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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #375 on: May 09, 2016, 07:49:28 pm »
Because it either repeats or rhymes, often both at the same time.

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The history book on the shelf
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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #376 on: May 09, 2016, 08:06:26 pm »
My my
At Waterloo Napoleon did surrender
Oh yeah
And I have met my destiny in quite a similar way
The history book on the shelf
Is always repeating itself

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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #377 on: May 09, 2016, 08:36:20 pm »
How exactly can he convince those who despise him? He signed the GOP pledge. He has endorsements from plenty of credible conservatives who are shredded by the neverTrumps for supporting him.

Well... first you figure out what is about yourself that makes them despise you.   Then you endeavor to have some change and personal growth that might make you a better person who will be less despised.   That is if you actually give a flip?    Of course, that's easier to do when you're in your 30's than it is when you're 70. 
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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #378 on: May 09, 2016, 08:54:27 pm »
Well... first you figure out what is about yourself that makes them despise you.   Then you endeavor to have some change and personal growth that might make you a better person who will be less despised.   That is if you actually give a flip?    Of course, that's easier to do when you're in your 30's than it is when you're 70.

I'm not trying to argue.   But I would like to know what it is you need to hear from Donald Trump to consider voting for him.  Please, I am being serious here, so resist the impulse to be flippant.

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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #379 on: May 09, 2016, 09:03:56 pm »
BS.  Even a fifth grader knows that 'US Government' and 'Federal Government' are the same thing.  But then Donald Trump couldn't pass a fifth grade civics test.  So as it pertains to Trump, you may be correct.
Actually that is Wrong. The US is not a Single Central Government and the Term "States" is Plural, The Proper way to identify just the federal government is "The United States Federal Government." Civics 101- we are a dual government system in this country not a mono Government system - but that is not taught in public schools anymore I guess.

10th Amendment people should understand this;The States are the Dominate entities and the Servant is the federal government.
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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #380 on: May 09, 2016, 09:05:53 pm »
I'm not trying to argue.   But I would like to know what it is you need to hear from Donald Trump to consider voting for him.  Please, I am being serious here, so resist the impulse to be flippant.

Thanks.

Literally, nothing. Falls under the category of yet another campaign promise... Of which, there are many, in every possible direction.

Conservative hold that the record is a good judge of character, and necessarily outweighs any promises from the stump.

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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #381 on: May 09, 2016, 09:06:59 pm »
Well... first you figure out what is about yourself that makes them despise you.   Then you endeavor to have some change and personal growth that might make you a better person who will be less despised.   That is if you actually give a flip?    Of course, that's easier to do when you're in your 30's than it is when you're 70. 

Yup.  However, in Trump's case that is going to be really hard because in his book he admitted that he lies in negotiations to get what he wants, although he calls it "truthful hyperbole", which means it's going to take more than just flattery and pretty promises.  It doesn't help that he's already started adopting standard liberal positions on things like taxes, or that he's hired liberal suck up Christie to lead his transition team. 

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« Reply #382 on: May 09, 2016, 09:28:22 pm »
We don't need no outdated Constitution!  Give the First Amendment a rest!  We NEED Il Duce to make America great again and that means you must sit down, shut up or go to prison…. or worse later.



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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #383 on: May 09, 2016, 09:31:09 pm »
10th Amendment people should understand this;The States are the Dominate entities and the Servant is the federal government.

Not any more.  Just ask Arizona and North Carolina.

The GOP along with the Marxists made the Federal Beast, Supreme over all according to it's own whims and dictates.

FACT, because it is exercised as such with little to no resistance.
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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #384 on: May 09, 2016, 11:55:39 pm »
We don't need no outdated Constitution!  Give the First Amendment a rest!  We NEED Il Duce to make America great again and that means you must sit down, shut up or go to prison…. or worse later.
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« Reply #386 on: May 10, 2016, 12:29:15 am »
C'mon guys.  Mystery has asked really nicely over on the welcome thread to please not post that stuff here.  Maybe we can all respect her and the forum...and keep the mods the heck away.   :laugh:
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« Reply #387 on: May 10, 2016, 12:30:53 am »
It's not only troubling, it's incredibly depressing to see how ignorant people have become about the role that religion & faith played in the formation of this country. As we are tearing down the Judeo-Christian values that formed this country we see the rise of a crude vulgar mob mentality. I never expect anything classy from the democrats. They are the party of slavery. The Republicans were moving towards embracing conservatism despite the best efforts of their elites to fight it, but Trump has ended that. I think we will be in for a long hard fight regardless of who wins in Nov.

Yes, it is very depressing and no doubt we are in for very long fight.  I made hundreds of phone calls in several different states for Cruz.  One in particular sticks in my mind, the person on the other end  stated he couldn't vote for Cruz because he is some kind of religious nut.  I quickly thanked him for taking my call and hung up before I told him what I really thought.

You are exactly correct; we are seeing the rise of crude, vulgar, mob mentality led by Donald J. Trump.

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« Reply #388 on: May 10, 2016, 12:33:34 am »
....One in particular sticks in my mind, the person on the other end  stated he couldn't vote for Cruz because he is some kind of religious nut. ...


And, that meme was spread by those supposedly on our side.  It IS depressing.

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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #389 on: May 10, 2016, 04:24:20 am »
I'm not trying to argue.   But I would like to know what it is you need to hear from Donald Trump to consider voting for him.  Please, I am being serious here, so resist the impulse to be flippant.

Thanks.

I think if he states his positions in detail and sticks to them, that would help. Also acknowledge ideas and policies where he and other candidates who have dropped out are similar,would make others more likely to come around.
The "us against the world" stance won't work.
Being a "different kind of republican" can mean any thing you want it to. More/ less conservative?
Be specific and reach out. Huckabee did nothing to help this cause today.

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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #390 on: May 10, 2016, 05:08:24 am »
Characterizing his supporters is of no interest to me.

Exactly.  I don't care who votes for him.  I will not vote for him.  :nothappen:

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« Reply #391 on: May 11, 2016, 08:13:08 pm »
No we believe hes a liar because he is one. He voted to Renew the Patriot Act. That negates any claim hes a Constitutional Conservative. He has flipped so much its not funny, pushed Amnesty and pushed the globalist agenda.
Proof:
Consistent Globalist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXcYCwaBKnQ&app=desktop
Consistent Flip Flopper: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftY8UjxeqTk&feature=youtu.be
Consistent Amnesty pusher:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuGzdyt0xOc  and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CwVrfydjOI
Texas InsiderTed Cruz’s Law Firm Backed Obama, Other National Democrat Campaigns -
http://linkis.com/www.texasinsider.org/zdEEh
Cruz's Gay Funding http://austinist.com/2012/07/06/ted_cruzs_big_gay_donor.php and
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/ted-cruz-gay-marriage-secret-audio-217090
much more and its not from Trump

Senator Cruz co-sponsored the USA Freedom Act to reform the Patriotic Act, addressing the important but very knotty idea of “probable cause”—a Constitutional concept that we definitely need to address carefully in wartime.  The NRA backed Cruz’s bill as a needed improvement on the Patriot Act.  Rand Paul, however, essentially wanted the Patriot Act killed, not fixed—so he opposed the USA Freedom Act, even with its reforms.

Some extreme libertarians regarded Senator Paul’s opposition to the USA Freedom Act as heroic, but I say that his opposition to Cruz’s USA Freedom Act was naïve.  (A lot of libertarian views are naïve and destructive, I’m afraid.)  The extreme libertarians also tried to characterize Cruz as an anti-Constitutional hypocrite for sponsoring the USA Freedom Act, but I say that Cruz was launching a necessary and legislatively shrewd measure to limit Federal powers within the Act.  If he had not done that, the Patriot Act would likely have been renewed with no reforms—as McConnell was evidently hoping!
 
It will be forever argued, I suppose, that the USA Freedom Act did not do enough to limit Federal surveillance power.  I get that.  However, there will always be sincere and Constitutionally sincere conservatives who will counter-argue that the Patriot Act must not be completely shredded while we are at war.  The Act was written as an anti-terrorist Act with sunsetting provisions built into it;  more importantly, the Patriot Act has helped us to thwart a number of potentially devastating attacks on American soil.

You must not be so naïve, under the circumstances that I have explained above, as to say flatfootedly that Cruz is not really a Constitutional conservative.  You really don’t know whereof you speak.  And if that charge offends you, I will now double down on it.  I submit that you are badly confused only because in your zeal to promote Lovely Mr. Trump and to fight as his devoted foot soldier against Trump’s unspeakably nasty opponent, you have learned (with insidious coaching) to DESPISE an unusually GOOD man like Cruz—and, at the same time, decided for your own too-simplistic libertarian reasons to make the Patriot Act a kind of centerpiece of your less than-thoughtful outrage against Cruz.
 
If, on the other hand, the Patriot Act is SUPREMELY important to you in this election year, thereby justifying (?) your judgmental outrage even to the point of unfairly calling Cruz a liar, a Constitutional phony—then you are the hypocrite.

Why do I say that, Mechanicos?  It is because your idol Donald Trump is strongly PRO-Patriot Act.  He is a BIG GOVERNMENT GUY—and also a heavy-handed egotist.  He is precisely the sort of guy you should be afraid to put into the White House.  In other words, I say that you don’t have good discernment faculties.  You have cheered on a lying monster while he and his surrogates have been crucifying a good man through false accusation.

Let me illustrate further:

You have declared that Cruz is an extreme flip flopper.  This is almost hilarious, coming from the Trump camp.  Why haven’t you noticed this?  Trump is not so much a Republican as a populist (like his NYC buddy Bloomberg) who will say anything to get elected—which is why he has had to walk back almost every position he has publicly taken.  Cruz is a rock compared to a shifting-sands guy like Trump.
 
You have tried to tar and feather Cruz as an insider hypocrite because “Cruz’s Texas Law Firm” donated to Democrats.  But it was not Cruz’s law firm.  Cruz worked there, but he was certainly not the owner or Managing Partner.  (By the same token, the claim that Cruz was Boehner’s lawyer is stupid.  Boehner used the Texas-based law firm where Cruz was a low-level rookie who never had any interaction with Boehner.)

You have tried to smear Cruz for accepting a big donation from a gay Republican.  But so what if Cruz took the donation?  The Log Cabin Republicans are generally a lot more conservative than Trump is.  And many of them will support a guy like Cruz even though they know that Cruz is resolutely opposed to gay marriage and determined to stop the persecution of Christians (and others) who will not endorse gay marriage.
 
Cutting to the chase, let me give you some links that should shock the living hell out of generally honest but confused Trumpster.  (I will charitably assume that a few of you guys are just low-information voters—rather than antichristian, self-deceived bigots.)   Following is just a small sampling of links from one of the best websites on the planet: 

http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/05/trumps-three-huge-lies-about-cruz/
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/04/flashback-ted-cruz-responding-to-globalist-smear-video/
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/02/crazy-town-silly-accusations-aimed-at-ted-cruz-reported-as-fact/
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/02/2013-flashback-ted-cruz-speaks-out-against-gang-of-eight-bill-video/
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/02/watch-cnn-correspondents-lose-it-over-ted-cruz-liar-bs-video/
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/02/article-at-theweek-blatantly-lies-about-ted-cruz/
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/02/does-donald-trump-believe-in-limited-government/
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/01/invasion-must-see-new-ted-cruz-ad/
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/04/no-cruz-was-not-john-boehners-lawyer/
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/04/donald-trumps-huge-admiration-for-globalists/
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/04/patrick-ruffini-truth-about-trumps-twitter-trolls/
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/04/roger-stones-thebigsteal-is-really-thebiglie/
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/03/ted-cruz-is-a-globalist-yeah-and-im-the-tooth-fairy/
http://www.trevorloudon.com/2016/03/honest-donald-wont-release-his-tax-returns-exaggerated-wealth-planned-parenthood-donations-mafia-ties/

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If and when it dawns on you that Trump is the lying fraud in the primary process—not Cruz—you will finally understand why there are so many #NeverTrump guys and gals.  (Have you never honestly wondered why there are so many eloquently angry denunciations of Trump here on our Forum and on conservative websites?)



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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #392 on: May 11, 2016, 08:16:39 pm »
Senator Cruz co-sponsored the USA Freedom Act to reform the Patriotic Act, addressing the important but very knotty idea of “probable cause”—a Constitutional concept that we definitely need to address carefully in wartime.  The NRA backed Cruz’s bill as a needed improvement on the Patriot Act.  Rand Paul, however, essentially wanted the Patriot Act killed, not fixed—so he opposed the USA Freedom Act, even with its reforms. ...


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If and when it dawns on you that Trump is the lying fraud in the primary process—not Cruz—you will finally understand why there are so many #NeverTrump guys and gals.  (Have you never honestly wondered why there are so many eloquently angry denunciations of Trump here on our Forum and on conservative websites?)

Exactly!!  Great post!   :beer:
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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #393 on: May 11, 2016, 08:24:21 pm »
Throw enough at the wall hoping it will stick. It did not. The facts I posted show Cruz is a North American Union supporting Globalist that sold conservatives out several times in favor of open borders and rip-off trade deals.

Can's spin away the consistent Globalist actions he has done. once you get past 3 of them its not defensible. No matter how much one pounds the table.
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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #394 on: May 12, 2016, 01:00:05 am »
Throw enough at the wall hoping it will stick. It did not. The facts I posted show Cruz is a North American Union supporting Globalist that sold conservatives out several times in favor of open borders and rip-off trade deals.

Can's spin away the consistent Globalist actions he has done. once you get past 3 of them its not defensible. No matter how much one pounds the table.

It is not possible that you have checked out my documentation.  (That is typical of Trumpsters, as the majority of folks on this forum have noticed.)  As I have shown in my post, the Globalist smear is ridiculous.  There are a few conspiratorial dingbats who want a North American Union to replace a sovereign USA, but Cruz is not one of them.  Cruz is a strong anti-Communist.  Globalism is socialism is communism.  He is no less nationalistic than Trump and likely more so.  Besides, Cruz advocated for building the wall before Trump grabbed the issue as his biggest campaign theme.  (Trump got all the press merely because he is a loud, vulgar blowhard.)

I win.  You think not.  That bothers me none.  (I will always laugh when I remember you as the guy who claimed that Trump is a Christian and that Cruz is a vicious liar.)   

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« Reply #395 on: May 12, 2016, 01:15:41 am »

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    Senator Cruz co-sponsored the USA Freedom Act to reform the Patriotic Act, addressing the important but very knotty idea of “probable cause”—a Constitutional concept that we definitely need to address carefully in wartime.  The NRA backed Cruz’s bill as a needed improvement on the Patriot Act.  Rand Paul, however, essentially wanted the Patriot Act killed, not fixed—so he opposed the USA Freedom Act, even with its reforms. ...


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    If and when it dawns on you that Trump is the lying fraud in the primary process—not Cruz—you will finally understand why there are so many #NeverTrump guys and gals.  (Have you never honestly wondered why there are so many eloquently angry denunciations of Trump here on our Forum and on conservative websites?)

Exactly!!  Great post!   :beer:

Yes, that is a great post.  I'm beginning to suspect that John Boehner is posting here when I read stuff like what @the_doc was responding to.

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« Reply #396 on: May 12, 2016, 01:16:09 am »
It is not possible that you have checked out my documentation.  (That is typical of Trumpsters, as the majority of folks on this forum have noticed.)  As I have shown in my post, the Globalist smear is ridiculous.  There are a few conspiratorial dingbats who want a North American Union to replace a sovereign USA, but Cruz is not one of them.  Cruz is a strong anti-Communist.  Globalism is socialism is communism.  He is no less nationalistic than Trump and likely more so.  Besides, Cruz advocated for building the wall before Trump grabbed the issue as his biggest campaign theme.  (Trump got all the press merely because he is a loud, vulgar blowhard.)

I win.  You think not.  That bothers me none.  (I will always laugh when I remember you as the guy who claimed that Trump is a Christian and that Cruz is a vicious liar.)   

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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #397 on: May 12, 2016, 01:17:01 am »
Welcome @the_doc !  You are indeed a hero member.

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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #398 on: May 12, 2016, 01:24:36 am »
That's a very fair question.

I need to hear some clear acknowledgement/apology for the personal attacks he made against other candidates and/or their families during the primary.  Until then, I believe his conduct was so abysmally below the minimal standard we have a right to expect of a Presidential candidate that I can't, in good conscience, reward that behavior with a vote.

And that is more than just unimportant window-dressing", too, because I think the tone he set by doing that essentially has poisoned the entire atmosphere in the party, and perhaps even chased some good people out of wanting to be involved.  I want the message sent to future Republican candidates that you can't ever behave like that and expect to get the support of the party.  Being "different" has to be more than just being a gutter-slob.  He can't undue what he did, but an apology would go a long way to mitigating the long-term impact of how he behaved.

I don't expect Trump do to that, so I don't expect to vote for him.  But that's what it would take for me.

Okay.  But the problem with your need, as I see it, is the next hurdle for you will be Trump convincing you he means the apology --- moving from silly to madness in the blink of an eye.

I'll resist the urge to caution you not to throw the baby out with the bath water and instead respect your decision not to support Donald Trump.

Thank you for your reply. 



 

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Re: The War on Trump Supporters Must Stop
« Reply #399 on: May 12, 2016, 04:04:51 pm »
Welcome @the_doc !  You are indeed a hero member.

Your thank you note--from a fellow Texan, no less--means a lot, Sanguine.  (Hey. is it time to secede yet?)