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Trump Would Crush the Winners of the U.S. Economy
« on: May 24, 2016, 02:51:07 pm »
http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-05-24/trump-would-crush-the-winners-of-the-u-s-economy

Trump Would Crush the Winners of the U.S. Economy

MAY 24, 2016 9:00 AM EDT

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Virginia Postrel

Donald Trump says it all the time: “We don’t win anymore.” If you got all your economic news from the presumed Republican nominee, you’d think U.S. businesses hadn’t added any new jobs or accomplished anything worthwhile since sometime in the Johnson administration. Americans nowadays, he keeps suggesting, are total losers.

While Trump’s rhetoric denigrates the achievements of U.S. companies and their millions of employees, his specific proposals are worse. They reveal a vision of the good economy as static, uninnovative and controlled from the White House. President Trump’s America is, despite the rhetoric, an economy with no place for winners.

Start with the candidate’s pettiest proposal: his not-so-veiled threat to unleash antitrust regulators against Amazon to punish CEO Jeff Bezos, who owns  The Washington Post, for the newspaper’s negative coverage of his campaign. To serve his personal agenda, Trump would rewrite U.S. antitrust doctrine. Forget protecting consumers from cartels; he would instead protect businesses from competition. And he would side with foreign governments against an American winner.

Like Google and Facebook, Amazon is under attack by European antitrust regulators. If Trump were really the economic nationalist he plays on TV, he would be defending these U.S. stars. But in his picture of the economy, these companies simply don’t count, perhaps because they weren’t around during his 1980s business heyday. Trump is neither pro-market nor pro-business, the usual Republican choices. He’s just pro-Trump.

He’s also oblivious to most U.S. success stories. On just about any list of excellence -- the most admired companies, the most valuable brands, the world’s supply-chain leaders -- U.S. enterprises dominate. Nike has even surpassed long-time champion Louis Vuitton as the world’s most valuable apparel brand, a triumph for American culture as well as a U.S. business. The chemists coming up with new products at 3M or Procter & Gamble are no more important to Trump than the FedEx and UPS drivers delivering packages, the longshoremen offloading cargo at the ports of Long Beach and Charleston, the animators creating new films for Pixar, or the buyers finding bargains for T.J. Maxx. Whether you work for a U.S. company or a foreign company with U.S. operations, if you’re a successful player in a global supply chain, you simply don’t exist to him.

This is a candidate who promised to bring big steel back to Pittsburgh without considering why it disappeared. In Trump’s version of the economy, the only threat to established industries comes from diabolical foreigners and stupid U.S. trade negotiators. (Never mind that Chinese steelmakers already face nearly 500 percent punitive tariffs for corrosion-resistant products, with more tariffs for other types of steel potentially on the way.) He can’t imagine disruption that comes from changing demand or better ideas.

In Trump’s America, there were no minimills reinventing American steel, and taking market share from the old stalwarts, by recycling scrap into lower-cost, increasingly valuable products. In Trump’s America, there were no auto companies lightening their cars by reducing the amount of steel they contain -- no Ford betting big on aluminum trucks, certainly nobody thinking about carbon fiber. And, of course, in Trump’s America nobody minds that raising the price of steel hurts every U.S. company that uses it, be it a construction firm or a medical-instrument maker, and every consumer who buys from them.

The candidate’s promise to slap a 35 percent tariff on Carrier air conditioners and parts made in Mexico reveals the same blind spot. Every U.S. company buying HVAC equipment for its office, factory or server farm (not to mention Americans cooling their homes, hospitals, churches and schools) would be hurt. In the hope of recreating a bygone ideal of what “winning” looks like -- 1950s industrial production protected from global competition -- Trump would punish the actual winners in the U.S.

Bemoaning “today’s reactionary politics” a decade ago, Brink Lindsey observed in the New Republic that “the rival ideologies of left and right are both pining for the ’50s. The only difference is that liberals want to work there, while conservatives want to go home there.” As a Republican candidate, Trump has upended that distinction, largely jettisoning social conservatism in favor of a nostalgic economic view that ignores, denigrates or actively attacks the sources of strength, and jobs, in the U.S. economy.

Both supporters and critics have likened Trump to the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man, “the form of the Destructor,” in Ghostbusters. It’s an apt comparison. He’s oblivious to the life he’s crushing as he bumbles around.
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2016, 02:55:54 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2016, 02:58:23 pm »
Bloomberg....
Really #neverTrump?
Pathetic
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Re: Trump Would Crush the Winners of the U.S. Economy
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2016, 03:01:03 pm »
Thanks for posting this. Trump is all about Trump. His fantastical suggestions will not work. He loves America because of the fortune he made with illegal labor, making deals with the NY mob, and taking land from the little people.
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« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2016, 03:15:44 pm »
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Both supporters and critics have likened Trump to the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man, “the form of the Destructor,” in Ghostbusters. It’s an apt comparison. He’s oblivious to the life he’s crushing as he bumbles around.

Trump is an economic ignoramus with absolutely no awareness of history or cause-and-effect.  What he does now is the tribal instincts that motivate his followers.  It's always an "us-versus-them" argument that he makes.  There's always an enemy he's going after and, like the lemmings they are, his supporters tramp right along behind him.

As the campaign goes on, Trump will look dumber and dumber.  He doesn't listen to anybody, so his "advisors" are mere window dressing to an idiot who appeals to the lowest level of human consciousness. 
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« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2016, 03:19:18 pm »
I cringe every time I see the ignorant and vile con-man Trump open his mouth and utters ridiculous statements with no internal logic. But I guess it floats the boat of his supporters.
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« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2016, 04:14:35 pm »
Trump is an economic ignoramus with absolutely no awareness of history or cause-and-effect.  What he does now is the tribal instincts that motivate his followers.  It's always an "us-versus-them" argument that he makes.  There's always an enemy he's going after and, like the lemmings they are, his supporters tramp right along behind him.

As the campaign goes on, Trump will look dumber and dumber.  He doesn't listen to anybody, so his "advisors" are mere window dressing to an idiot who appeals to the lowest level of human consciousness.
You owe the lemmings an apology. They are smarter than that for what its worth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming
The misconception of lemming "mass suicide" is long-standing and has been popularized by a number of factors. It was well enough known to be mentioned in "The Marching Morons", a 1951 short story by Cyril M. Kornbluth {The inspiration for Idiocracy BTW}. In 1955, Disney Studio illustrator Carl Barks drew an Uncle Scrooge adventure comic with the title "The Lemming with the Locket". This comic, which was inspired by a 1953 American Mercury article, showed massive numbers of lemmings jumping over Norwegian cliffs.[7][8] Even more influential was the 1958 Disney film White Wilderness, which won an Academy Award for Documentary Feature, in which staged footage was shown with lemmings jumping into certain death after faked scenes of mass migration.[9] A Canadian Broadcasting Corporation documentary, Cruel Camera, found the lemmings used for White Wilderness were flown from Hudson Bay to Calgary, Alberta, Canada, where they did not jump off the cliff, but were in fact forced off the cliff by the camera crew.[10][11] Because of the limited number of lemmings at their disposal, which in any case were the wrong sub-species, the migration scenes were simulated using tight camera angles and a large, snow-covered turntable.[6]

Thanks Disney.  :facepalm2:
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« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2016, 04:34:02 pm »
Trump's policies would help the American middle class instead of selected individuals and industries.  Unfortunately, the GOP forgot the middle class and therefore lost the last two Presidential elections.  Trump championing middle class American issues is why he is ahead of Hillary in the polls. 

I can no understand why so many on this forum are all in for Hillary. 

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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2016, 04:36:20 pm »
I cringe every time I see the ignorant and vile con-man Trump open his mouth and utters ridiculous statements with no internal logic. But I guess it floats the boat of his supporters.

But you surely don't cringe every time you see Hillary.  And you never criticize Hillary on this Board. 

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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2016, 04:41:01 pm »
Trump is an economic ignoramus with absolutely no awareness of history or cause-and-effect.  What he does now is the tribal instincts that motivate his followers.  It's always an "us-versus-them" argument that he makes.  There's always an enemy he's going after and, like the lemmings they are, his supporters tramp right along behind him.

As the campaign goes on, Trump will look dumber and dumber.  He doesn't listen to anybody, so his "advisors" are mere window dressing to an idiot who appeals to the lowest level of human consciousness.

Oh, yes, Trump is a complete idiot.  So many idiots achieve billions in the competitive New York real estate market. So many idiots have created their own brand known and revered world wide.  So many idiots have won the GOP nomination against a stalwart field of candidates.   The GOP voters are fools as well.

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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2016, 04:42:21 pm »
Trump's policies would help the American middle class instead of selected individuals and industries.  Unfortunately, the GOP forgot the middle class and therefore lost the last two Presidential elections.  Trump championing middle class American issues is why he is ahead of Hillary in the polls. 

I can no understand why so many on this forum are all in for Hillary.

Tariffs are taxes. Raising taxes on foreign goods by 35% would amount to raising the prices of goods bought at Wal-Mart by that same amount.  Would that be helpful to people who are living paycheck to paycheck?

In addition, 55 cents of every dollar spent on foreign goods stays right here at home in the form of jobs in the distribution chain.  Truck drivers, stockers, warehouse workers would all be adversely affected.

Trump doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to tariffs.

Trump couldn't impose unilateral taxes on an entire country anyway; it's forbidden by law.
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2016, 04:45:50 pm »
Oh, yes, Trump is a complete idiot.  So many idiots achieve billions in the competitive New York real estate market. So many idiots have created their own brand known and revered world wide.  So many idiots have won the GOP nomination against a stalwart field of candidates.   The GOP voters are fools as well.

He's an economic idiot in terms of not knowing how trade works, except that he knows how to exploit it for his cheap ties made in China and his suits in Mexico, and making his supporters believe that there are no repercussions to punitive tariffs..

Just wait until Hillary trots out those Trump University "graduates" and you'll see how revered Trump is.
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2016, 04:49:42 pm »
But you surely don't cringe every time you see Hillary.  And you never criticize Hillary on this Board.
Wrong, I criticize Hitlery all the time. She is corrupt lying NY liberal as is Trump. She belongs in prison for Benghazi and influence peddling with the Clinton Crime Family Foundation.

The two presumptive nominees of the Uniparty are unacceptable to me.
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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2016, 05:01:01 pm »
Trump's policies would help the American middle class ...
Law of Unitended Consequences not withstanding. You dont' help the middle class by saying "I'm for the middle class," you help them by getting the government out of the way. Government is the problem not the solution. 

Raising tarriffs would hurt the middle class in a yuge way. Raising the minimum wage would further strangle the ability for anyone to get a job. The rich, as usual, will still work around both of those and get richer.
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« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2016, 05:04:36 pm »
Oh, yes, Trump is a complete idiot.  So many idiots achieve billions in the competitive New York real estate market. So many idiots have created their own brand known and revered world wide.  So many idiots have won the GOP nomination against a stalwart field of candidates.   The GOP voters are fools as well.
I'm sure wealthy parents and a reality TV shows did nothing to contribute to his wealth.  :whistle:

If he's so great why did he go bankrupt multiple times? Where are all his Trump ____ (steak, vodka, etc) products now? He's an Amway salesman on steroids.
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I'm sure wealthy parents and a reality TV shows did nothing to contribute to his wealth.  :whistle:

If he's so great why did he go bankrupt multiple times? Where are all his Trump ____ (steak, vodka, etc) products now? He's an Amway salesman on steroids.

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« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2016, 05:14:12 pm »
I cringe every time I see the ignorant and vile con-man Trump open his mouth and utters ridiculous statements with no internal logic. But I guess it floats the boat of his supporters.

Hmmm.... I guess so.  So, where will you be moving come January so you won't have to spend the next four years cringing?

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« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2016, 05:19:38 pm »
Hmmm.... I guess so.  So, where will you be moving come January so you won't have to spend the next four years cringing?

Are you telling people they must leave the country if they don't vote for Trump?

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« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2016, 05:21:43 pm »
Oh, yes, Trump is a complete idiot.  So many idiots achieve billions in the competitive New York real estate market. So many idiots have created their own brand known and revered world wide.  So many idiots have won the GOP nomination against a stalwart field of candidates.   The GOP voters are fools as well.

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« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2016, 07:59:48 pm »
Are you telling people they must leave the country if they don't vote for Trump?
Well Realtors are already offering to sell the houses of the #neverTrumps and Liberals (getting redundant) who are threatening to leave America when Trump wins.

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« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2016, 09:38:15 pm »
Oh, yes, Trump is a complete idiot.  So many idiots achieve billions in the competitive New York real estate market. So many idiots have created their own brand known and revered world wide.  So many idiots have won the GOP nomination against a stalwart field of candidates.   The GOP voters are fools as well.
You can be all those things and still be totally incompetent at actually setting the policy for a nation.

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« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2016, 09:49:37 pm »
Trump's policies would help the American middle class instead of selected individuals and industries. 

How? Who buys most imported goods in the US?

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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2016, 10:21:03 pm »
How? Who buys most imported goods in the US?
Da Rich. Haven't you ever been to Walmart? :pondering:
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