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SOURCE: HOTAIR.COM

URL: http://http://hotair.com/archives/2016/05/19/nyc-mayor-wants-to-fine-businesses-who-dont-use-transgender-pronouns-such-as-ze-or-zir/

by: Jazz Shaw

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I’m no longer sure on any given day if I’m watching the actual news out of New York City or reading the summary of a William Gibson novel. Either way, the crazy train has well and truly pulling into the station in the Big Apple. We learned this week that Hizzonor Bill de Blasio has yet another plan to entrench the city in “transgender” warfare and make sure that business owners are made to toe the line on political correctness. Under this latest scheme, any business which greets someone using a pronoun not matching the gender (or lack thereof) the customer “identifies” as could face a stiff fine in court. No… I’m not even remotely kidding you. (Washington Times)

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Greeting customers as “Mr.” or “Mrs.” — or even not using the pronoun “ze” or “zir” — could prove costly for New York City businesses under rules drafted by Mayor Bill de Blasio’s bureaucrats.

The Gotham mayor’s Commission on Human Rights says entities that fail to address customers by their preferred gender pronouns and titles are in violation of the law and could be subject to penalties of up to $250,000.

The commission issued a “legal enforcement guidance” for the New York City Human Rights Law, which now “requires employers and converted entities to use an individual’s preferred name, pronoun and title (e.g., Ms./Mrs.) regardless of the individual’s sex assigned at birth, anatomy, gender, medical history, appearance, or the sex indicated on the individual’s identification.”


So now New York City will regulate the speech of business owners and employees down to the level of punishing those who use standard, polite pronouns which have been accepted protocol for nearly as long as we’ve had language skills. If we were to stretch credulity to the point of denying basic medical science, you might be able to make the argument that someone you assumed was male could correct you and say they are female. With today’s fashions and hairstyles, who’s to say, right? If what appears to be a woman walks up to the perfume counter and, upon being greeted with a cheerful, “Good afternoon, Ma’am” informs you that they should be addressed as sir, what’s the harm? You still want to make the sale, so just call them sir and ring up the purchase. But if you fail to conform to the request, what law has been broken? Your boss might fire you for driving away business (and they would be well within their right to do so) but can you be dragged into court and fined? And we’re not talking about a small fine here.

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The maximum civil fine that the commission may impose upon “misgendering” is $125,000. But when the violation is the “result of willful, wanton, or malicious conduct,” the maximum fine can double to $250,000.

That doesn’t even begin to address the question of demands to use misappropriated terms like “they/them/theirs” or worse, completely fake pronouns such as “ze/hir.” Shifting generic plurals to be used in the singular (“Would them care for some more coffee?”) is simply bad English and makes you sound illiterate. And don’t get me started on this “ze/hir” nonsense. Those aren’t even words. The city administration chooses to define them as, alternative pronoun systems developed by academics and/or LGBT communities, but that doesn’t make them part of the language and nobody is required to use these made up terms.

Or at least they weren’t until now. If these rules go into place I’m extremely tempted to head down to the city and start applying for part time jobs in retail. I’d love to see them try to enforce this mandate in court and have it survive a challenge up the line. If something like this can actually be done then we need to simply scrap the Bill of Rights entirely and let Bernie Sanders take over and complete the conversion to socialism.

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When liberalism and sanity collide, there is chaos. All the chaos we see going on is the result of an attempt to replace sanity with liberalism. The two cannot occupy the same space.

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Are these the NY values that Trump supports?
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Hopefully, sanity will reign and this law will be seen as denying free speech per the below article and deemed unconstitutional. But nowadays, you never know!

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Legal experts say the guidance violates constitutional guarantees of free speech.

Eugene Volokh, a First Amendment specialist at the University of California Los Angeles law school, wrote in the Washington Post Tuesday that this would make restaurant owners responsible not only for the speech of their employees, but of their customers.

“You can be fined for not calling people ‘ze’ or ‘hir,’ if that’s the pronoun they demand that you use,” Volokh’s headline proclaims. But this is not only absurd, he explains, but a severe restriction on freedom. “People can basically force us — on pain of massive legal liability — to say what they want us to say, whether or not we want to endorse the political message associated with that term, and whether or not we think it’s a lie.”

He observes that because what pronoun a person chooses to express his or her gender is entirely subjective, they could pick terms such as “Your Holiness” or “Milord,” which are currently honorifics appropriate to Anglican bishops and Catholic Popes, but which neither could compel anyone to use.

A transgender person, on the other hand, could not only claim them as his or her own, Volokh argues, but could take someone who refused to use these terms to the Human Rights Commission. “They may look like non-gender-related titles, but who’s to say? What if someone decides that one of the 56 genders is indeed especially noble or holy?”

Another freedom of religion specialist, Josh Blackman, a professor at the South Texas College of Law, considers NYC’s guidance to be an example of “compelled speech,” and a violation of the First Amendment’s guarantees of free religion and speech. Some people believe that gender is not fluid but “is defined by what genitalia and chromosomes a person has at birth. Perhaps to the staff at the NYC Commission on Human Rights … such an idea is absolutely outlandish and contrary to every scientific consensus–on par with a geocentric model of the universe. But that is legally irrelevant.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/new-york-city-imposes-fines-up-to-250000-for-refusing-to-call-trans-person
« Last Edit: May 19, 2016, 05:09:55 pm by TomSea »

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When liberalism and sanity collide, there is chaos. All the chaos we see going on is the result of an attempt to replace sanity with liberalism. The two cannot occupy the same space.

If we adopt 'ze', I'm wondering how soon we'll have protests over the insensitivity to German-Americans.
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This just in- The mayor presents a list of words that people who say such 'awful hateful things' will be fined if used in public: (but of course this is a work in progress- more banned words to come)

Altar    Fearing God    Meat offering    Righteous
Anointing (2)    God Glory    Mercy    Sanctuary
Bear Iniquity    Grace    Mightly men    Sanctuary (2)
Blood of the Covenant    Graven image    Miter    Sepulchre
Book of the Covenant    Guilt    Jesus Moses (2)    Seven Churches
Burial    Heart and Soul    Nephilim    Savior Shalt Not Kill
Burnt offerings    I AM    Oil (2)    Soul
Cloud    Idol    Perfect    Statutes
Commandments    Iniquity    Prayer    Testimony
Confessing    Judgement    Priests Office    Transgression
Covenant    Judgements    Prophet    Visitation
Covenant (2)    Key    Propitiatory    Way
Disciple    Law    Redeeming    Witness
Drink offering    Laying on the hand    Remains    
Expiation    Manna    Repent

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The Mayor is pushing a very insidious effort by the left and the European agenda which wants ot make it an international hate crime to, well, be religious really- To say anything in public which might be seen as 'not supportive of the LGBT agenda'- and they are desperately trying to make it a case of 'child abuse' for parents to 'indoctrinate their children with the gospels' when young

The left is very very serious about this folks, and dear leader was, perhaps even still is, trying to do an end run around congress to sign this country up to the 'hate crime' agenda of the UN

Keep a close eye on this mayor and watch which direction this goes in because he's been pushing hard for this now for awhile- And God help this nation if she who's name one darest not mention' becomes president because she Will advance the LGBT agenda even further than current president has done

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I can't even firgure out how to use those in a sentence. What ze heck. Pardon my French. No Zir, Officer; I'm not as drink as you thunk I am.
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I can't even firgure out how to use those in a sentence. What ze heck. Pardon my French. No Zir, Officer; I'm not as drink as you thunk I am.

Two fellas driving around drinking- a cops pulls out behind them- the driver tells passenger 'quick take these labels off the bottles- passenger does so- driver says 'quick stick one to your forehead

Cop pulls them over- says "You boys been drinking?" Driver says "Nope- No sir- honest- " points to label on his forehead and says "See? We're on the patch"

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Two fellas driving around drinking- a cops pulls out behind them- the driver tells passenger 'quick take these labels off the bottles- passenger does so- driver says 'quick stick one to your forehead

Cop pulls them over- says "You boys been drinking?" Driver says "Nope- No sir- honest- " points to label on his forehead and says "See? We're on the patch"
LOL!
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May I be the first to say, "New York values"?

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"Ze" or "Zir"? What the hell does that even mean?
What language is that?

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I guess these people failed to learn anything from history, such as the Committee on Public Safety in post-revolution France...

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how about freak.weirdo,creep and dirtbag?

and these so called human rights commissions
have no authority under the Constitution or any law I know of


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"Ze" or "Zir"? What the hell does that even mean?
What language is that?

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May I be the first to say, "New York values"?

No. But you can be second! :laugh:

 
Are these the NY values that Trump supports?

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Hopefully those snowflakes will melt soon enough.
The weather is getting warmer.

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"Ze" or "Zir"

They make up words and want to force people to use them.

DeBlasio is Robespierre!!

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Hopefully those snowflakes will melt soon enough.
The weather is getting warmer.

you've given me the germ of an article idea. Going to kick it around a bit, see if it's worth writing.
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When I first read this story, I thought it was a hoax. But it's been reported on many different sites including British sites.
 Like I've said before, just when you think libs can't come up with anything stupider than their last proposals, they prove you wrong. I'd like to see the various nuts in NYC enforce this latest insanity.
I'm still holding out hope that DeBlasio isn't completely off his rocker and will reveal this thing as a hoax. But I won't hold my breath.
« Last Edit: May 20, 2016, 03:35:06 am by goatprairie »

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Dana Loesch's response:


Dana Loesch ‏@DLoesch  May 18
Whenever in NYC I’m now going by the title of Dr. Loesch, Mayor of NY, Queen of the Ozarks, Mother of Dragons

Dana Loesch ‏@DLoesch  May 18
I’m serious.

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Trump-endorsed, Trump-approved certified 100% NUTS

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I wonder what you will have to call your boy and girl dogs.  And will they still get spayed and neutered, or will that be too exact for the fictional characters on the left and their righty apologists?

You know, I think the electrician industry is going to have to be heavily fined because they still use the terms male and female.

So, someone goes into a fertility clinic and asks for what?  A Ze to go with their Zir to make a little Zot?

lol

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you've given me the germ of an article idea. Going to kick it around a bit, see if it's worth writing.

Glad I could be of service.