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Donald Trump, Losing Ground, Tries to Blame the System
« on: April 13, 2016, 01:19:45 pm »
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Donald Trump, Losing Ground, Tries to Blame the System


Trump Says System Is 'Rigged'
 

By JEREMY W. PETERS and JONATHAN MARTIN

APRIL 12, 2016

WASHINGTON — Donald J. Trump and his allies are engaged in an aggressive effort to undermine the Republican nominating process by framing it as rigged and corrupt, hoping to compensate for organizational deficiencies that have left Mr. Trump with an increasingly precarious path to the nomination.

Their message: The election is being stolen from him.

On Tuesday, Mr. Trump berated the politicians he said were trying to stop his nomination and denounced the Republican Party, which he cast as complicit in the theft.

“Our Republican system is absolutely rigged. It’s a phony deal,” he said, accusing party leaders of maneuvering to cut his supporters out of the process. “They wanted to keep people out. This is a dirty trick.”

His charges built on comments in the last few days by associates, senior advisers and Mr. Trump himself, seeking to cast a shadow of illegitimacy over the local and state contests to select delegates to the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in July.

By blaming the process rather than his own inadequacies as a manager, Mr. Trump is trying to shift focus after Senator Ted Cruz of Texas outmaneuvered him in delegate contests in states like Colorado, North Dakota and Iowa, losses that could end up denying Mr. Trump the nomination.


Asked about the appearance of disorganization, Mr. Trump said in an interview, “You have to remember I’m leading.” He added, “I’m more than 200 delegates ahead, so over all, I’m doing very well.”

But in what sounded like a wink-wink aside, he said, “Don’t forget, I only complain about the ones where we have difficulty.”

The new approach is a tacit admission that Mr. Trump’s campaign, which has been so reliant on national news coverage and mass communication via Twitter, has not been able to compete in the often intimate and personal game that is delegate courtship.

His effort to sow doubt about the system plays into the suspicions and anxieties that many of his most ardent backers have about a political process they believe has intentionally disenfranchised them. And it allows Mr. Trump to divert attention from his recent losses in delegate races occurring all over the country.

Mr. Trump has a pattern of claiming fraud when an election does not go his way. And his critics say this kind of misdirection is his specialty.

“If Trump can’t win something, he’ll always say it’s someone else’s fault,” said Stuart Stevens, a Republican strategist who has advised several presidential candidates, most recently Mitt Romney in 2012. “Donald Trump is a place you go to settle scores,” he added, noting Mr. Trump’s tendency to play on grievances, whether political, economic or racial.

“And that’s what he’s selling. ‘You’ve been cheated here, you’ve been cheated there,’ ” Mr. Stevens said. “ ‘I’ll get you yours.’ ”

After losing the Iowa caucuses, Mr. Trump insisted that Mr. Cruz had prevailed by duping Ben Carson supporters into voting for him after spreading a false rumor that Mr. Carson was dropping out of the race. “Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it!” Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter at the time.

Mr. Trump’s complaints also reflect the difficult math he seems likely to face at the convention. Each delegate denied pushes him further away from winning the nomination on the first ballot, after which most delegates would be free to vote for someone else. And after the most recent rounds of voting, Mr. Cruz is poised to have many loyal supporters who would stand with him on a second ballot or beyond.


 The rules for how Republican delegates are selected could end up turning votes for one candidate into delegates who will support another candidate at the convention.

The Trump campaign has, by its own admission, fallen perilously behind in the delegate effort, narrowing Mr. Trump’s road to the nomination with each contest.

The outlook in the coming weeks is not much better. Even if Mr. Trump prevails in high-profile battles like next week’s New York primary, there are growing signs that he is not well equipped to succeed in the lower-profile skirmishes for delegates.

There, Mr. Cruz has an advantage. His campaign recently hired Ken Cuccinelli, a conservative former attorney general of Virginia and a veteran of the state’s internecine Republican battles, to oversee its effort to send pro-Cruz delegates to Cleveland.


The process for choosing delegates can be convoluted and arcane. Even if one candidate wins a state, the delegates who are supposed to vote for him at the convention might privately support one of his opponents, and could do so formally after the first ballot. In some states, like Colorado, delegates selected at a district caucus then vote for separate delegates to the national convention. Because the approach varies by state, campaigns must be well versed in each set of rules.

In an interview, Mr. Cuccinelli noted that 28 states or districts will select delegates this weekend. “We’ll have them all covered,” he said by phone from the Cruz campaign’s Houston headquarters, where he spends much of his time.

Mr. Cuccinelli said he had only recently detected evidence that Mr. Trump’s staff was engaged in the shadow campaign to elect favorable delegates at state and local conventions.

“We are very blessed that our opponent had no idea what he was doing on this until about a month ago,” Mr. Cuccinelli said. “A media-only campaign has its advantages, but it also has its very severe disadvantages.” Mr. Trump’s newly hired chief delegate strategist, Paul J. Manafort, did not respond to an interview request.

 A coalition of Republicans is banking on a scenario in which Donald J. Trump fails to reach the 1,237 delegates required to secure the party’s nomination before its July convention, creating a potential opening for another nominee as the delegates vote on the convention floor.
By taking the battle for delegate selection seriously only at this relatively late date, Mr. Trump may have crippled his hopes to win a multiballot convention. That is because in many states, the deadline for individuals to run for delegate has already come and gone.

In 10 of Virginia’s 11 congressional districts, for example, the deadline has passed to run for one of the three delegate slots available to each district. And as the elections in which those 33 delegates will be chosen unfold in the coming weeks, the Cruz campaign plans to have a presence.

Arkansas is another case in point. The deadline to apply to be a candidate for delegate was in February. And since the list of applicants became available early last month, Cruz volunteers in each of the state’s 75 counties have been vetting it for people they believe will be most loyal to him at the convention. Arkansas delegates are required to vote for the candidate they are pledged to based on primary results for only one ballot. After that, it is their choice.

“If Senator Cruz is going to be president, then we need to make sure we have people who are loyal to Ted Cruz who are going to Cleveland as delegates,” said Bob Ballinger, a Republican state representative and the Cruz campaign’s Arkansas chairman. The goal, Mr. Ballinger added, is to find people “who are willing to go down and will stick with him through a second or third vote if it comes down to that.”

This effort has already dealt Mr. Trump serious setbacks. In Colorado on Saturday, Mr. Cruz’s organizational muscle helped him capture all 34 delegates at stake.

And in Iowa, which also chose delegates over the weekend, Mr. Cruz’s success could go a long way in helping him if the convention gets to a second ballot. Though Iowa binds its delegates on the first ballot for candidates based on the proportion of the vote they received in the statewide caucuses Feb. 2, they are free to vote as they please after that.

Cruz supporters in Iowa were elected to 11 of the 12 delegate slots that were filled over the weekend and secured five of eight spots on a commission that will nominate another delegate slate.

Jeff Kaufmann, the chairman of the Iowa Republican Party, said it was clear that the Cruz campaign was outworking its rivals. “Organization still matters,” he said.
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2016, 01:21:57 pm »
It's the Vast GOPe Conspiracy!!!  The VGeC for short. 

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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2016, 01:23:32 pm »
Trump is talking like a loser with all this "the game is rigged stuff."  Blaming the refs is typical of chumps who get outplayed.

California's going to be the show stopper for Cruz.  He'll win half the delegates and that will be it for the Donald.

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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2016, 01:26:32 pm »
But in what sounded like a wink-wink aside, he said, “Don’t forget, I only complain about the ones where we have difficulty.”

Speaking of chumps, that's how Trump views his followers.  His phony whining is meant to appeal to their "we're gettin' screwed" mentality.

Blaming somebody else for one's own inadequacies is for losers.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2016, 01:27:05 pm »
Trump is talking like a loser with all this "the game is rigged stuff."  Blaming the refs is typical of chumps who get outplayed.

California's going to the show stopper for Cruz.  He'll win half the delegates and that will be it for the Donald.



I have a sneaking suspicion NY is also going to be a letdown for Trump since it's not a winner take all state and, from what I saw in the WSJ today, Cruz is being strategic about the districts he's focusing on.  We can probably assume Trump gets more than 50% statewide and so gets the 14 statewide delegates, but that still leaves 81 delegates for which he must compete district by district. 

If STrump can't dominate NY, then it's as good as a loss momentum-wise. 
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2016, 01:47:31 pm »
So true.

At first I was willing to listen to Trump.  "Give him a chance" I said.  After listening and watching I said, "Not for me."  After seeing him insult everyone and throw tantrums I said, "Seriously not for me....I mean, EVER!"  Now I have come to the full "I hate his whiny, bully, disgusting guts" position.  He is a horrible person.  I wouldn't trust him to babysit my dog.  Maybe I would let him pick up my dog's poo, but only if my dog wasn't there.  Trump would probably kick him or something.

Everyone's a mark to Trump.  That's what cons do.  He knows how to appeal to the dreams and aspirations of those at the bottom of the economic stack; that's why his Trump University and MLM ventures were created.  And, like state lotteries, there's always a little "win" here and there to keep the mark in the game.

Trump's running his campaign like he runs his cons.   He wins the big shows to keep his followers behind him, but, underneath, there's nothing there.  Now, he's enlisted Paul Manafort, a guy who hasn't been near an election in 30 years, to come in and stop the bleeding.  When Manafort fails--which he will--he'll be summarily and gaudily fired and blamed that Trump didn't get the 1237. 

It's all a big game to Trump.  What's shocking is how many people have been sucked in by him. 
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2016, 02:00:52 pm »
But in what sounded like a wink-wink aside, he said, “Don’t forget, I only complain about the ones where we have difficulty.”

Speaking of chumps, that's how Trump views his followers.  His phony whining is meant to appeal to their "we're gettin' screwed" mentality.

Blaming somebody else for one's own inadequacies is for losers.

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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2016, 02:06:09 pm »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2016, 02:08:48 pm »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2016, 02:12:43 pm »
So true.

At first I was willing to listen to Trump.  "Give him a chance" I said.  After listening and watching I said, "Not for me."  After seeing him insult everyone and throw tantrums I said, "Seriously not for me....I mean, EVER!"  Now I have come to the full "I hate his whiny, bully, disgusting guts" position.  He is a horrible person.  I wouldn't trust him to babysit my dog.  Maybe I would let him pick up my dog's poo, but only if my dog wasn't there.  Trump would probably kick him or something.

Pretty much how I reasoned it out and arrived at my anti Trump position. The man has ever quality I hate in people.  What baffels me about his supporters is how they cast aside logic and allow themselves to fall under this ass clowns crazy spell. 

I guess the old saying is true.   One cannot be reasoned out of something they were not reasoned into.
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« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2016, 02:15:35 pm »
All this whining about the rigged system - and stunning failure to navigate the system as deftly as Cruz - and we're supposed to have confidence in Trump's ability to get the bestest deals EVAH in the international arena.

Seriously? If he thinks the GOP nomination process is rigged, he should try getting something out of the United Nations.

The man is a joke.
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« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2016, 02:30:47 pm »
All this whining about the rigged system - and stunning failure to navigate the system as deftly as Cruz - and we're supposed to have confidence in Trump's ability to get the bestest deals EVAH in the international arena.

Seriously? If he thinks the GOP nomination process is rigged, he should try getting something out of the United Nations.

The man is a joke.

I'm starting to think he is loooking for an excuse to quit and create his own party like he has threatened over and over. The colorado outrage is either fake or he is a idiot for ignoring their process Put in place six m9It is ago. I suspect he is trying to stage a they aren't treating me fair moment.

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Look who came out to play.  How you doin today RiV?

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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2016, 02:34:29 pm »


You DO realize that what you posted there is a complete and TOTAL LIE  don't you?

And a STUPID one at that!

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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2016, 02:42:46 pm »
More information on the Colorado primaries:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=202143.new#new

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« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2016, 02:59:37 pm »
I'm starting to think he is loooking for an excuse to quit and create his own party like he has threatened over and over. The colorado outrage is either fake or he is a idiot for ignoring their process Put in place six m9It is ago. I suspect he is trying to stage a they aren't treating me fair moment.

Like the Reform Party? When he said Republicans had moved "too far to the extreme right?" Mind you, this is AFTER Newt Gingrinch successfully pressured Bill Clinton into a budget deal that *Clinton now takes credit for*.
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« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2016, 08:46:48 pm »
It's the Vast GOPe Conspiracy!!!  The VGeC for short.

Huh!  You mean that Hillary was right about the "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy"? 

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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2016, 09:35:52 pm »
I'm starting to think he is loooking for an excuse to quit and create his own party like he has threatened over and over. The colorado outrage is either fake or he is a idiot for ignoring their process Put in place six m9It is ago. I suspect he is trying to stage a they aren't treating me fair moment.

I keep asking myself one question over and over again. Why on Earth would Donald Trump want to be President?

Spare me the inspirational dribble, that's not it.

Why would this man, who has money beyond our understanding, fame, a beautiful wife, and freedom, want to sacrifice all that and spend the rest of his life surrounded by Secret Service everywhere he goes, with the same going on with his kids and grandchildren?

Why would he make the choice to go from being a TV celebrity to being hated by millions for a job that will age him beyond his years?

I honestly don't think that Trump ever really wanted to win. I think that more than winning he wanted to make the point that he could have won if he wanted to and was caught off guard by this success and is not really sure what to do next.

The man cannot both be running to become the titular head of the GOP, and making the kinds of statements he's been making about them.

I think Trump's end game is to lose and blame the GOP for the loss.

His ego does not allow for losses. He needs to lose and he needs to find someone to blame for it, so yes... a third Party run that he was forced into by the unfair GOPe and he that can't win, is actually a win-win for Trump and Clinton, and probably the real game they've been playing all along.
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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2016, 09:43:03 pm »
I have a sneaking suspicion NY is also going to be a letdown for Trump since it's not a winner take all state and, from what I saw in the WSJ today, Cruz is being strategic about the districts he's focusing on.  We can probably assume Trump gets more than 50% statewide and so gets the 14 statewide delegates, but that still leaves 81 delegates for which he must compete district by district. 

If STrump can't dominate NY, then it's as good as a loss momentum-wise.

The one thing we can count on is that Trump is clueless as to how the rules work and that Cruz is on top of them.

Expect more screeching and whining if Cruz outwits Trump in NY that he somehow "cheated."

It's all Trump has.
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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2016, 09:46:11 pm »
I keep asking myself one question over and over again. Why on Earth would Donald Trump want to be President?

Spare me the inspirational dribble, that's not it.

Why would this man, who has money beyond our understanding, fame, a beautiful wife, and freedom, want to sacrifice all that and spend the rest of his life surrounded by Secret Service everywhere he goes, with the same going on with his kids and grandchildren?

Why would he make the choice to go from being a TV celebrity to being hated by millions for a job that will age him beyond his years?

I honestly don't think that Trump ever really wanted to win. I think that more than winning he wanted to make the point that he could have won if he wanted to and was caught off guard by this success and is not really sure what to do next.

The man cannot both be running to become the titular head of the GOP, and making the kinds of statements he's been making about them.

I think Trump's end game is to lose and blame the GOP for the loss.

His ego does not allow for losses. He needs to lose and he needs to find someone to blame for it, so yes... a third Party run that he was forced into by the unfair GOPe and he that can't win, is actually a win-win for Trump and Clinton, and probably the real game they've been playing all along.

I really think that's a plausible theory.  I don't think he intended for his charade to go this far, but got caught up with the adulation of the adoring masses and didn't know when to bow out.

I think he'll lose at the Convention and have that loyal band of followers arguing til their dying day that he got cheated and that they were disenfranchised.

But, Lord willing, he doesn't get his other wish and Hillary doesn't beat our actual Republican nominee because of this Democrat Doofus' narcissistic game.
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2016, 09:48:10 pm »


LOVE that one.  The parallel is amazingly accurate!
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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2016, 09:56:25 pm »
I keep asking myself one question over and over again. Why on Earth would Donald Trump want to be President?

Spare me the inspirational dribble, that's not it.

Why would this man, who has money beyond our understanding, fame, a beautiful wife, and freedom, want to sacrifice all that and spend the rest of his life surrounded by Secret Service everywhere he goes, with the same going on with his kids and grandchildren?

Why would he make the choice to go from being a TV celebrity to being hated by millions for a job that will age him beyond his years?

I honestly don't think that Trump ever really wanted to win. I think that more than winning he wanted to make the point that he could have won if he wanted to and was caught off guard by this success and is not really sure what to do next.

The man cannot both be running to become the titular head of the GOP, and making the kinds of statements he's been making about them.

I think Trump's end game is to lose and blame the GOP for the loss.

His ego does not allow for losses. He needs to lose and he needs to find someone to blame for it, so yes... a third Party run that he was forced into by the unfair GOPe and he that can't win, is actually a win-win for Trump and Clinton, and probably the real game they've been playing all along.

Great analysis Luis.

Trump thought he could tweak some GOP noses, bolster the Trump brand, finish second or third and walk away with his hands up in the air and a "Well, I tried and it's just as corrupt as you all thought.  Trump tried, Trump was screwed, all you angry people just remember that I'm Donald Trump."

He's a boorish grifter.  Speak loudly and carry a HAYOOGE schtick.
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« Reply #24 on: April 14, 2016, 03:01:06 am »
I think Trump's end game is to lose and blame the GOP for the loss while accomplishing his real objective of getting his long-enough-time beneficiary Hilarious Rodent Clinton into the White House.

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