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https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2016/03/02/so-far-trump-wins-open-primaries-and-cruz-wins-closed-and-the-calendar-is-starting-to-change-toward-more-closed-primaries/ :laugh:

So far, Trump wins open primaries and Cruz wins closed … and the calendar is starting to change toward more closed primaries


By Todd Zywicki March 2 at 8:30 AM

Following the South Carolina primary, an interesting article by Michael Harrington went around Facebook that speculated that Donald Trump’s victory in the South Carolina primary was attributable to Democrats voting in the Republican (open) primary. One of the good things about Harrington’s article is that he put out a testable hypothesis — that turnout in the Democratic primary a few days later would be less than 390,000. In fact, it was 367,000. Harrington concludes that had South Carolina had a closed primary, Ted Cruz would have won the primary there. I don’t know him and the author seems to be anti-Trump based on other things he has written — but the fact that his prediction was borne out adds some independent verification to his thesis. So that got me to thinking.

If true, why does this matter? Because so far the primary calendar has been heavily tilted toward open primaries. But there have been four closed elections: the Iowa caucus, the Nevada caucus, and Super Tuesday’s Oklahoma primary and Alaska caucus. Ted Cruz won three of those four closed elections.

So here’s where it potentially gets interesting. Although the media are looking forward to March 15, this Saturday (March 5) there are four Republican primaries/caucuses: Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana and Maine. All are closed.

Then, once the winner-takes-all states begin, a large number of those are closed primaries and caucuses as well (including Florida, for what it’s worth).

That suggests at least two things.

First, the fact that South Carolina and most of the SEC primaries were open primaries may very well explain why those states did not turn out to be Ted Cruz’s firewall or launch states as he had predicted. Oklahoma did perform as expected, being a fairly comfortable win for Cruz. The timeless Pauline Kael quote that has been back in circulation lately may not necessarily be incorrect among actual Republicans.

Second, the four closed primaries and caucuses this Saturday could be very interesting to watch, particularly to see whether Trump can maintain his momentum in closed primary states where he will have to appeal to the traditional Republican base. I haven’t gone through the remainder of the states to calculate in detail how many delegates will be selected through this series of closed primaries and whether those are enough to win. Trump also might start winning closed primaries and caucuses. But this has been his Achilles heel so far.

As I read the headlines today, I have seen no discussion of this bimodal phenomenon that has held so far. The Wall Street Journal’s front page, for example, doesn’t mention it. This suggests that although the media are focusing on Florida and Ohio, there is another story here that is being overlooked as to whether Trump can consistently establish himself with the traditional Republican base.

As an aside, it seems sort of peculiar that open primaries play such a disproportionately large role at the outset of the Republican nomination process. I understand the historical reasons for why Southern states have open primaries and why they are at the beginning of the campaign process. And I’m not saying that it is necessarily wrong to have so many open primaries at the beginning of the process. But it just seems peculiar to have so many open primaries front-end loaded and the closed ones disproportionately later in the process, given the importance of the early primaries in culling the field. I’m not sure whether the Republican National Committee would have intended that had it thought of it.
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This is why Drumpf being 20 or so delegates ahead at this point is pretty shabby.

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Why panic?

It's an interesting observation, but that's all it is. An observation. There are, no doubt, other factors at play in each of the closed primary states so far.

Either you're right and Trump appeals enough to the Republican base, or I'm right and he doesn't.
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So the next 4 Primaries are on Saturday are closed. I guess you can quit with the projectile vomit postings Sink. YOU are SAVED! None of those nasty cross over heretics Dems or infidel Independents will be able to sully your perfect little GOP Establishement party.

So you are guaranteeing 4 Cruz wins this weekend. Interesting to see how close your fantasy matches up to reality.

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This is why Drumpf being 20 or so delegates ahead at this point is pretty shabby.

Trump is 90 delegates ahead. But I know,  the TDS squad never lets the inconvenient facts jump in the way of a chance to make another infantile attack at Trump
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So the next 4 Primaries are on Saturday are closed. I guess you can quit with the projectile vomit postings Sink. YOU are SAVED! None of those nasty cross over heretics Dems or infidel Independents will be able to sully your perfect little GOP Establishement party.

So you are guaranteeing 4 Cruz wins this weekend. Interesting to see how close your fantasy matches up to reality.

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So the next 4 Primaries are on Saturday are closed. I guess you can quit with the projectile vomit postings Sink. YOU are SAVED! None of those nasty cross over heretics Dems or infidel Independents will be able to sully your perfect little GOP Establishement party.

So you are guaranteeing 4 Cruz wins this weekend. Interesting to see how close your fantasy matches up to reality.

Look out, everybody! Voters!

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Well, my husband and I will be voting this Saturday - guess who we'll be voting for?  Plus, my neighbors down the street and several of my Facebook friends.  So, we'll see.

The way I would interpret that theory would be that Trump can get cross-over votes, but that "Republican Base" hates his guts.  Sounds like a bit of a wash to me.  Once we get to the general election - I think it would be a good thing to get some Democrat votes - and one would hope the "Base" would vote for the GOP candidate. 

One would hope.

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Well, my husband and I will be voting this Saturday - guess who we'll be voting for?  Plus, my neighbors down the street and several of my Facebook friends.  So, we'll see.

The way I would interpret that theory would be that Trump can get cross-over votes, but that "Republican Base" hates his guts.  Sounds like a bit of a wash to me.  Once we get to the general election - I think it would be a good thing to get some Democrat votes - and one would hope the "Base" would vote for the GOP candidate. 

One would hope.

Hope minus one.  Probably a whole lot more.
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Why panic?

It's an interesting observation, but that's all it is. An observation. There are, no doubt, other factors at play in each of the closed primary states so far.

Either you're right and Trump appeals enough to the Republican base, or I'm right and he doesn't.


...hmm it is as you stated an interesting observation.  I see it a little differently.  Trump is appealing (according to his own stats) to disgruntled REPS, Independents, and DEMS all of whom are allowed to vote in the open primary states.  Obviously things are a little different with closed primary states with only registered REPS allowed to vote; therefore one might conclude that Trump does NOT have enough appeal from the Republican base to win.  FL is a prime example; unless all of his supporters have registered in that state as Republicans they are not eligible to vote in the presidential preference primary coming up and to boot, FL is a winner takes all state.
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Why panic?

It's an interesting observation, but that's all it is. An observation. There are, no doubt, other factors at play in each of the closed primary states so far.

Either you're right and Trump appeals enough to the Republican base, or I'm right and he doesn't.

We will know soon enough, of course. The closed primaries ought to make for interesting watching in their own right.

Fair disclosure: I never approved of open primaries. Setting aside the factions within the parties, it's no less fatuous for anyone but committed
Democrats to pick Democratic candidates than it is for anyone but committed Republicans to pick Republican candidates. But we should get a far
more clear picture of just how deep Mr. Trump actually appeals to committed Republicans as the closed primaries come further into play. Only
seven of the forthcoming 38 Republican primaries* are open primaries, and there are 1,622 delegates at stake to come.

(* - Includes Washington, D.C.; Puerto Rico; Guam; North Mariana Islands; Virgin Islands; and, American Samoa. Puerto Rico has 23 delegates
at stake, Washington, D.C. has 19 delegates at stake, the rest have nine delegates each.)


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