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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #125 on: May 27, 2016, 02:26:09 pm »
What tools does he have to fire employees in violation of civil service protections?  He'll fire them, then file a grievance, and get reinstated with back pay, backed up by court order if necessary.  Exactly how is he going to stop that with "guts and balls"?

By getting them to self-fire by putting them in the worst jobs he can find. 

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« Reply #126 on: May 27, 2016, 02:29:12 pm »
How will Gingrich or Sessions change those laws?

Look, I'd love to see government civil service protections dumped.  But the resistance in Congress to that would make the pro-choice movement seem like a bunch of pushovers.
How?
Well lets look at one just one possibility...
If Trump wins the General that will mean there is a massive number of Americans (majority of voters) that are supporting his proposals including Nationalism, stopping Cronyism, deregulating energy and other laws that handicap workers/employers, etc. That means that a large part of those running who survive to win down ticket will have to be appearing to support such proposals. Which means he very well could have a large block of supporters in Congress and the Senate when he gets in office. We already see many of them bending at the knee....

I suspect there will be much less resistance to his "suggestions"  then is assumed now.
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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #127 on: May 27, 2016, 02:30:05 pm »
By getting them to self-fire by putting them in the worst jobs he can find.

LMAO!!!  You don't work around the government much, do you?  If so... you'd know better.

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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #128 on: May 27, 2016, 02:31:01 pm »
By getting them to self-fire by putting them in the worst jobs he can find.

Bill? You can't Poe for shit, so knock it off please. Look, you can't just leap into Poeing if you have a history attached. You have to lead into it gradually, being convinced almost against your will.

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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #129 on: May 27, 2016, 02:36:27 pm »
How?
Well lets look at one just one possibility...
If Trump wins the General that will mean there is a massive number of Americans (majority of voters) that are supporting his proposals including Nationalism, stopping Cronyism, deregulating energy and other laws that handicap workers/employers, etc. That means that a large part of those running who survive to win down ticket will have to be appearing to support such proposals. Which means he very well could have a large block of supporters in Congress and the Senate when he gets in office. We already see many of them bending at the knee....

I suspect there will be much less resistance to his "suggestions"  then is assumed now.

Under that logic, every single President should have been able to get their entire agenda through Congress.  It never happens that way because Congress is elected separately from the President.  That's how we got a GOP Congress but Democrat President.

Just to let you know, Civil Service is a third rail because it affects a disproportionately large number of minorities.  They will scream like you can't imagine, and any Democrat that isn't willing to die in place will go to the mat to stop it.  Filibustering in the Senate if necessary.  The other issue is that if you take away civil service protection, they'll probably end up getting the right to strike in return, and that would be a damn nightmare.

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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #130 on: May 27, 2016, 02:57:45 pm »
if somebody like Gingrich or Sessions is VP those laws will get changed. Same if war breaks out which is less likely with Trump but still a real possibility with our global situations.
Good luck with that.  How do you suppose they will get it past the liberal, union supported, DemWits and RINOs?
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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #131 on: May 27, 2016, 03:00:26 pm »
How?
Well lets look at one just one possibility...
If Trump wins the General that will mean there is a massive number of Americans (majority of voters) that are supporting his proposals including Nationalism, stopping Cronyism, deregulating energy and other laws that handicap workers/employers, etc. That means that a large part of those running who survive to win down ticket will have to be appearing to support such proposals. Which means he very well could have a large block of supporters in Congress and the Senate when he gets in office. We already see many of them bending at the knee....

I suspect there will be much less resistance to his "suggestions"  then is assumed now.
If you changed massive to mischievous I might give that thought some credibility.
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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #132 on: May 27, 2016, 04:45:20 pm »
Trump will make you and all the #NeverTrumps eat those words, by feeding tube.

The Squadrisi speaks?!

I guess that sums up what I'm reading online from the mob.  Don't vote Trump and you can expect this:





Followed by:



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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #133 on: May 27, 2016, 04:54:03 pm »
Trump will make you and all the #NeverTrumps eat those words, by feeding tube.

This is either,

(1) Sarcasm, or
(2) Totalitarian sickness

Which?
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« Reply #134 on: May 27, 2016, 05:13:01 pm »
Okay..Trump gets elected. He starts implementing his plans....many of which face obstruction from Dems and disaffected Pubbies. The only thing Trump knows about gov. so far is how to bribe gov. employees.  He will need people with extensive gov. experience to advise him every step of the way. And of course he'll have an assortment of a..-kissers to tell him what he's doing is great.
He obviously doesn't know diddly squat about the intricacies  of an entrenched bureaucracy that will try and foil virtually everything he does.
Some of Trump's ideas are good ideas, but he's a babe in the woods as far as handling pols. He's insulted about 90% of the Pubbie establishment, but he wants them to work with him.
It's all looking like a huge carnal act -up.  Trump will be blustering and threatening, but it will avail him little. Politics is not like business. He can't threaten to fire somebody from the other party for not going along with his  ideas. Even a number of Pubbies will balk at his screwier ideas. They know he's a one shot deal whose influence will end once he's out of office.
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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #135 on: May 27, 2016, 05:14:36 pm »
This is either,

(1) Sarcasm, or
(2) Totalitarian sickness

Which?

Let's hope on this board it is sarcasm.

On social media and other web forums and comment sites , not sarcasm at all.  What Mr. Cipher "suggested" is quite mild compared to what others have been threatening to do to #neverTrumps
« Last Edit: May 27, 2016, 05:15:38 pm by INVAR »
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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #136 on: May 27, 2016, 06:31:54 pm »
He cares so much, he will give them "his" money. /s/s

from his stash, like Obama

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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #137 on: May 27, 2016, 08:39:19 pm »
Under that logic, every single President should have been able to get their entire agenda through Congress.  It never happens that way because Congress is elected separately from the President.  That's how we got a GOP Congress but Democrat President.

Just to let you know, Civil Service is a third rail because it affects a disproportionately large number of minorities.  They will scream like you can't imagine, and any Democrat that isn't willing to die in place will go to the mat to stop it.  Filibustering in the Senate if necessary.  The other issue is that if you take away civil service protection, they'll probably end up getting the right to strike in return, and that would be a damn nightmare.
Some presidents were able too. The reason your example fails is the uniformity of mediocrity of most of the past Ivy League lawyer presidents precluded motivation and leadership characteristics which are at play here.

Your assumption of how the negotiations will go is without objective evidence.

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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #138 on: May 27, 2016, 08:43:58 pm »
Some presidents were able too. The reason your example fails is the uniformity of mediocrity of most of the past Ivy League lawyer presidents precluded motivation and leadership characteristics which are at play here.

Your assumption of how the negotiations will go is without objective evidence.

LOL!! Yeah, Trump is so smart that he will just bowl over Congress.

Trump is ignorant of history and of facts. What eventually comes out of Congress would look nothing like what Trump originally proposed.  That's because he HAS no principles and just wants stuff done, no matter what the final result is.
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #139 on: May 27, 2016, 08:45:51 pm »
Roy Moore's "spiritual warfare" is driving past a junior high without stopping.

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« Reply #140 on: May 27, 2016, 08:47:17 pm »
LOL!! Yeah, Trump is so smart that he will just bowl over Congress.

Trump is ignorant of history and of facts. What eventually comes out of Congress would look nothing like what Trump originally proposed.  That's because he HAS no principles and just wants stuff done, no matter what the final result is.
The republican congress lacks both a a spine and gonads so yeah he can probably get them to do anything ....
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« Reply #141 on: May 27, 2016, 09:11:16 pm »
Some presidents were able too. The reason your example fails is the uniformity of mediocrity of most of the past Ivy League lawyer presidents precluded motivation and leadership characteristics which are at play here.

Your assumption of how the negotiations will go is without objective evidence.

His entire campaign was on the premise that the GOP is at fault for not compromising more. We can easily figure out where that goes.

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« Reply #142 on: May 27, 2016, 09:43:14 pm »
His entire campaign was on the premise that the GOP is at fault for not compromising more. We can easily figure out where that goes.
He won, they have to help him now or have no power.
Trump is for America First.
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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #143 on: May 27, 2016, 10:10:15 pm »
He won, they have to help him now or have no power.
Chuckie Schumer will tell him to stick it where the sun don't shine.
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« Reply #144 on: May 27, 2016, 10:24:22 pm »
or have no power.

More repulsive threats

They keep this up and Hitler might start looking better than Drumpf

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« Reply #145 on: May 28, 2016, 12:14:21 am »
More repulsive threats

They keep this up and Hitler might start looking better than Drumpf
If they do not back him they have nobody to motivate voters for turn out in November. With no big turn out GOP gets its ass beat hard up and down the line. So yes no power as minority party in both houses with Hillary as president.
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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #147 on: May 28, 2016, 01:21:16 am »
He won, they have to help him now or have no power.

The "power" you speak of kills a free society.  Democracies by their very nature vote themselves out of existence and we are all in the front row watching it. Some of you are cheering it on.
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« Reply #148 on: May 28, 2016, 01:45:12 am »
If they do not back him they have nobody to motivate voters for turn out in November.

lol. Because Trump doesn't seem to motivate even a majority of his own party. lol.

Let him campaign all by hisself. The rest of them should distance themselves from the Clown Prince.

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Re: Trump: GOP Will Become 'Workers Party' 5 Years From Now
« Reply #149 on: May 28, 2016, 01:48:15 am »
lol. Because Trump doesn't seem to motivate even a majority of his own party. lol.

Let him campaign all by hisself. The rest of them should distance themselves from the Clown Prince.
Hillary thanks you for helping her.
Trump is for America First.
"Crooked Hillary Clinton is the Secretary of the Status Quo – and wherever Hillary Clinton goes, corruption and scandal follow." D. Trump 7/11/16

Did you know that the word ‘gullible’ is not in the dictionary?

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