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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2016, 08:13:00 pm »
If neither side is willing to make compromises on anything then nothing will ever improve.
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2016, 08:15:23 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on April 22, 2016, 08:11:56 pm
  Out of curiosity, if Trump selects Kasich as his VP would you then vote for Trump?

No.
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2016, 08:22:09 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on April 22, 2016, 08:13:00 pm
If neither side is willing to make compromises on anything then nothing will ever improve.

That's reality, and why IMO modern-day conservatives have a death wish IMO.   Kasich has a long and distinguished career, a career of genuine accomplishment.   Yet the mud is being slung fast and hard.   I've said repeatedly that I'd support Cruz; it's in my nature to recognize that the perfect can be the enemy of the good.  But Kasich is just a "moron" to you folks.  I'm just disgusted by this destructive attitude.  Because, ultimately, it is self-destructive.   

What's the effing use?  We may as well resign ourselves to liberal hegemony. We're too stupid/prideful/combative to see the merits in our fellow conservatives' positions.  We'll never stick together like we used to, for the greater good.  It's all about attack, demonize and destroy.    A good man like Kasich doesn't deserve this.   

But we will get the President we deserve.       
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2016, 08:24:29 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on April 22, 2016, 08:13:00 pm
If neither side is willing to make compromises on anything then nothing will ever improve.


Compromise is why we are at this point today.

Oh, and I voted for Reagan...Kasick is no Reagan. Not in any way shape or form. Even if first elected around the same time.. that does not make him a conservative..Reagan or otherwise.
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2016, 08:29:10 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on April 22, 2016, 08:13:00 pm
If neither side is willing to make compromises on anything then nothing will ever improve.

The Republicans have been compromising everything, that is why they are hated.
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2016, 08:45:00 pm »
Quote from: Dexter on April 22, 2016, 08:13:00 pm
If neither side is willing to make compromises on anything then nothing will ever improve.
That notion assumes a static system, where two sides are equally matched, at an impasse, and all efforts lead to everything staying put.

That's not true in a system where the Democrats have slowly but steadily been gaining. If inertia holds, progressivism will continue to make gains until it has pure hegemony or the nation collapses, whichever comes first. A radical change of course—requiring disruptive and direct force—is what is needed to correct the slow leftward creep that has accelerated into a rapid gallop the past decade.
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2016, 08:48:01 pm »
Quote from: geronl on April 22, 2016, 08:29:10 pm
The Republicans have been compromising everything, that is why they are hated.

Unlike you, my political enemies are Democrats, not Republicans.  But go right ahead, keep trashing your fellow conservatives and Republicans.  Don't you want old Reagan folks like me to lift a finger to help TEA party Ted?   Sure doesn't sound like it.   
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2016, 08:49:56 pm »
Quote from: geronl on April 22, 2016, 08:29:10 pm
The Republicans have been compromising everything, that is why they are hated.
The Republicans compromise on the wrong issues, for sure.
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2016, 08:51:47 pm »
Quote from: jmyrlefuller on April 22, 2016, 08:45:00 pm
That notion assumes a static system, where two sides are equally matched, at an impasse, and all efforts lead to everything staying put.

That's not true in a system where the Democrats have slowly but steadily been gaining. If inertia holds, progressivism will continue to make gains until it has pure hegemony or the nation collapses, whichever comes first. A radical change of course—requiring disruptive and direct force—is what is needed to correct the slow leftward creep that has accelerated into a rapid gallop the past decade.

No, we don't need anything more radical than a Republican President backed by a Republican Congress.   That is what Kasich can provide.   If Cruz or Trump is the nominee and loses to Clinton in a landslide, he'll take the Senate with him and there goes the Supreme Court for a generation.   THEN we may need a revolution - but the conservative movement will have committed suicide.   
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2016, 08:54:19 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on April 22, 2016, 08:48:01 pm
Unlike you, my political enemies are Democrats, not Republicans.

Would it were, that Kasich felt the same way.
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2016, 09:20:45 pm »
Quote from: Fantom on April 22, 2016, 08:54:19 pm
Would it were, that Kasich felt the same way.

 :beer:  By the way, welcome!
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2016, 10:04:12 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on April 22, 2016, 09:20:45 pm
:beer:  By the way, welcome!

Thanks for the welcome.

Likely I will beat many a dead horse in these parts.  :smokin:
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2016, 10:15:39 pm »
Quote from: Fantom on April 22, 2016, 10:04:12 pm
Thanks for the welcome.

Likely I will beat many a dead horse in these parts.  :smokin:

No worries.  We rescued those horses from becoming part of The Trump Steak Collection. They were to tender to make the cut.
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #38 on: April 22, 2016, 10:24:30 pm »
Quote from: flowers on April 22, 2016, 07:35:35 pm
Hey did you know Kasich father was a mailman?   Nothing conservative about Kasich. NOTHING.

What does a father being a mailman have to do with conservatism?

You use that as justification for your charge that Kasich is not conservative.
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #39 on: April 22, 2016, 10:34:41 pm »
Quote from: Fantom on April 22, 2016, 08:24:29 pm

Compromise is why we are at this point today.

Oh, and I voted for Reagan...Kasick is no Reagan. Not in any way shape or form. Even if first elected around the same time.. that does not make him a conservative..Reagan or otherwise.

It's the exact opposite.  By failing to compromise, by 'taking our ball and going home'... meant that we had no voice in crafting significant legislation.  And we've gummed up the basic functions of government to such an extent that we now have Trump campaigning on how government doesn't work anymore.
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #40 on: April 22, 2016, 10:36:22 pm »
Quote from: geronl on April 22, 2016, 08:29:10 pm
The Republicans have been compromising everything, that is why they are hated.

No, we've been walking out in protest... leaving everything to the Democrats and then whining about how we don't like it.
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« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2016, 10:46:22 pm »
Quote from: HonestJohn on April 22, 2016, 10:36:22 pm
No, we've been walking out in protest... leaving everything to the Democrats and then whining about how we don't like it.

We certainly have that perfected.  Down to a science.
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #42 on: April 22, 2016, 10:53:53 pm »
Quote from: HonestJohn on April 22, 2016, 10:36:22 pm
No, we've been walking out in protest... leaving everything to the Democrats and then whining about how we don't like it.

No we haven't!  We have been REFUSING to use the powers grated us by the constitution because  we fear that doing so might ruffle a few feathers!
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« Reply #43 on: April 22, 2016, 11:03:01 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on April 22, 2016, 10:53:53 pm
No we haven't!  We have been REFUSING to use the powers grated us by the constitution because  we fear that doing so might ruffle a few feathers!

Bigun.  The results are the same.
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #44 on: April 22, 2016, 11:09:34 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on April 22, 2016, 11:03:01 pm
Bigun.  The results are the same.

I can't and won't argue with that but I  think it important to be accurate as to the cause!
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #45 on: April 22, 2016, 11:09:49 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on April 22, 2016, 10:53:53 pm
No we haven't!  We have been REFUSING to use the powers grated us by the constitution because  we fear that doing so might ruffle a few feathers!

Precisely! If the republicans would play the same hardball the democrats do, we could win some change.

I do not remember any Republican "walkout".. The democrats have done so many times. Now if the Repubs would send a funding bill.. say for military or SS through Congress.. even if they have to get rid of the filibuster in the Senate.. like the dems did on judicial nominees.. land that on the Pres desk and dare him not to sign it.

If he vetoes it, hold a vote to override. If it fails send it back again to his desk. All the while letting The People know that republicans are funding SS, The Military. Don't pass another bill until it is signed or overridden.

Rinse, repeat until we get to the spending the far left wants... then we compromise. Rather they have to compromise with us.

But no all I hear is "we need the house"... "we can't do anything but give obama what he wants because we need the Senate"... we can't stop obama without the Presidency........ HorseCrap is that.

The far left democrats sure have gotten their way with far less power.

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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2016, 11:11:55 pm »
Quote from: Fantom on April 22, 2016, 11:09:49 pm
Precisely! If the republicans would play the same hardball the democrats do, we could win some change.

I do not remember any Republican "walkout".. The democrats have done so many times. Now if the Repubs would send a funding bill.. say for military or SS through Congress.. even if they have to get rid of the filibuster in the Senate.. like the dems did on judicial nominees.. land that on the Pres desk and dare him not to sign it.

If he vetoes it, hold a vote to override. If it fails send it back again to his desk. All the while letting The People know that republicans are funding SS, The Military. Don't pass another bill until it is signed or overridden.

Rinse, repeat until we get to the spending the far left wants... then we compromise.

But no all I hear is "we need the house"... "we can't do anything but give obama what he wants because we need the Senate"... we can't stop obama without the Presidency........ HorseCrap is that.

The far left democrats sure have gotten their way with far less power.

Right on!  F.IGHT!   :beer:
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Re: John Kasich wishes more Republicans liked Democrats’ ideas
« Reply #47 on: April 22, 2016, 11:19:39 pm »
Kasich is a joke and he is not a conservative of any kind. Republicans are hated right now for not using their power but handing over everything to Obama. To me it looks like they do nothing but kiss Obama's butt. Right now there is no difference in the parties. I like Trump because he is what he says he is. You may not think so but I do. I have checked him out and I know he is more of a moderate but he vows to change what I want changed and that is enough for me. I was just asked to be a delegate for Trump from my state and I wish I could but my back is such I can't walk around like I use to so I can't do it.
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« Reply #48 on: April 22, 2016, 11:22:22 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on April 22, 2016, 10:53:53 pm
No we haven't!  We have been REFUSING to use the powers grated us by the constitution because  we fear that doing so might ruffle a few feathers!

You are talking about the capitulation portion of the triad.  Conservatives have a triangle of behavior seen in the last 10 years or so.  It goes like this: "Obstruct/block legislation - walk out in protest - capitulate when crisis arises".

Nowhere in this model is there compromise.
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« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2016, 11:27:00 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on April 22, 2016, 11:09:34 pm
I can't and won't argue with that but I  think it important to be accurate as to the cause!

Carry on.  Point taken
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