Whom Should Trump Pick As VP?

[RetBobbyMI]

Trump risks HIS base no matter which direction he goes.  If his picks someone from the right, he risks the Dems he wants to draw from.  If he goes left, he risks losing the NeverTrumps AND the maybeTrumps.  If he picks from HIS center, he risks losing the rest of the country.

[MACVSOG68]

OK - you wanted some serious input….

Excellent post Neverdul.  Great analysis, without the one-liner BS.  I like Ryan and see where you're going with that.  Problem is he won't bring in the #nevertrumps as they don't think much of the Speaker.  Trump's problem as you pointed out is going too far to the right and walking away from the #neverhillary voters.  I still like Kasich and Martinez, as well as Haley, but I note your concern with Haley, again who might not bring in many #nevertrump votes.  But you've made some great, thought-provoking points.   

 

[Free Vulcan]

Unfortunately, this fellow has gone on to his reward. It's a shame, because he and The Donald would have made a heck of a hair band, if not a presidential team.

Beam me up Scotty!

[RetBobbyMI]

Beam me up Scotty!

Now there's an idea. Trump could tap Gov Brown from granola land and sandwich the country in left and right coast liberal though.

[Bill Cipher]

Excellent post Neverdul.  Great analysis, without the one-liner BS.  I like Ryan and see where you're going with that.  Problem is he won't bring in the #nevertrumps as they don't think much of the Speaker.  Trump's problem as you pointed out is going too far to the right and walking away from the #neverhillary voters.  I still like Kasich and Martinez, as well as Haley, but I note your concern with Haley, again who might not bring in many #nevertrump votes.  But you've made some great, thought-provoking points.   

 

Excuse me?

Ryan's great as far as I'm concerned.  I hope he has the good sense to steer clear of a career-ending dalliance with the Orange Baboon.  He's also too much of an independent thinker, IMHO, and we know for a fact that Saint Donald hates people who don't kowtow to his personal commands. 

[Bill Cipher]

Now there's an idea. Trump could tap Gov Brown from granola land and sandwich the country in left and right coast liberal though.

Too bad he can't go for Ahhhnold, another liberal in republican clothing, if it's bicoastalism he wants. 

[MACVSOG68]

Excuse me?

Ryan's great as far as I'm concerned.  I hope he has the good sense to steer clear of a career-ending dalliance with the Orange Baboon.  He's also too much of an independent thinker, IMHO, and we know for a fact that Saint Donald hates people who don't kowtow to his personal commands.

You're excused.

I like Ryan too and believe he has a good future and will no doubt have presidential aspirations in the future.  But he has been excoriated by many on the right as a traitor to the GOP after the omnibus spending bill.  Selecting him for the VP slop wouldn't bring many from the right who've written Ryan off and even want him primaried.

[DCPatriot]

Excuse me?

Ryan's great as far as I'm concerned.  I hope he has the good sense to steer clear of a career-ending dalliance with the Orange Baboon.  He's also too much of an independent thinker, IMHO, and we know for a fact that Saint Donald hates people who don't kowtow to his personal commands.

Man...are you in for a surprise!     

[Luis Gonzalez]

Still be better than Hillary/Commie, La Raza.

If Hillary picks Julian Castro as VP, it is all over but the shouting, possibly for the next 16 years.

I've been saying that since this guy spoke at the Dem convention.

[MACVSOG68]

If Hillary picks Julian Castro as VP, it is all over but the shouting, possibly for the next 16 years.

I've been saying that since this guy spoke at the Dem convention.

His pick is almost a given.  Been talked about for a long time going back to 2012.  If Hillary isn't indicted, he could well bring her across the finish line.

[Luis Gonzalez]

His pick is almost a given.  Been talked about for a long time going back to 2012.  If Hillary isn't indicted, he could well bring her across the finish line.

He will bring her across the finish line.

[MACVSOG68]

He will bring her across the finish line.

I wouldn't bet against you, but in this election, nothing in history can predict this Fall campaign.

[wolfcreek]

If Hillary picks Julian Castro as VP, it is all over but the shouting, possibly for the next 16 years.

I've been saying that since this guy spoke at the Dem convention.

He's a POS and you act as though we already lost.

[Luis Gonzalez]

He's a POS and you act as though we already lost.

Yes, he's a POS.

Yes, we've already lost.

[Bill Cipher]

Man...are you in for a surprise!     

Yes massa, you gwine be da bes' massa evuh massa.  You be gwine tell dis po soul what best fo me.

[Hoodat]

Cruz is a politician. Trump obviously is NOT. Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.

Cruz is a Conservative.  Trump, Clinton, and Sanders  are not.  Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.

[A-Lert]

Cruz is a Conservative.  Trump, Clinton, and Sanders  are not.  Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.

There are degrees of conservatism. Right wing ideologues will not win a national election now or the foreseeable future. Clinton and Sanders are left wing liberals. Trump is a moderate conservative who supports the 2nd Amendment and secure borders. A superior choice to either liberal. Sad that you are so blind.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

There are degrees of conservatism. Right wing ideologues will not win a national election now or the foreseeable future. Clinton and Sanders are left wing liberals. Trump is a moderate conservative who supports the 2nd Amendment and secure borders. A superior choice to either liberal. Sad that you are so blind.

Hillary was an unusually weak candidate who probably could have been beaten by either Cruz or now Trump, IMO. Just from what I've observed among friends the past few weeks.

[wolfcreek]

Yes, he's a POS.

Yes, we've already lost.

Confessions of your mouth......

[wolfcreek]

Cruz is a Conservative.  Trump, Clinton, and Sanders  are not.  Sad that you are unable to discern the difference.

Sad you don't see the glaring differences.

[wolfcreek]

Hillary was an unusually weak candidate who probably could have been beaten by either Cruz or now Trump, IMO. Just from what I've observed among friends the past few weeks.

That's true but, some posters here gave up on beating her long ago.

[Jazzhead]

That's true but, some posters here gave up on beating her long ago.

No one here wants to see Hillary Clinton as our next President.   That's why so many of us have fought so hard to nominate someone other than Donald Trump.  It's up to Trump to overcome the doubts about his principles and temperament.  Otherwise it's Nixon vs. Nixon,  and I for one would rather just vote for Pat Toomey.   

[Frank Cannon]

That's true but, some posters here gave up on beating her long ago.

Uh, no. We know that Hitlary and Donny are the same.

[Free Vulcan]

There are degrees of conservatism. Right wing ideologues will not win a national election now or the foreseeable future. Clinton and Sanders are left wing liberals. Trump is a moderate conservative who supports the 2nd Amendment and secure borders. A superior choice to either liberal. Sad that you are so blind.

So Trump is a moderate conservative in the tradition of John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, and...Richard Nixon.

So in other words, he's GOPe.

[Hoodat]

There are degrees of conservatism.

There is no degree of Conservatism that supports Kelo.  And there is no degree of Conservatism that defends taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood.

Clinton and Sanders are left wing liberals.

When it comes to Kelo, Trump lines up far to the left of Sanders.

[A-Lert]

So Trump is a moderate conservative in the tradition of John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, and...Richard Nixon.

So in other words, he's GOPe.

You have a great imagination. Do you write fiction for a livelihood?

[A-Lert]

There is no degree of Conservatism that supports Kelo.  And there is no degree of Conservatism that defends taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood.


When it comes to Kelo, Trump lines up far to the left of Sanders.

Kelo was decided by the SCOTUS. So it makes little difference how you or I perceive it. Do you believe a POTUS can overturn it?


PP deserves no more funding than the DOE or EPA. Congress sees to it that they are funded. We know who has been in congress and it isn't or wasn't Trump.

[RetBobbyMI]

So all you Trump advocates are ok with his position

-- that mothers can murder their unborn if they so choose?

-- that the government should continue funding Planned Parenthood so THEY can continue helping a mother murdering their unborn kids?

-- for continued support of bloated government beauracies and their continued intrusion into our lives and takeover of states rights?

-- to continue the IRS and maintaining multiple tax rates to facilitate social injustice?

-- to continue registration of personal firearms so the government can come after you?

-- that eminent domain and the government right to take your property is fair and just?

[EC]

Bobby, you missed the latest.

Trump doesn't have positions. He has "suggestions." http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,206425.0/topicseen.html

[pogo101]

Kelo was decided by the SCOTUS. So it makes little difference how you or I perceive it. Do you believe a POTUS can overturn it?


PP deserves no more funding than the DOE or EPA. Congress sees to it that they are funded. We know who has been in congress and it isn't or wasn't Trump.

Forgive me, but you're dodging. 

Trump is pro-Kelo.  That matters.  It can be presumed that he will appoint pro-Kelo SCOTUS justices.  That matters.

Trump is pro-abortuary funding with taxpayer dollars.  That matters.  Trump can and presumably will veto any effort to strip such funding by Congress.  That matters.  The President also has great influence over what Congress even attempts to do, and has the bully pulpit to influence the electorate.  That matters.

[RetBobbyMI]

Bobby, you missed the latest.

Trump doesn't have positions. He has "suggestions." http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,206425.0/topicseen.html

Ha Ha! I heard something about that while I was out and about this morning running my errands. Maybe Trump will have a NEW apprentice reality show where he can find new project managers to solve the country's problems.

[A-Lert]

So all you Trump advocates are ok with his position

-- that mothers can murder their unborn if they so choose?

-- that the government should continue funding Planned Parenthood so THEY can continue helping a mother murdering their unborn kids?

-- for continued support of bloated government beauracies and their continued intrusion into our lives and takeover of states rights?

-- to continue the IRS and maintaining multiple tax rates to facilitate social injustice?

-- to continue registration of personal firearms so the government can come after you?

-- that eminent domain and the government right to take your property is fair and just?

The SCOTUS has decided most of what you posted. No POTUS can overturn the decisions. The drama queen act is getting old.

[pogo101]

The SCOTUS has decided most of what you posted. No POTUS can overturn the decisions. The drama queen act is getting old.

What's getting old are (1) about half of the SCOTUS justices and (2) your willful refusal to deal with the fact that the President alone nominates their replacements. 

You're trying to have us believe that Trump as President will have no more impact on these policy issues than would Cruz, or Hillary.

Stop the act.

It matters that Trump is way off to the left of the other GOP options.  Sure, he's prrrrrrrrobably (not sure) better than Hillary in terms of the judges he'd nominate. 

But don't sit there and tell us that SCOTUS is some disconnected body on high whose composition the President cannot influence.

[A-Lert]

What's getting old are (1) about half of the SCOTUS justices and (2) your willful refusal to deal with the fact that the President alone nominates their replacements. 

You're trying to have us believe that Trump as President will have no more impact on these policy issues than would Cruz, or Hillary.

Stop the act.

It matters that Trump is way off to the left of the other GOP options.  Sure, he's prrrrrrrrobably (not sure) better than Hillary in terms of the judges he'd nominate. 

But don't sit there and tell us that SCOTUS is some disconnected body on high whose composition the President cannot influence.

The POTUS nominates, he doesn't confirm. Trump isn't stupid, like you neverTrumps seem to believe.

Hell, Cruz couldn't influence his peers in congress. Trump actually has a chance of influencing congress and accomplishing improvements in border security, the military and trade.

[sinkspur]

The POTUS nominates, he doesn't confirm. Trump isn't stupid, like you neverTrumps seem to believe.

Anybody who publicly mocks the handicapped and trashes POWs is goddamned stupid!!!

[pogo101]

The POTUS nominates, he doesn't confirm. Trump isn't stupid, like you neverTrumps seem to believe.

Hell, Cruz couldn't influence his peers in congress. Trump actually has a chance of influencing congress and accomplishing improvements in border security, the military and trade.

Wait, wait, a minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Kelo (which Trump supports), only SCOTUS.
A minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Roe (which Trump supports, along with taxpayer funding to PP), only SCOTUS.
Now? When I called you on your dodging, you try to flip the script and say, in effect, "Uh, yeah, SCOTUS suddenly matters to me!  But um, Cruz wasn't successful, and Trump will be, because TRUMP!"

You're the inaugural member of my Ignore List.  Not because you're for Trump, but because you are not arguing in good faith.  Please add me to yours.

[A-Lert]

Anybody who publicly mocks the handicapped and trashes POWs is goddamned stupid!!!

Your incessant whining is even moreso.

[DCPatriot]

Anybody who publicly mocks the handicapped and trashes POWs is goddamned stupid!!!

Deep breaths, buddy!     

[Wingnut]

Wait, wait, a minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Kelo (which Trump supports), only SCOTUS.
A minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Roe (which Trump supports, along with taxpayer funding to PP), only SCOTUS.
Now? When I called you on your dodging, you try to flip the script and say, in effect, "Uh, yeah, SCOTUS suddenly matters to me!  But um, Cruz wasn't successful, and Trump will be, because TRUMP!"

You're the inaugural member of my Ignore List.  Not because you're for Trump, but because you are not arguing in good faith.  Please add me to yours.

Point of fact @pogo101 .  He is the undisputed king of the ignore.  Infact I asked @mystery-ak to remane "Ignore Button" to the "A-Lert Button" in his honor.

[A-Lert]

Wait, wait, a minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Kelo (which Trump supports), only SCOTUS.
A minute ago you said that the President can't do anything about Roe (which Trump supports, along with taxpayer funding to PP), only SCOTUS.
Now? When I called you on your dodging, you try to flip the script and say, in effect, "Uh, yeah, SCOTUS suddenly matters to me!  But um, Cruz wasn't successful, and Trump will be, because TRUMP!"

You're the inaugural member of my Ignore List.  Not because you're for Trump, but because you are not arguing in good faith.  Please add me to yours.

You're confused. The POTUS can NOT overturn SCOTUS decisions.

Cruz was unpopular with his peers and apparently wasn't that popular with the electorate. Cruz comes off as impersonal, staid and a right wing ideologue. Trump has a better chance of being successful because he can be persuasive. All evidence indicates Cruz can't be or isn't persuasive.

[A-Lert]

Point of fact @pogo101 .  He is the undisputed king of the ignore.  Infact I asked @mystery-ak to remane "Ignore Button" to the "A-Lert Button" in his honor.

 

[RetBobbyMI]

The SCOTUS has decided most of what you posted. No POTUS can overturn the decisions. The drama queen act is getting old.

SCOTUS decided Obamacare is a tax too, but doesn't make it right. Courts have said Obama acted illegally on immigration too, but didn't stop him.

As for the name calling, I will not respond. The any drama is how liberal you buddy running for President is.

[Free Vulcan]

You have a great imagination. Do you write fiction for a livelihood?

Do you think retorts in clever little word arrangments actually pass for real thought?

Trump is the incarnation of Nixon. Everybody sees it but the Trumpers.

[Free Vulcan]

You're confused. The POTUS can NOT overturn SCOTUS decisions.

Cruz was unpopular with his peers and apparently wasn't that popular with the electorate. Cruz comes off as impersonal, staid and a right wing ideologue. Trump has a better chance of being successful because he can be persuasive. All evidence indicates Cruz can't be or isn't persuasive.

And yet he polled better than Trump in the general at every turn.

[A-Lert]

And yet he polled better than Trump in the general at every turn.

If polls were 100% accurate we wouldn't need elections would we?