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Social Security moves to block the mentally ill from purchasing guns
 

By Tim Devaney - 05/04/16 04:13 PM EDT

The Social Security Administration (SSA) is proposing to report people who receive disability benefits and have a mental health condition to the FBI’s background check system.

The proposal, which stems from a memorandum that President Obama issued in 2013, would essentially block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

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The SSA, which will propose the rule in Thursday's edition of the Federal Register, says it plans to notify disability beneficiaries who might be reported and establish a process for them to appeal their placement in the FBI’s background check system.

The proposal is just the latest attempt by the Obama administration to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.

Similar efforts by the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) have been met with controversy. Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) has accused the VA of reporting veterans to the FBI simply because they cannot manage their personal finances and must be assigned a fiduciary.

According to Grassley, 99 percent of the people the FBI prohibits from owning guns because they are considered “mentally defective” come from the VA.


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I have no problem with this. Nearly all the mass shooting are done by crazed individuals not responsible gun owners.


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The SSA has no such power, of course. I'll wait for Congress to act.... but I won't hold my breath

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I have no problem with this. Nearly all the mass shooting are done by crazed individuals not responsible gun owners.

So you think the Social Security Administration is the proper agency to decide who can have their Constitutional rights taken away, because I don't

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So you think the Social Security Administration is the proper agency to decide who can have their Constitutional rights taken away, because I don't

The SSA is only providing information. They are not taking away Constitutional rights. As far as I know, SSA disability isn't a Constitutional right.

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This kind of thought always sounds good, until you remember who decides who the "crazies" are. I would rather the government not ever start down that path.
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This kind of thought always sounds good, until you remember who decides who the "crazies" are. I would rather the government not ever start down that path.

The SSA makes their decision based on medical and psychiatric evaluation and evidence. Do you support handing out mental disability payments without medical proof? Mental illness is a major problem and the proliferation of illegal and legal drugs isn't helping.

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I have no problem with this. Nearly all the mass shooting are done by crazed individuals not responsible gun owners.
Of course mentally unstable people should not have weapons. Yet wanna bet who teamobama will call crazy before they call the unstable ones crazy? This is from a administration that just released violent prisoners who had gun charges out in the public. They plan to release all BLM violent felons from prisons soon.

This is coming from a administration that let the San Bernadino killers in country even though they knew the one was full on sharia. This is also coming from a administration that is letting violent illegals in our towns. They don't even stop them from coming in country. Rant off.


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The SSA makes their decision based on medical and psychiatric evaluation and evidence. Do you support handing out mental disability payments without medical proof? Mental illness is a major problem and the proliferation of illegal and legal drugs isn't helping.
What does any of that have to do with purchasing guns? Shall not be infringed is pretty clear.
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Of course mentally unstable people should not have weapons. Yet wanna bet who teamobama will call crazy before they call the unstable ones crazy? This is from a administration that just released violent prisoners who had gun charges out in the public. They plan to release all BLM violent felons from prisons soon.

This is coming from a administration that let the San Bernadino killers in country even though they knew the one was full on sharia. This is also coming from a administration that is letting violent illegals in our towns. They don't even stop them from coming in country. Rant off.
Given the number of other dangerous things people can get their hands on from cars to baseballs bats, if someone isn't sane enough to be trusted with a firearm, why are they walking the streets?
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Re: Social Security moves to block the mentally ill from purchasing guns
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2016, 11:09:14 pm »
The SSA makes their decision based on medical and psychiatric evaluation and evidence. Do you support handing out mental disability payments without medical proof? Mental illness is a major problem and the proliferation of illegal and legal drugs isn't helping.
This SSA is run by anti-Americans who hate Christians and cannot have anyone own weapons. We will be the first on the target list. Heck we already are. They are coming for our guns first, stating a fact that someone is mentally unstable because they are against something this admin  is for. By the way.....did you know they have a clause that lets known terrorist sharia types buy guns? You know the regime has known of this for years...yet they haven't stopped that clause and when it was tried to in congress it was shut down.

No way they will use this to stop the real mentally unstable people. It is about disarming us, all of us.


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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2016, 11:13:47 pm »
Given the number of other dangerous things people can get their hands on from cars to baseballs bats, if someone isn't sane enough to be trusted with a firearm, why are they walking the streets?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/special/excerpt.html

Deinstitutionalization is the name given to the policy of moving severely mentally ill people out of large state institutions and then closing part or all of those institutions; it has been a major contributing factor to the mental illness crisis. (The term also describes a similar process for mentally retarded people, but the focus of this book is exclusively on severe mental illnesses.)

Deinstitutionalization began in 1955 with the widespread introduction of chlorpromazine, commonly known as Thorazine, the first effective antipsychotic medication, and received a major impetus 10 years later with the enactment of federal Medicaid and Medicare. Deinstitutionalization has two parts: the moving of the severely mentally ill out of the state institutions, and the closing of part or all of those institutions. The former affects people who are already mentally ill. The latter affects those who become ill after the policy has gone into effect and for the indefinite future because hospital beds have been permanently eliminated.

The magnitude of deinstitutionalization of the severely mentally ill qualifies it as one of the largest social experiments in American history. In 1955, there were 558,239 severely mentally ill patients in the nation's public psychiatric hospitals. In 1994, this number had been reduced by 486,620 patients, to 71,619, as seen in Figure 1.2. It is important to note, however, that the census of 558,239 patients in public psychiatric hospitals in 1955 was in relationship to the nation's total population at the time, which was 164 million.

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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2016, 11:16:39 pm »
This SSA is run by anti-Americans who hate Christians and cannot have anyone own weapons. We will be the first on the target list. Heck we already are. They are coming for our guns first, stating a fact that someone is mentally unstable because they are against something this admin  is for. By the way.....did you know they have a clause that lets known terrorist sharia types buy guns? You know the regime has known of this for years...yet they haven't stopped that clause and when it was tried to in congress it was shut down.

No way they will use this to stop the real mentally unstable people. It is about disarming us, all of us.

One has to apply for SSA mental disability. The SSA just doesn't pick people out and adjudicate them.

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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2016, 11:39:54 pm »
One has to apply for SSA mental disability. The SSA just doesn't pick people out and adjudicate them.
I guess you haven't been paying attention to the last 7 years. This admin targets all who are not with them. Example Louis Lerner. I just don't agree with this one A-lert.


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« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2016, 11:50:22 pm »
I guess you haven't been paying attention to the last 7 years. This admin targets all who are not with them. Example Louis Lerner. I just don't agree with this one A-lert.

I completely agree about the designs of the liberals and the fact I believe Hillary would be worse than Obama  for not only the 2nd Amendment, but all rights. However, the SSA  IMO isn't the government administration to fear.

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Re: Social Security moves to block the mentally ill from purchasing guns
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2016, 12:17:51 am »
I completely agree about the designs of the liberals and the fact I believe Hillary would be worse than Obama  for not only the 2nd Amendment, but all rights. However, the SSA  IMO isn't the government administration to fear.
  I trust none of them anymore. This will be used against anyone owning firearms. That is why it is being started. :tinfoil:


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Re: Social Security moves to block the mentally ill from purchasing guns
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2016, 12:27:39 am »
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/asylums/special/excerpt.html

Deinstitutionalization is the name given to the policy of moving severely mentally ill people out of large state institutions and then closing part or all of those institutions; it has been a major contributing factor to the mental illness crisis. (The term also describes a similar process for mentally retarded people, but the focus of this book is exclusively on severe mental illnesses.)

They called it "Care in the Community" in the UK.

Same shit though - releasing people who really NEEDED the support and protection. Of course, the so called plans to provide the same support on the outside never came to much. End result? A lot of homeless people on the streets with serious, untreated mental problems.  :shrug:
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Re: Social Security moves to block the mentally ill from purchasing guns
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2016, 01:35:43 am »
How many shooters are on disability benefits for mental illness? Probably very few. Another solution that isn't really a solution.

This will just discourage the mentally ill from seeking help.

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« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2016, 04:10:01 pm »
This kind of thought always sounds good, until you remember who decides who the "crazies" are. I would rather the government not ever start down that path.

The definition of "crazy"  ALGORE says people that do not believe in climate change are crazy.  Obama and his ilk believe that those who want a gun for their protection are crazy, etc,

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« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2016, 04:41:35 pm »
The definition of "crazy"  ALGORE says people that do not believe in climate change are crazy.  Obama and his ilk believe that those who want a gun for their protection are crazy, etc,

Don"t start regulation, you will en up like Soviet Union, passing by EU in the middle.
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Re: Social Security moves to block the mentally ill from purchasing guns
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2016, 05:19:05 pm »
The definition of "crazy"  ALGORE says people that do not believe in climate change are crazy.  Obama and his ilk believe that those who want a gun for their protection are crazy, etc,
Exactly.


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« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2016, 05:57:20 pm »
This kind of thought always sounds good, until you remember who decides who the "crazies" are. I would rather the government not ever start down that path.
I seem to recall a federal entity describing returning veterans and Christians as potential terrorists. How can we rely on any determination of sanity by this bunch of bigots? The feds can call crazy whomever they please - and we're powerless.
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Re: Social Security moves to block the mentally ill from purchasing guns
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2016, 07:14:27 pm »
I seem to recall a federal entity describing returning veterans and Christians as potential terrorists. How can we rely on any determination of sanity by this bunch of bigots? The feds can call crazy whomever they please - and we're powerless.
Also don't forget that they have doctors asking patients if they own guns.  All it will take is for the government to require doctors to report patients who have acknowledged having a gun and mentioned to their doctor that they were under stress or angry about something.  It has Big Brother written all over it.
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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2016, 09:28:28 pm »
Also don't forget that they have doctors asking patients if they own guns.  All it will take is for the government to require doctors to report patients who have acknowledged having a gun and mentioned to their doctor that they were under stress or angry about something.  It has Big Brother written all over it.
I suspect doctors will have to report to some bureaucrat anyone for whom they prescribe anti-depressants, anti-anxiety meds and the like, even if they were prescribed for insomnia and not mental issues (HIPAA be damned).
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Re: Social Security moves to block the mentally ill from purchasing guns
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2016, 09:35:07 pm »
My family doctor knows what I own (well maybe not all).  Small town America.