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Donald Trump, Christian Martyr
« on: February 27, 2016, 02:50:06 am »
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Donald Trump, Christian Martyr

Jonah Goldberg
February 26, 2016

I was starting to doze off. The debate was all but over, and the exhaustion from the day was catching up with me, as was the scotch. The rush of finally seeing the candidates go after Trump in a serious way was wearing off replaced by a mix of dread and resignation that it may all be too little too late. (Note: I don’t think it is, and I won’t be giving into despair either, for reasons Charlie explains here.)

I was only half listening when Donald Trump came into the spin room on CNN to explain why he’s been audited every year for twelve years.

“I'm always audited by the IRS, which I think is very unfair -- I don’t know, maybe because of religion, maybe because of something else, maybe because I’m doing this, although this is just recently,” Trump said in an interview with CNN’s Chris Cuomo immediately following the 10th GOP debate on Thursday night.

Cuomo cut in: “What do you mean religion?”

“Well, maybe because of the fact that I’m a strong Christian, and I feel strongly about it and maybe there’s a bias,” Trump said.

Cuomo cut in again: “You think you can get audited for being a strong Christian?”

“Well, you see what’s happened,” Trump said. “You have many religious groups that are complaining about that. They’ve been complaining about it for a long time.”

“Spit take” doesn’t even come close to describing my reaction. As it was, I gagged so hard my spleen almost came out my nose. It was nearly the first recorded instance of spontaneous self-mummification. I scared the cats because I reacted like members of Delta House when the picture of Flounder appeared on the screen.

There are two possibilities here. Either Donald Trump believes what he said, or he doesn’t. If he does believe this, he’s sufficiently delusional to disqualify himself for public office. If he doesn’t believe this, he thinks his conservative Christian supporters are morons.

Leave aside the question of whether it’s permissible to question someone’s faith. Trump says it’s outrageous when people do it to him, but he thinks it’s fine when he does it to Ted Cruz nearly every day.

The public evidence that Donald Trump was a “strong Christian” prior to saying so in the last year is, as the Donald would say, “weak, very weak.”

Even Trump’s sincere Christian supporters don’t believe that he’s a very sincere Christian, at least according to the very polls Trump prints out and sleeps on like a dragon atop a pile of gold. (Though, looked at from the right angle, it’s more like a guinea pig hoarding all the shredded-paper cage-lining.) In fact, only 5 percent of Republicans believe that Trump is “very religious,” while nearly half think he’s “not at all” religious or “not too religious.”

I know he now says that “nobody reads the Bible more than me.” But, again, I can’t imagine anyone actually believes him. (I also would have thought this is the kind of lie truly God-fearing people would not utter, for fear of, you know, lightning bolts or salt-pillarification.)

Anyway, all of this public religiosity is fairly new. Before he ran for president, if you played the word-association game with 100,000 Americans, I’d venture that not one of them would have said “Christian!” when asked, “What first comes to mind when you think of Donald Trump?”

Apparently, according to Trump, that’s only true of normal Americans. The IRS is different. It’s like the eye of Sauron searching the land for “strong Christians.” When its cruel gaze landed upon the failed casino magnate, beauty-pageant impresario, thrice-married and confessed adulterer who’s talked about how his own daughter is so hot he’d date her if she wasn’t his daughter and bragged about how it doesn’t matter what critics say about you so long as “you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass,” and who told Howard Stern that his ability to avoid getting the clap while sleeping around was his “personal Vietnam,” the IRS immediately saw the truth of the matter.

Suddenly, the alarms at the IRS Christian persecution squad started flashing. Over the P.A. system came: “Code Red! We’ve got a ‘strong Christian’ in sector 7!”

Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not making light of the IRS’s well-earned reputation for inappropriately scrutinizing conservative Christian groups. (But let’s not forget, they target them because they are conservative. And for most of Donald Trump’s audit period he was a major Democratic donor.)

What I am doing is unapologetically mocking the idea that Donald Trump, a bankruptcy impresario and formerly mob-tied businessman, who likes to mock the disabled at that, was singled out by the IRS for his tendency to ask “What would Jesus do?”

Oh, and keep in mind, according to Trump, this potential Christian persecution started on George W. Bush’s watch.

I could go on for hours listing everything ludicrous about Trump’s attempt to claim he is being crucified on a cross of shady tax shelters.

But what is so dismaying is the way Trump supporters took the bait instantaneously. I won’t bore you with my Twitter feed, but I was amazed by how many people (1) immediately bought Trump’s explanation as plausible, (2) claimed I was defending the IRS’s persecution of Christians, (3) actually believe that Trump gives a ton to Christian causes. (I mean in the past. I’m sure he’s written a lot of checks this year. I personally can’t wait to see the Trump Student Center and Hall of Greatness at Liberty University.)
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Re: Donald Trump, Christian Martyr
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2016, 02:54:12 am »
Ironically, the auditors are Two Corinthians

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Re: Donald Trump, Christian Martyr
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2016, 02:58:49 am »
This is golden:

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Anyway, all of this public religiosity is fairly new. Before he ran for president, if you played the word-association game with 100,000 Americans, I’d venture that not one of them would have said “Christian!” when asked, “What first comes to mind when you think of Donald Trump?”

Apparently, according to Trump, that’s only true of normal Americans. The IRS is different. It’s like the eye of Sauron searching the land for “strong Christians.” When its cruel gaze landed upon the failed casino magnate, beauty-pageant impresario, thrice-married and confessed adulterer who’s talked about how his own daughter is so hot he’d date her if she wasn’t his daughter and bragged about how it doesn’t matter what critics say about you so long as “you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass,” and who told Howard Stern that his ability to avoid getting the clap while sleeping around was his “personal Vietnam,” the IRS immediately saw the truth of the matter.
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Re: Donald Trump, Christian Martyr
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2016, 02:59:49 am »
With all the stuff that's been happening today, we almost missed the birth of Trump's fifth wife.
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Re: Donald Trump, Christian Martyr
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2016, 03:56:49 am »
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There are two possibilities here. Either Donald Trump believes what he said, or he doesn’t. If he does believe this, he’s sufficiently delusional to disqualify himself for public office. If he doesn’t believe this, he thinks his conservative Christian supporters are morons.

There's the key takeaway.  He thinks his followers are stupid.  He knows they're less educated, and that they fall for his wonderfulness, even as he mocks them.



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Re: Donald Trump, Christian Martyr
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2016, 03:59:21 am »
With all the stuff that's been happening today, we almost missed the birth of Trump's fifth wife.


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Re: Donald Trump, Christian Martyr
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2016, 04:04:55 am »
There's the key takeaway.  He thinks his followers are stupid.  He knows they're less educated, and that they fall for his wonderfulness, even as he mocks them.

Obviously he's right about a number of his followers........

If anyone................ ANYONE.....................thinks Donald Trump is being persecuted by the government because he's a "good Christian," stupid doesn't even begin to describe them.....
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Re: Donald Trump, Christian Martyr
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2016, 04:27:51 am »
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2016, 05:08:18 am »
Incredible, in the true sense of the word.

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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2016, 01:11:14 pm »
Ironically, the auditors are Two Corinthians

Rim shot! 
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Donald Trump, Christian Martyr
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2016, 01:47:51 pm »
There's the key takeaway.  He thinks his followers are stupid.  He knows they're less educated, and that they fall for his wonderfulness, even as he mocks them.

IMO, he was merely acknowledging the group of people...so designated by our wonderful media, when he repeated the term "less educated"

It's condescension aimed at the 'enemy'

as in..."Oh look!   He ran away with the 'less educated' vote!" (dripping in sarcasm)

So Donald says,   "They said I ran away with the 'less educated vote'.   I LOVE THE LESS EDUCATED!

If you that dislike and impugn Trump here daily can't/won't see that.....well, talk about cognitive dissonance.    :whistle:
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Re: Donald Trump, Christian Martyr
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2016, 02:25:50 pm »
IMO, he was merely acknowledging the group of people...so designated by our wonderful media, when he repeated the term "less educated"

It's condescension aimed at the 'enemy'

as in..."Oh look!   He ran away with the 'less educated' vote!" (dripping in sarcasm)

So Donald says,   "They said I ran away with the 'less educated vote'.   I LOVE THE LESS EDUCATED!y i

If you that dislike and impugn Trump here daily can't/won't see that.....well, talk about cognitive dissonance.    :whistle:

That's not what I'm speaking of,  DC.   I'm referring to the statement that's the topic of this thread - that Trump says he's being audited by the IRS because, I dunno, I'm such a good Christian.

That's mocking his supporters,  specifically his Evangelical supporters who are seriously concerned about threats to Christian liberty.   He's mocking those who defended that Colorado baker with his flip assertion that he,  Donald Trump, is a martyr for his "Christian beliefs" too.  He's trivializing the issue because everyone knows Trump's taxes aren't being audited because he's a Presbyterian.   

But go ahead, keep on defending the guy.  Trump knows you will.   
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« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2016, 02:29:19 pm »
That's not what I'm speaking of,  DC.   I'm referring to the statement that's the topic of this thread - that Trump says he's being audited by the IRS because, I dunno, I'm such a good Christian.

That's mocking his supporters,  specifically his Evangelical supporters who are seriously concerned about threats to Christian liberty.   He's mocking those who defended that Colorado baker with his flip assertion that he,  Donald Trump, is a martyr for his "Christian beliefs" too.  He's trivializing the issue because everyone knows Trump's taxes aren't being audited because he's a Presbyterian.   

But go ahead, keep on defending the guy.  Trump knows you will.

Your observation is spot on, Jazzhead.

Trump is mocking Christians while trying to court the blind ones into believing he's "suffering" for his faith like they are.

WHY can't people see through this??

I'm bewildered.....
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2016, 02:44:41 pm »

I'm bewildered.....

ML,  I've been following this stuff for forty years and I cannot fathom the Trump phenomenon,  at least not in the context of American politics.   
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« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2016, 02:50:55 pm »
Your observation is spot on, Jazzhead.

Trump is mocking Christians while trying to court the blind ones into believing he's "suffering" for his faith like they are.

WHY can't people see through this??

I'm bewildered.....

They're

1) Stupid
or
2) Blinded by celebrity

In either case, Trump was spot on in his description of his followers.
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Re: Donald Trump, Christian Martyr
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2016, 02:54:43 pm »
With all the stuff that's been happening today, we almost missed the birth of Trump's fifth wife.

Classic!

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« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2016, 02:55:48 pm »
Two Corinthians walk into a bar...
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2016, 02:57:41 pm »
ML,  I've been following this stuff for forty years and I cannot fathom the Trump phenomenon,  at least not in the context of American politics.

It's like Brother Trumps Traveling Salvations show.  Pack up the babies and grab the old ladies. ...  everyone goes...

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« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2016, 03:01:22 pm »
It's like Brother Trumps Traveling Salvations show.  Pack up the babies and grab the old ladies. ...  everyone goes...

And buys the magic elixir....
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

"Sometimes I think the Church would be better off if we would call a moratorium on activity for about six weeks and just wait on God to see what He is waiting to do for us. That's what they did before Pentecost."   - A. W. Tozer

Use the time God is giving us to seek His will and feel His presence.

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« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2016, 03:15:39 pm »
IMO, he was merely acknowledging the group of people...so designated by our wonderful media, when he repeated the term "less educated"

It's condescension aimed at the 'enemy'

as in..."Oh look!   He ran away with the 'less educated' vote!" (dripping in sarcasm)

So Donald says,   "They said I ran away with the 'less educated vote'.   I LOVE THE LESS EDUCATED!

If you that dislike and impugn Trump here daily can't/won't see that.....well, talk about cognitive dissonance.    :whistle:


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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2016, 03:27:21 pm »
And buys the magic elixir....

Yeah, I was thinking about the cult phenom of the sixties and seventies.  Some of us are old enough to remember the Moonies, Hare Krishnas, Jim Jones' group (from whence comes the term "to drink the koolaid), Black Panthers, SDS, SLA, etc.  The rise of desperate parental kidnappings of adult children and the de-programmers. 

The articles said that anyone could become seduced by a cult.  Maybe, maybe not.  But, I can see how attractive it could be.  To be part of a "movement", to be able to quit for once questioning and looking at things critically.  To suspend one's cynicism and natural caution.  To gain that emotional fulfillment that has been lacking in the day to day.  And, perhaps gain a bit of revenge on an unfair world.

I think that's how 0bama got elected.  Same impulses.  Maybe that's how it manifests in the children of the flower children.  Who knows?  Could explain the fact that ANYONE votes for Hillary Clinton. 


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« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2016, 03:36:20 pm »
It's like Brother Trumps Traveling Salvations show.  Pack up the babies and grab the old ladies. ...  everyone goes...

Dammit man!

You just ruined one of my favorite songs!

Is there nothing sacred any more?

Are there no boundaries?
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« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2016, 04:44:28 pm »
That's not what I'm speaking of,  DC.   I'm referring to the statement that's the topic of this thread - that Trump says he's being audited by the IRS because, I dunno, I'm such a good Christian.

That's mocking his supporters,  specifically his Evangelical supporters who are seriously concerned about threats to Christian liberty.   He's mocking those who defended that Colorado baker with his flip assertion that he,  Donald Trump, is a martyr for his "Christian beliefs" too.  He's trivializing the issue because everyone knows Trump's taxes aren't being audited because he's a Presbyterian.   

But go ahead, keep on defending the guy.  Trump knows you will.

My goodness, jazzhead....IMO, your preconceived feelings toward Trump can't allow you to use context to mold your opinions.

To me, he's clearly allying with the Religious Right or Christians in general, who have been maligned and targeted by Obama through the IRS.

Right-wing Conservative non-profits are persecuted by the IRS under the Obama Regime's instructions.  The IRS ignores them or drags out the apps for years.

By saying that he's being audited because of his Christian right-wing leanings....even if they are unsubstantiated...he is attracting more American voters who identified with the persecuted baker...the nuns....the florists who got sued.

And wasn't this remark immediately after he claimed to read the bible more than John Kerry?

All I'm requesting is a little objective thought in here.     
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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2016, 04:45:51 pm »
Dammit man!

You just ruined one of my favorite songs!

Is there nothing sacred any more?

Are there no boundaries?

ROFL!   It's good to share a laugh with you guys.    :beer:
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2016, 04:52:39 pm »
My goodness, jazzhead....IMO, your preconceived feelings toward Trump can't allow you to use context to mold your opinions.

To me, he's clearly allying with the Religious Right or Christians in general, who have been maligned and targeted by Obama through the IRS.

Right-wing Conservative non-profits are persecuted by the IRS under the Obama Regime's instructions.  The IRS ignores them or drags out the apps for years.

By saying that he's being audited because of his Christian right-wing leanings....even if they are unsubstantiated...he is attracting more American voters who identified with the persecuted baker...the nuns....the florists who got sued.

And wasn't this remark immediately after he claimed to read the bible more than John Kerry?

All I'm requesting is a little objective thought in here.     

So now you're saying Trump can lie to your face, and you'll excuse it.

Just how dumb are Trump supporters anyway?  They think a billionaire being audited is the equivalent of baker who is forced to bake a cake against his will?

Trump is not being audited, period. It's a flimsy excuse.  And Trump doesn't read the bible more than anybody.  More lies.
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