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The billionaire Trump is leading in Michigan polls, and on Friday he held a rally where he went after how Mexico is becoming the auto manufacturer of the world.

DONALD TRUMP: About a year and a half ago I heard that Ford, anybody work for Ford here? Good company, smart company. But I heard that Ford is going to build a plant in Mexico. $2.5 billion. That's--. And I have to tell you, you know, for a one-storey building that's got to be about the most expensive plant I've ever heard of. Is that a correct statement? You guys are in the car business. It has to be one of the most expensive. So they're gonna build it in Mexico. They're gonna make cars, trucks, and parts. And they're going to sell them all over, but they're gonna sell a lot of them right into the United States. Now. Now, listen to this. Listen to this. Don't worry, I'm with you, folks, I'm with you. And by the way, this is the reason I'm leading by a lot in Michigan. Because everyone knows, all I talk about is cars.

If you get laid off on Tuesday, I still want you voting. I'll get you a new job, don't worry about it. In a couple of years, you'll go home to your wife or you'll go home to your husband, you'll say, darling, I have so many job opportunities I'm going absolutely crazy, I don't know what's happening. As opposed to now. Now you get laid off, you don't know what's happening. So we're gonna, we're gonna take care of it.

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If you get laid off on Tuesday, I still want you voting. I'll get you a new job, don't worry about it. In a couple of years, you'll go home to your wife or you'll go home to your husband, you'll say, darling, I have so many job opportunities I'm going absolutely crazy, I don't know what's happening. As opposed to now. Now you get laid off, you don't know what's happening. So we're gonna, we're gonna take care of it.

Bubbas love this kind of stuff.

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It's obvious we have a dependent class in the Republican party as well who want government to "take care of them."  Trump knows what works with the LIVs.
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That's simply not true.  There are a number of factors that led to Detroit's demise, with plants moving to Mexico a very late event well after Detroit became moribund.

If we don't correctly identify the causes of the problem, we not very likely to fix it.

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Trump is such a twit. 

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That's simply not true.  There are a number of factors that led to Detroit's demise, with plants moving to Mexico a very late event well after Detroit became moribund.

If we don't correctly identify the causes of the problem, we not very likely to fix it.

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American Automakers Outsourcing Jobs to Mexico

Despite receiving billions of dollars from the federal government to keep them afloat, iconic American automakers Chrysler and General Motors are increasingly taking advantage of the free movement of labor allowed by the North American Free Trade Agreement and outsourcing jobs to Mexico, according to Bloomberg News.

Were it not for an $80 billion investment of taxpayer money in the companies, neither would even exist today. Yet, both have turned their backs on those very same American taxpayers by exploiting the cheap labor available south of the border.

In some cases, Mexican workers in an auto factory make just 10 percent of their U.S. counterpart’s wages. In the typical GM factory in Mexico, an autoworker makes just $4 per hour, including benefits. Your typical American autoworker, on the other hand, makes roughly $62 per hour when benefits are calculated into the equation, according to PolitiFact.

NAFTA has been instrumental in the flow of manufacturing jobs to Mexico. By knocking down trade barriers, U.S. businesses are forced to compete with foreign businesses, most of whom have much lower labor costs. In order to compete on a somewhat level playing field, many companies are forced to move production to nations where labor is cheaper. In fact, some of those competitors are aided by the same U.S. government that put America’s automakers in an uncompetitive situation in the first place in the form of tax abatements and other incentives given to foreign automakers to produce in America, putting further pressure on The Big Three.

Due to enormous political pressure, those companies have been slow to move production to Mexico while still owing the government billions of dollars. That could all change once they have repaid their government loans and are no longer partially owned by the American taxpayer.

GM has shuttered eight plants since 2005, and its bankruptcy-mandated restructuring plan called for the company to shed 22,500 U.S. jobs and 13 plants. Meanwhile, the company has invested $3.67 billion into Mexican production and built a new plant there. If production increases to the point that GM needs to create thousands of jobs, they most likely won’t be in America.

The other bailout recipient, Chrysler, is shelling out $550 million to prepare a factory to manufacture a Fiat model to be sold mainly in South America.

Ford, although it received no government assistance through the course of the downturn, has been guilty of outsourcing as well. The automaker has closed four plants since 2006 and intends to close four more by the end of next year. That hasn’t stopped the company from investing heavily in Mexico, where it has invested $3 billion in the past two years, reopened a factory and created 2,000 jobs.

Some experts believe that Mexico’s share of North American auto production will continue to rise. From 2005 to 2008, output steadily rose in Mexico while declining in the U.S. Over that time production in Mexico increased from 1.6 million to 2.1 million. In the U.S. production fell from 11.5 million to 8.5 million over that same time.

According to Bloomberg, some experts believe that the U.S. share of North American production will fall by as much as seven percent over the next decade while Mexico’s will increase proportionately.

“There is going to be more capacity put into North America and Mexico is going to get more than its fair share,” Dennis DesRosiers, president of DesRosiers Automotive Consulting Inc, told Bloomberg News.

The lure of free labor and tariff free imports and exports is probably enough to ensure that the trend continues. That doesn’t mean everyone likes it.

“I understand the economic argument for the off-shoring of production, but I think the practice is reprehensible,” Rep. John Dingell (D-MI) said, according to Bloomberg News. “U.S. automakers have benefitted greatly from federal largesse and should feel morally compelled to retain and create as many domestic jobs as possible.”

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2010

American Automakers Outsourcing Jobs to Mexico

Despite receiving billions of dollars from the federal government to keep them afloat, iconic American automakers Chrysler and General Motors are increasingly taking advantage of the free movement of labor allowed by the North American Free Trade Agreement and outsourcing jobs to Mexico, according to Bloomberg News.

Were it not for an $80 billion investment of taxpayer money in the companies, neither would even exist today. Yet, both have turned their backs on those very same American taxpayers by exploiting the cheap labor available south of the border.

In some cases, Mexican workers in an auto factory make just 10 percent of their U.S. counterpart’s wages. In the typical GM factory in Mexico, an autoworker makes just $4 per hour, including benefits. Your typical American autoworker, on the other hand, makes roughly $62 per hour when benefits are calculated into the equation, according to PolitiFact.

NAFTA has been instrumental in the flow of manufacturing jobs to Mexico. By knocking down trade barriers, U.S. businesses are forced to compete with foreign businesses, most of whom have much lower labor costs. In order to compete on a somewhat level playing field, many companies are forced to move production to nations where labor is cheaper. In fact, some of those competitors are aided by the same U.S. government that put America’s automakers in an uncompetitive situation in the first place in the form of tax abatements and other incentives given to foreign automakers to produce in America, putting further pressure on The Big Three.

Due to enormous political pressure, those companies have been slow to move production to Mexico while still owing the government billions of dollars. That could all change once they have repaid their government loans and are no longer partially owned by the American taxpayer.

GM has shuttered eight plants since 2005, and its bankruptcy-mandated restructuring plan called for the company to shed 22,500 U.S. jobs and 13 plants. Meanwhile, the company has invested $3.67 billion into Mexican production and built a new plant there. If production increases to the point that GM needs to create thousands of jobs, they most likely won’t be in America.

The other bailout recipient, Chrysler, is shelling out $550 million to prepare a factory to manufacture a Fiat model to be sold mainly in South America.

Ford, although it received no government assistance through the course of the downturn, has been guilty of outsourcing as well. The automaker has closed four plants since 2006 and intends to close four more by the end of next year. That hasn’t stopped the company from investing heavily in Mexico, where it has invested $3 billion in the past two years, reopened a factory and created 2,000 jobs.

Some experts believe that Mexico’s share of North American auto production will continue to rise. From 2005 to 2008, output steadily rose in Mexico while declining in the U.S. Over that time production in Mexico increased from 1.6 million to 2.1 million. In the U.S. production fell from 11.5 million to 8.5 million over that same time.

According to Bloomberg, some experts believe that the U.S. share of North American production will fall by as much as seven percent over the next decade while Mexico’s will increase proportionately.

“There is going to be more capacity put into North America and Mexico is going to get more than its fair share,” Dennis DesRosiers, president of DesRosiers Automotive Consulting Inc, told Bloomberg News.

The lure of free labor and tariff free imports and exports is probably enough to ensure that the trend continues. That doesn’t mean everyone likes it.

“I understand the economic argument for the off-shoring of production, but I think the practice is reprehensible,” Rep. John Dingell (D-MI) said, according to Bloomberg News. “U.S. automakers have benefitted greatly from federal largesse and should feel morally compelled to retain and create as many domestic jobs as possible.”

http://economyincrisis.org/content/american-automakers-outsourcing-jobs-mexico

Were you trying to respond to my comment?  This doesn't seem to have anything to do with it.

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The Death of American Manufacturing



 Considering the stupendous list of America’s manufacturing achievements and the vulnerabilities associated with foreign dependence when a nation lacks strong domestic manufacturing, it is alarming when economists are warning that the U.S. is facing the “gutting, hollowing out and closing down of American manufacturing forever” (Benson’s Economic & Market Trends, Feb. 27, 2004).

Job Losses

The loss of the manufacturing industry manifests itself most clearly in job losses. According to the Economist, “For the first time since the Industrial Revolution, fewer than 10 percent of American workers are now employed in manufacturing” (Oct. 1, 2005). But even this figure is probably double the actual percentage, because many workers in a typical manufacturing firm have service-type jobs. In comparison, during the 1970s, approximately 25 percent of American workers were employed in manufacturing. From 1990 to present, manufacturing jobs have decreased every single year; since 1996, they have plummeted by almost one fifth.

Most recently, these job losses and the hollowing out of American manufacturing have been evidenced in the auto industry.

On Nov. 21, 2005, General Motors Corporation (gm) announced plans to cut 30,000 jobs and close nine manufacturing plants across North America. According to its ceo, the decision represented an attempt to “get its costs in line with major global competitors” and “return North American operations to profitability as soon as possible” (Associated Press, Nov. 21, 2005). Following these cuts, gm will have laid off 40 percent of its white-collar staff since 2000.

In a reflection of the resultant loss of confidence in the company, last May gm’s debt (sold as bonds) was downgraded by s&p from investment grade to the highest level of junk status; in September, it was downgraded even further. Now it is five steps below investment grade. Analysts even recommend selling gm stock, with one Bank of America Securities analyst saying it was “inevitable” that gm would eventually seek bankruptcy protection (cnn/Money, Dec. 16, 2005).

gm’s layoffs exclude the cuts announced by former gm-owned auto parts maker Delphi, which filed for bankruptcy protection last October. In 1999, Delphi laid off 18,000 workers. Now it is reportedly seeking to cut two thirds of its 34,000 hourly workers and slash hourly wages from as much as $30 per hour to as little as $10.

Ford, another American icon, has been slashing jobs too. According to Forbes, Ford could cut up to 30,000 jobs and close 10 plants (Dec. 7, 2005).

Egan-Jones Ratings Co., an independent firm, is predicting that “[t]his is the beginning of the end of the U.S. auto industry as most people have come to know it” (TheStreet.com, May 5, 2005).

However, the auto industry is just one example of the overall decline in American industrial might over the past couple of decades. Other U.S. manufacturing giants are failing, too; in fact, the U.S. has lost 3 million manufacturing jobs just since 1998. In 2003, industrial giant Bethlehem Steel folded, causing thousands of employees and retirees to lose their pensions. Any Pittsburgh resident would be able to tell you how unprofitable the steel industry has been over the last 20 or so years. Between 1950 and 2000, the U.S. lost more than 491,000 jobs from the primary metals industry alone—most of those after 1980; from 2000 to 2003, an additional 149,000 of these jobs vaporized. In 2004, Levi Strauss closed the last of its more than 60 American factories. “It was like a death in the family,” said Emma Rice, of Morrilton, Arkansas, who worked for Levi Strauss for 32 years (Times, London, Jan. 10, 2004). Unfortunately, the former Levi-employed majority of Morrilton tell the same tale as those from thousands of towns across America that have also experienced the loss of manufacturing jobs.

But why is this happening?

Outsourcing

Manufacturing loss is occurring because of globalization and outsourcing. Globalization is the increased mobility of goods, services, labor, technology and capital throughout the world; outsourcing is the performance of a production activity in another country that was previously done by a domestic firm or plant.

At the dawn of globalization, the elimination of trade barriers opened up access to foreign markets for American manufacturers in return for building factories abroad. In due course, more and more manufacturers set up shop overseas, producing goods to be sold to Americans. Today, the trend is so severe, analysts predict that in some industries, a quarter to a half of all jobs are likely to migrate (Daily Reckoning, Aug. 5, 2005).

With the birth of the North American Free Trade Agreement in 1994, Mexico became a major recipient of outsourced U.S. manufacturing jobs. Mexico is now a global leader in auto parts manufacturing and one of the world’s largest tv set producers. Now, with the startup of the Central American Free Trade Area (cafta) this January, analysts are anticipating another exodus of U.S. jobs to south of the border. U.S. household names such as Dell, ibm, Sara Lee/Hanes and Maytag have already been moving business into the Central American region.

Asia has also been a long-time recipient of outsourced American manufacturing. A study by the universities of Cornell and Massachusetts-Amherst found that India alone may be responsible for up to 700,000 outsourced jobs. China has also received hundreds of thousands of outsourced jobs.

Admirers of globalization contend that freer access to foreign markets and cheap labor increase corporate profits and thereby benefit the U.S. economy. While this argument may superficially sound compelling, it ignores the dangerous long-term effects of manufacturing losses. In reality, outsourcing makes Americans poorer over time, because America’s wealth and technology slowly migrate to other nations.

In the words of the Daily Reckoning, “Historically, manufacturing, exporting and direct investment produced prosperity through income creation” (April 4, 2003). America’s wealth grew when profits from domestic manufacturing were reinvested into buildings, machinery and technological change. But now outsourcing is diverting that income to foreigners.

America may gain access to cheaper products through outsourcing, but it also comes with attendant problems, including a downward pressure on wages. Laid-off manufacturing laborers are largely switching into lower-paying jobs in the service industry. Where they once made an average of $51,000 annually, they now make $16,000 in leisure and hospitality, $33,000 in health care, or $39,000 in construction (Seattle Times, op. cit). In 2004, average employee compensation in the U.S. fell for the first time in 14 years.

If America does not manufacture and sell goods, then money only leaves the country. The U.S. now imports twice as much as it exports. This has resulted in a trade deficit that has ballooned to an unprecedented $800 billion on an annualized basis. Unfortunately, this trend shows no signs of abating. U.S. exports are declining versus imports all across the board. Even agriculture posted a deficit this past year for the first time in living memory.

Every time an American manufacturer closes and then reopens elsewhere, the foreign country gains American technology. Not having to spend resources developing technology, foreigners can focus on improving or beating it.

Many developing nations, especially China and India, are notorious for their lack of intellectual and technological property rights. According to David Pritchard, a research associate at State University of New York, American companies are hastening their demise by sharing valuable technology with foreign governments intent on setting up their own industries. This is exactly what is happening with aircraft manufacturer Boeing, which has been outsourcing labor in China, Japan and other countries.

Globalization admirers contend that because the work forces of developing nations are unskilled, they cannot compete with the U.S.; thus, only low-end, low-skill jobs are lost to outsourcing. However, this is not true. The Asian workforce, in particular, has made huge strides. According to Fortune magazine, in the next year China will produce 3.3 million university graduates, all of whom speak English. India too will turn out 3.1 million English-speaking graduates. Furthermore, in engineering alone “China’s graduates will number over 600,000, India’s 350,000, America’s only about 70,000″ (July 25, 2005). These graduates are beginning to fill more than just low-end, low-skill jobs.

Regarding the effect of this labor shift on manufacturing, economist Richard Benson relates that whether you build a factory here or in China, the factory will be the same and the workers will have similar skills, but the main difference is that “the Chinese will work seven days a week for us$0.50 to us$1 an hour with no benefits for social security, health care, vacations, a pension or worker safety. … In America, the going wage would be 10 to 20 times higher including all benefits” (Benson’s Economic & Market Trends, op. cit.). It’s not hard to see why, in order to reduce costs, manufacturing businesses have been abandoning America in droves and fleeing to Asia.

Many Americans did not take notice in the beginning, because it was only the low-paid manufacturing workers making toys, shoes and clothing that lost their jobs to cheap foreign competition. But next to go were the higher-paid shipbuilders and steel producers; now it is auto workers and others.

Continually moving further up the value chain, the Los Angeles Times says that even highly skilled, higher-paid American workers are starting to feel the outsourcing pinch. Jobs such as engineers, computer software scientists, Hollywood animators and aerospace manufacturers are all now under threat.

Take Boeing, for example. This American giant is the type of company that symbolizes the “high-tech leadership on which the future of the U.S. economy is widely said to depend” (Newsweek, Dec. 2, 2005). Yet, 20 years ago, most of its aircraft parts were manufactured domestically, while today, sadly, up to “70 percent of the airframe of the company’s next-generation 787 Dreamliner will be made overseas, including key parts such as the fuselage and wings.” Even the engine will be produced outside the U.S., while workers inside the U.S. are left with layoffs.

Some economists have noticed manufacturing losses, but because the negative long-term ramifications have not become fully manifest in the economy, people are willing to turn a blind eye. Over the short term, companies have become richer through outsourcing, and consumers are happy because they have cheaper toys. But this will not last forever. At some point, manufacturing job losses will mean Americans will not be able to afford toys at all.
The Effect on Americans

What does the decline in manufacturing mean for the average American?

First, America as a whole will eventually become poorer, so be prepared to downgrade your standard of living. As progressively more manufacturers move abroad, the flow of money out of the country will exceed the benefits of cheap imports. At some point, America’s trade deficit will overwhelm us. If this trend continues, eventually Americans will not be producing enough to pay for the standard of living that post-World War ii America has become used to.

Second, if you are not among the rich and you rely on a job, prepare yourself for job security issues. In plain language, if you work in the manufacturing industry, don’t expect raises and don’t be shocked if your job gets “outsourced.”

Jerry Roy is a 49-year-old family man from Michigan who has worked for gm since 1977. According to the New York Times, when Jerry was first hired, he said it was like “I’d died and went to heaven.” Such was the promise of manufacturing being a secure path to the American dream (Nov. 19, 2005).

Actually, four generations of Roys have worked for gm. Jerry’s great-grandfather first started at a gm Delco plant during the Great Depression. Then Jerry’s grandfather worked at the same plant during the war years when it was converted over to a machine gun factory. Jerry’s father, mother, an aunt and a great uncle all worked for gm, too. Jerry’s father, Gerald, recalled the stark contrast between the now-closed plants and the “golden” era when production levels were so high shifts worked around the clock, never shutting down. Jerry, too, described in amazement all the empty parking lots that used to be factories (ibid.). Now, Jerry, who is currently working for former gm parts unit Delphi, is facing either a major wage cut or a layoff—as are thousands of others like him.

“The days when blue-collar work could be passed on down the family line … those days are over,” said one professor of labor relations at Clark University in Massachusetts (ibid.).

Dave Kassel of the outsourcing firm International Smart Sourcing says soberly, “There’s no point looking in the rear-view mirror.” With alternatives like China, Mexico and now Central America, “expecting U.S. industrial manufacturers to dominate in the decades to come is foolhardy” (Daily News, New York, Aug. 9, 2005). Mr. Kassel also predicts that “in a decade Detroit is going to be a fraction of what it is today.”

By building factories overseas, manufacturers are sowing the seeds of their own long-term destruction by slowly reducing the wealth of Americans—their primary customers.

Be warned—and remember the old adage: As gm goes, so goes the nation.

https://www.thetrumpet.com/article/2061.24.80.0/economy/the-death-of-american-manufacturing
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America was once an economic powerhouse. But, "Globalism" has decimated the American heartland because of a pathological, politically correct fear of nationalism.

Look, it's really simple. You take care of your own first. AMERICA FIRST.

Ain't nothing wrong with that. It's what you do in your personal life – take care of your own family first.

It's what we must do again as Americans.

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America was once an economic powerhouse. But, "Globalism" has decimated the American heartland because of a pathological, politically correct fear of nationalism.

Look, it's really simple. You take care of your own first. AMERICA FIRST.

Ain't nothing wrong with that. It's what you do in your personal life – take care of your own family first.

It's what we must do again as Americans.

Nothing's more refreshing than a little socialist nationalism. 

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There are a number of factors that lead to more and more car brands being made in Mexico and Canada. But the answer to reversing that trend is not returning to the High tariffs of Hoover in 1933, which worsened the depression. The answer is not more government, but less government. Regulations, and string labor unions are the most to blame.
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Nothing's more refreshing than a little socialist nationalism.

Ooh, scary words. Socialist nationalism  ***hair on fire

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There are a number of factors that lead to more and more car brands being made in Mexico and Canada. But the answer to reversing that trend is not returning to the High tariffs of Hoover in 1933, which worsened the depression. The answer is not more government, but less government. Regulations, and string labor unions are the most to blame.

Exactly.  Non-union Volkswagen, Honda, Toyota and BMW are competing just fine in the US. The UAW is the death of automobile manufacturing.  Yet Trump is sucking up to the unions with his ridiculous talk of tariffs and punishing businesses for outsourcing (something he can't do).
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That's simply not true.  There are a number of factors that led to Detroit's demise, with plants moving to Mexico a very late event well after Detroit became moribund.

If we don't correctly identify the causes of the problem, we not very likely to fix it.

Shhhh, you are breaking the narrative. He is on Rule 12 right now: "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
You have to stay on message.

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TRUMP EXPOSED BACK IN 2008
When asked by letterman why the Trump clothing line is made in other countries, he responds, "It's a good thing, I employee people in Bangladesh. They need jobs too."
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Shhhh, you are breaking the narrative. He is on Rule 12 right now: "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
You have to stay on message.

Yes, my mistake.  I stand corrected: Trump, or whomever, can just wave their magic wand, and POOF jobs will reappear and Detroit will be reborn.  We don't need to look into why jobs left or why Detroit is such a pit. 

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Another big day of primaries.

The day Trump wins, again.

Socialist nationalism – big scary words – wins again.   ***hair on fire


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America was once an economic powerhouse. But, "Globalism" has decimated the American heartland because of a pathological, politically correct fear of nationalism.

Look, it's really simple. You take care of your own first. AMERICA FIRST.

Ain't nothing wrong with that. It's what you do in your personal life – take care of your own family first.

It's what we must do again as Americans.

I've  always bought American cars.   If you do too, then good for you.

But that doesn't mean I'll vote for an unstable demagogue for President.     

I'm probably more sympathetic than most on this board to the idea of tariffs to encourage domestic manufacturing.   

But that doesn't mean I'll vote to let the GOP become the National Front.

I understand that Trump's ideas, prejudices and easy answers are appealing.  That's why demagogues do so well.  People are hurting, of that there's no doubt.   But this guy feeds on resentment,  and trades in hate.  Lest we forget - Hitler came to power in a free election.   
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Yes, my mistake.  I stand corrected: Trump, or whomever, can just wave their magic wand, and POOF jobs will reappear and Detroit will be reborn.  We don't need to look into why jobs left or why Detroit is such a pit.
In the 1960s Detroit had the highest incomes of any major US city. But the union benefit costs had driven those wages so high, that the automakers starting looking and FINDING places to move production.

In the end Detroit has the leftovers. People without skills. People virtually unwilling to work. They happen to be black, but other industries and other places have had similar experiences and the leftovers are white.

Politicians don't "create jobs," although all seem set on saying it over and over. Remember ten years ago when Republicans would say what I said?

Trump is saying it more forcefully. Given the right moves, government can level the playing field. And yes, bring some jobs back.
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There are a number of factors that lead to more and more car brands being made in Mexico and Canada. But the answer to reversing that trend is not returning to the High tariffs of Hoover in 1933, which worsened the depression. The answer is not more government, but less government. Regulations, and string labor unions are the most to blame.
Exactly. Several years ago I was "freeping" an appearance by Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV at a steelworkers' union hall when he pulled up in a luxury Toyota SUV. I asked the union member near me, "Doesn't it bother you that he's driving around in a Japanese car instead of an American-made one?"

The idiotic reply: "Well, uh, Japanese workers have to feed their families, too."

When will union members learn that the Democrat party not only has done nothing for them, it's destroyed their industries altogether?
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I've  always bought American cars.   If you do too, then good for you.

But that doesn't mean I'll vote for an unstable demagogue for President.     

I'm probably more sympathetic than most on this board to the idea of tariffs to encourage domestic manufacturing.   

But that doesn't mean I'll vote to let the GOP become the National Front.

I understand that Trump's ideas, prejudices and easy answers are appealing.  That's why demagogues do so well.  People are hurting, of that there's no doubt.   But this guy feeds on resentment,  and trades in hate.  Lest we forget - Hitler came to power in a free election.   

I'm 64, I grew up in a time (as a recently arrived immigrant, in a multi-ethnic neighborhood in Brooklyn, New York) when people were unapologetically American. Trump's detractors call it nationalism. OK – I'm a nationalist. I love America – first. So, sue me for loving America.

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Herr Drump hast zit ALL under control!!! he vill FORCE ze mexicans..to buy american cars!!  Big Expensive SUVs.....Monster Trucks...CHEBBY CORVETTES....








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America was once an economic powerhouse. But, "Globalism" has decimated the American heartland because of a pathological, politically correct fear of nationalism.

Look, it's really simple. You take care of your own first. AMERICA FIRST.

Ain't nothing wrong with that. It's what you do in your personal life – take care of your own family first.

It's what we must do again as Americans.

While our Big-2.5 are building factories in Mexico... let's not forget how many foreign carmakers are building plants here.

Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda, Volkswagen, BMW... just to name a few.

The funny thing is that outside of the US and China, every other country that has an auto industry has a strong auto worker union, including Mexico.

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I'm 64, I grew up in a time (as a recently arrived immigrant, in a multi-ethnic neighborhood in Brooklyn, New York) when people were unapologetically American. Trump's detractors call it nationalism. OK – I'm a nationalist. I love America – first. So, sue me for loving America.
Aligncare, I have spoke before that I am IBM, for "Italian By Marriage." My wife's family are unapologetically American First.

People spouting off calling others "National Front" for simply taking an interest in our own citizens first, is ridiculous.

Mr. Trump is such a Nazi that his daughter married a Jew then converted. Some racist, that Trump.

The fanatics are his detractors that cannot get their heads around what has and is changing in American politics. The old Left-Right axis is obsolete.

And witness his detractors behaving just exactly like liberals playing the race card. Just exactly like liberals.

And with that obsolete paradigm are going (some of) the institutions that keep it alive for brewing resentments.

As a naïve 19 year old, when I first met my wife's family, I tried to be cool and cracked Mafia jokes. Nobody laughed or liked the suggestion, period. I got my lesson about impugning others over false race stereotypes.

In 2016 there actually are people in America that understand Mr. Trump is NOT against all Hispanics or Muslims. He IS for keeping us safe from criminal terrorists and illegal immigrants.
"God must love the common man, he made so many of them.�  Abe Lincoln