so many relatives on my mom's side.  Every family in the early 1900s had ten kids or more.  Amazing feat unto itself, I would say.  LOL!
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« Reply #228 on: March 16, 2018, 05:27:32 pm »
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That was pretty confusing for me in there.  I am not ready for all the relatives yet.  I am going to get my DNA done by them.  It will be interesting to see if Ancestry's is different.

I have so many relatives on my mom's side.  Every family in the early 1900s had ten kids or more.  Amazing feat unto itself, I would say.  LOL!

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LOL!  I hear ya! 

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« Reply #229 on: March 16, 2018, 05:48:33 pm »
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LOL!  I hear ya! 

BTW, the deal ends Sunday.

I checked everything out today.  I just may get both done.  Bank needs a little more breaking.  LOL!
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« Reply #230 on: March 28, 2018, 10:54:31 pm »
On my phone.

Up to 40 percent of DNA results from consumer genetic tests might be bogus
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« Reply #232 on: March 28, 2018, 11:26:56 pm »
On my phone.

Up to 40 percent of DNA results from consumer genetic tests might be bogus
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Re: Genealogy - Getting to Know your Heritage
« Reply #233 on: March 28, 2018, 11:39:07 pm »
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I think I remember addressing this, at least to some degree, a few weeks ago here.

@Bigun, this study was just published this past week: https://www.nature.com/articles/gim201838  I think it's more support for caution.
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Re: Genealogy - Getting to Know your Heritage
« Reply #234 on: March 28, 2018, 11:41:16 pm »
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That was pretty confusing for me in there.  I am not ready for all the relatives yet.  I am going to get my DNA done by them.  It will be interesting to see if Ancestry's is different.

I have so many relatives on my mom's side.  Every family in the early 1900s had ten kids or more.  Amazing feat unto itself, I would say.  LOL!


Might be a savvy business move.

When the Dems take over again they'll find some way to make it a criminal offense to hire white people until every POC is offered the job first.

Be good insurance to have a non white ancestor or two on paper.


Look at what the inheritors of the Nelson Mandela Legacy in South Africa just pulled.
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« Reply #235 on: March 29, 2018, 12:07:59 am »
I did the Family Matches test from Family Tree. They show over 4000 matches for me. I have been contacted three times about possible family connections. The first, he turned out to be my third Cousin via a 3rd Great Grandfather born 1803.  The Second, it appears we are connected via a 3rd Great Grandfather born 1769. The Third, it looks liked we are connected via a 4th Great Grandfather, born 1736. Oh, and it also said I was matched with my son who had his DNA tested before me.

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« Reply #236 on: March 29, 2018, 12:23:35 am »
My sister and I have done three tests by three companies.

All of them confirmed paper family tree pedigrees, as well as relative matches.

It is a very new science, but I have no reason to challenge the "truthfulness" of the results.

Interpreting results, with origin estimates, is different. Before making a lot from origins, dig in and understand the method, what it is etc.

 
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« Reply #237 on: March 29, 2018, 04:41:55 am »
I did the Family Matches test from Family Tree. They show over 4000 matches for me. I have been contacted three times about possible family connections. The first, he turned out to be my third Cousin via a 3rd Great Grandfather born 1803.  The Second, it appears we are connected via a 3rd Great Grandfather born 1769. The Third, it looks liked we are connected via a 4th Great Grandfather, born 1736. Oh, and it also said I was matched with my son who had his DNA tested before me.

Same here. I have been able to verify 3 or 4 line extensions (and brick walls) due to dna matching.  Yeah, there may be some false positives, and I tag those accordingly.  OTOH..   to discredit the whole process due to the that "few" is stretch.  Flinging darts is no substitute for using good collaborative triangulative deductive technique.   
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« Reply #238 on: March 29, 2018, 09:31:59 am »
My sister and I have done three tests by three companies.

All of them confirmed paper family tree pedigrees, as well as relative matches.

It is a very new science, but I have no reason to challenge the "truthfulness" of the results.

Interpreting results, with origin estimates, is different. Before making a lot from origins, dig in and understand the method, what it is etc.

@truth_seeker 

That has been my experience as well.  I used Family Tree, My Heritage, and Ancestry.  and they all agree right down the line. Confirmed what we had on paper long ago.
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« Reply #239 on: March 29, 2018, 09:48:30 am »
@truth_seeker 

That has been my experience as well.  I used Family Tree, My Heritage, and Ancestry.  and they all agree right down the line. Confirmed what we had on paper long ago.

My descent numbers were pretty close too.  In fact, if users read the fine print, cpmpanies state that there are ranges involved    They are also are very up front to state these are approximations.   Why some Briefers want to sling mud at what has become a good genealogical tool is beyond me.
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« Reply #240 on: March 29, 2018, 09:53:14 am »
My descent numbers were pretty close too.  In fact, if users read the fine print, cpmpanies state that there are ranges involved    They are also are very up front to state these are approximations.   Why some Briefers want to sling mud at what has become a good genealogical tool is beyond me.

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My only criticism has been toward the fact that SOME of the people who sell these services - 23 & Me for one example - are somewhat less than careful about how they handle individual DNA samples and thus allow mixing to occur.  Or, at least, such has been recently reported.
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« Reply #241 on: March 29, 2018, 11:19:06 pm »
I have decided I have descended from cats.


Seriously though still on the fence about finding my ancestors so for now I want to be descended from cats.
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« Reply #242 on: April 07, 2018, 07:31:14 pm »
Having found an ancestor from the Alsace region, Mr. M and I are planning a trip to see the family's hometown. I came across an interesting account of their voyage to America in 1733. Here's a snippet:
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The eleven families (62 individuals) from the Mattstall area ... had about twenty miles to go to reach the Rhine river. Here they got on a boat going to Rotterdam, Holland—about 350 miles. They left Mattstall about the end of April. Rotterdam would be reached by the middle of May.

The first task was to locate the ship SAMUEL and its master. Hugh Percy. They checked in and stored their luggage in the hold. They bought butter, cheese, and smoked fish. The 291 passengers set sail for Deal, England, near Dover. Here they took on more provisions and crewmembers.

The ship was about 140 x 30 x 15. Sleeping quarters were below deck—for families, for single men, for single women. Each person had a space about 6 x 2 feet, with 5 feet for headroom. There was little privacy. The crewmembers had their own quarters. There was a cabin for the captain. He had promised to supply water, flour, some dried meat and peas, as well as cheese. It took a lot of food to feed 291 people plus crew for three months. On the voyage there would be births, deaths, and illnesses. Likely Christina Ensminger and Ursula Haller were among the children who died.

The trip was hardest on the very young. There was no milk or fruit or green vegetables. It was hard for the old folks, too. ...

Daily prayers were held, with church services on Sundays. The men walked on deck. The women cooked and cleaned and tried to keep the little ones from falling overboard. The older children were a great help. The old told stories to the young. Soon they were out on the broad Atlantic. The captain said the 4000-mile trip to Philadelphia would take about three months, if the winds were favorable. The ship would go south about 1000 miles to the Canaries, then pick up trade winds to carry it across the Atlantic.

Wind and rainstorms made the going rough. The families took turns cooking on the iron grates. At night the cries of the young, the moans of the ill, the groans of the old could be heard. When the wind roared, the boat creaked, the waves splashed. Then one day land was sighted – America – green fields and houses.

Friday morning, August 17th, the ship anchored at Philadelphia. This was the first of seven ships to arrive in 1733. The captain turned in his list of 90 names—men over 16. The men had to go to the courthouse and take the oath of allegiance and the oath of abjuration—denying the right of a Pretender.
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« Reply #243 on: April 07, 2018, 07:54:40 pm »
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Fantastic!   Hope you have a GREAT TIME!
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« Reply #244 on: April 07, 2018, 08:12:34 pm »
Thanks, Bigun. We probably won't go until next year, though, so there's lots of time to do more research and planning.
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« Reply #245 on: April 17, 2018, 03:22:33 pm »
After taking my Family Finder autosomal DNA test, I saw they had more and more and more tests. So I took a Y-DNA test and it came back that I belonged to this Clan, R-M269. But then I saw that they only predicted I belonged. I thought it must be like the gang bangers that roam the neighborhood. What kinda test was I to go through to prove I belong in their Clan? Then I discovered it was kinda like extortion. It was called another  kinda test though. So I thought, why not? I've not been much of a joiner. Joined the NAVY. Joined the NRA. Joined this fine place. So why not join a Clan? So I paid the extortion money and waited patiently for my Clan acceptance. I got my results a couple days ago. And Clan R-M269 kicked me out! They threw me out and down to a Lower Class Clan called R-S6881. I was told though that they accepted me and I didn't have to prove I belonged. I'll have to find out where the Clan meetings are. That Clan name, R-S6881 sure don't roll off your tongue worth a damn.

They sure don't name Clans like they did in the ole days.

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« Reply #246 on: April 17, 2018, 04:02:57 pm »
After taking my Family Finder autosomal DNA test, I saw they had more and more and more tests. So I took a Y-DNA test and it came back that I belonged to this Clan, R-M269. But then I saw that they only predicted I belonged. I thought it must be like the gang bangers that roam the neighborhood. What kinda test was I to go through to prove I belong in their Clan? Then I discovered it was kinda like extortion. It was called another  kinda test though. So I thought, why not? I've not been much of a joiner. Joined the NAVY. Joined the NRA. Joined this fine place. So why not join a Clan? So I paid the extortion money and waited patiently for my Clan acceptance. I got my results a couple days ago. And Clan R-M269 kicked me out! They threw me out and down to a Lower Class Clan called R-S6881. I was told though that they accepted me and I didn't have to prove I belonged. I'll have to find out where the Clan meetings are. That Clan name, R-S6881 sure don't roll off your tongue worth a damn.

They sure don't name Clans like they did in the ole days.

I hope there's more explanation on that....

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« Reply #247 on: April 17, 2018, 04:13:28 pm »
I hope there's more explanation on that....

I'll let you know after I attend my first Clan-R-S6881 meeting.

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« Reply #248 on: April 17, 2018, 04:18:43 pm »
I'll let you know after I attend my first Clan-R-S6881 meeting.

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« Reply #249 on: April 17, 2018, 04:23:50 pm »
AllI know so far is some history:

S6881 seems to have more of a concentration in the British Isles, but its parent FGC11780 doesn't have the same bias. So we can say that the migration to Great Britain happened after S6881 formed (184 AD — 1082 AD).

A11376 and A11377 seem to have a distinct location in western central England, and probably both arose there sometime in the period 629 AD — 1336 AD.

So we're maybe looking at a migration of this group from Germany or nearby to the west of England at some point around the "Anglo-Saxon" or Norman migrations.