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Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« on: February 24, 2016, 04:10:09 pm »
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/15/donald-trump-is-running-for-richard-nixon-s-third-term.html



Conservative candidates usually beg for comparisons with Ronald Reagan, but Donald Trump’s political spirit animal is Dick Nixon.

And in true Trump fashion, he hasn’t been subtle about wearing his unfashionable influence on his sleeve. The signs are everywhere.

Travel through the primary states and you’ll see the placards plastered at events and scattered by the roadside: “The Silent Majority Stands With Trump.” That is, of course, a direct lift from Nixon’s oft-resuscitated slogan, which was meant to resonate with the “non-shouters, non-demonstrators” during the Vietnam War.

It’s no small irony that the children of these “forgotten Americans” now are being asked to rally around the ultimate shouter in American politics, a billionaire who avoided military service during the draft. The economic and cultural resentments of the white working class Nixon courted have only grown more intense in the wake of the Great Recession amid a fundamentally more diverse America led by a black president.

But lifting Nixon’s Silent Majority slogan barely scratches the surface of the debt Trump owes Tricky Dick.

In 1968, Vietnam was raging and Nixon campaigned on a “secret plan to end the war.” Now we’re embroiled in a multi-front war with ISIS and—you guessed it—Trump has offered up a secret plan to end the war against ISIS.

Days after kicking off his campaign, he told Fox News’s Greta Van Susteren: “I do know what to do and I would know how to bring ISIS to the table, or beyond that, defeat ISIS very quickly… and I’m not gonna tell you what it is… I don’t want the enemy to know what I’m doing.”

Trump’s love of bluster balanced with a complete lack of policy detail doesn’t stop with war.

Take health care: Trump is running on a platform of “repeal and replace with something terrific.” When pressed for detail by George Stephanopoulos, The Donald replied, “Nobody knows health care better than Donald Trump”—retreating to Nixon’s favored third-person self-reference. “We’re going to work with our hospitals. We’re going to work with our doctors. We’ve got to do something... We’ll work something out. That doesn’t mean single-payer.”

In Trump’s world, it doesn’t matter that he once backed single-payer in a book that bears his name. And of course it doesn’t matter that Nixon’s own health-care reform plan was considerably to the left of Obamacare. Our debates have been unburdened by fact for some time now, and that suits candidates like Trump just fine.

Nixon’s enemies list is another dark legacy Trump enthusiastically apes. Trump is quick to attack critics by name on the campaign trail—from mocking a disabled New York Times reporter to going after everyone from Megyn Kelly to George Will to The Daily Beast. For a candidate who loves to engage in rough-and-tumble verbal combat, his thin skin is a bit of a mystery. But Trump’s enemies list is so notorious that Vanity Fair lampooned it back in 2011 during his birther-backed flirtation with the presidency.

While Nixon’s enemies list can seem quaint almost a half-century later, they were far from simple partisan score-settling. We now know that Nixon’s lackeys looked at planting evidence on investigative journalist Jack Anderson, spreading damaging rumors about his sex life and even plotting to kill him, with the methods varying from putting poison in his medications to smearing massive doses of LSD on his steering wheel.

This is chilling stuff that smacks more of Vladimir Putin than an American president. But it’s a reminder of how much character matters in a commander in chief, because tone comes from the top. In an era of social media mobs and hardcore partisan news sites, pushback could turn to private citizen-directed opposition research and something uglier.

The deepest irony in the Trump-Nixon overlap has surfaced only in the past few weeks, as The Donald tries to appear more presidential. “Bring Us Together” was a signature Nixon 1968 campaign line, allegedly inspired by a sign held by a little girl at a rally and eagerly adopted by speechwriters like William Safire. Now Trump is punctuating his interviews and debate performances with the same line, promising to unite the nation if elected, despite all campaign tactics to the contrary.

Trump’s use of the line has already led to some surreal exchanges, as when Stephanopoulos asked him to explain how his opposition to marriage equality after the Supreme Court decision would lead to a more united nation. “It’s very simple,” he replied. “We’re going to bring our country together. We’re going to unify our country. We’re going to do whatever we have to do. I’m going to put the absolute best judges in position. If their views—we’re going to see what their views are. I will make the determination at that time.”

Such rhetorical tap-dancing means less than nothing and offers false comfort to some increasingly resigned establishment Republicans desperately looking for a silver lining if Trump is their party’s nominee. They hope the candidate doesn’t mean half of what he says, that he’s just pandering to get conservative populist votes. It’s a strained domestic extension of Nixon’s self-described “madman theory” in foreign policy, a belief that negotiating leverage is increased if your opponent believes that you might go nuclear. Extreme statements are all part of the art of the deal.

Perhaps not coincidentally, some prominent remaining Nixon aides have been backing or advising The Donald.

Trump’s sometime adviser Roger Stone, master of the dirty trick and artful smear, boasts a Nixon tattoo on his upper back. Former Nixon speechwriter and paleo-conservative populist Pat Buchanan, who innovated many of the anti-immigrant and anti-trade policies Trump now advances, declared him “The Future of the Republican Party.”

And while Trump’s once-close relationship with Fox News chairman Roger Ailes has been publicly strained with the recent Iowa debate boycott, Ailes basically innovated the cozy relationship between politics and television while working for Nixon in 1968.

Perhaps Trump is a secret political nerd who internalized all the divide-and-conquer strategies Nixon innovated at the time. Or perhaps he’s been getting advice on the dark arts of politics from acolytes of the former master.

Trump shares with Nixon a tough-guy pragmatism, a ruthless and occasionally unhinged determination to win driven by deep insecurity. Nixon also believed people vote out of fear more than hope. But whatever Nixon’s many failings, he was a policy wonk who loved the mechanics of politics. Trump is a blunt force instrument in politics, a born marketer with bluster a mile wide and an inch deep.

As he aims for the nomination, Trump might be taking Nixon’s cynical advice to “run right in the primary election, then run to the center in the general election” to heart. But as Nixon and the nation found out, character is destiny. And Trump’s exploitation of our worse impulses for political gain will also end in tears.


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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2016, 04:16:47 pm »
I would take Nixon over Humphrey and McGovern any day. 

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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2016, 04:20:46 pm »
Oh wow, just wow. Leftist source to throw up the next attack lie because GOD knows no one can make a case FOR their candidate ever around here.


Gee how about some adults in the Campaigns finally grab their activists by the scuff neck and point out to them their daily barrage of hysteria and bile isn't helping their candidate win anything.

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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2016, 04:23:15 pm »
Oh wow, just wow. Leftist source to throw up the next attack lie because GOD knows no one can make a case FOR their candidate ever around here.


Gee how about some adults in the Campaigns finally grab their activists by the scuff neck and point out to them their daily barrage of hysteria and bile isn't helping their candidate win anything.

I posited it for discussion. You've got all the room to prove it wrong.

Deny all you want, Trump and Nixon sound alot alike.
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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2016, 04:23:17 pm »
Oh wow, just wow. Leftist source to throw up the next attack lie because GOD knows no one can make a case FOR their candidate ever around here.


Gee how about some adults in the Campaigns finally grab their activists by the scuff neck and point out to them their daily barrage of hysteria and bile isn't helping their candidate win anything.

Name one conservative thing Trump has ever done! Just one!
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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2016, 04:24:12 pm »
Weekly Standard
8:07 AM, Feb 24, 2016 | By Ethan Epstein

Trump Has Won More Votes Than Romney Had At This Point in 2012

And many more than McCain had in 2008, too

Donald Trump has yet to win an outright majority in a primary or caucus – though he's getting closer, pulling in 46 percent of the vote in Nevada. But he's winning massive numbers of votes.

Mitt Romney won Nevada's caucus in 2012 with about 50 percent of the vote. He did so by pulling in roughly 16,000 total votes – roughly the same number that second-place finisher Marco Rubio pulled in this year. Donald Trump, by contrast, more than doubled Romney's total, garnering 34,500 votes.

That pattern has played out across all of the early states, which are seeing huge Trump-inspired (and, at some level, anti-Trump-inspired) turnout.

All told, Trump has now won approximately 420,000 votes. After the first four states had voted in 2012, Mitt Romney had won about 311,000 votes. Back in 2008, meanwhile, eventual nominee John McCain had won a little more than 250,000 votes after Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada had voted.

Before the primaries got underway in earnest, many assumed that Trump would fare more poorly than his poll numbers indicated because so many of his supporters had rarely voted in the past. But with this election, the past has not been a reliable predictor of future events.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-has-won-more-votes-than-romney-had-at-this-point-in-2012/article/2001230


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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2016, 04:28:10 pm »
Weekly Standard
8:07 AM, Feb 24, 2016 | By Ethan Epstein

Trump Has Won More Votes Than Romney Had At This Point in 2012

And many more than McCain had in 2008, too

Donald Trump has yet to win an outright majority in a primary or caucus – though he's getting closer, pulling in 46 percent of the vote in Nevada. But he's winning massive numbers of votes.

Mitt Romney won Nevada's caucus in 2012 with about 50 percent of the vote. He did so by pulling in roughly 16,000 total votes – roughly the same number that second-place finisher Marco Rubio pulled in this year. Donald Trump, by contrast, more than doubled Romney's total, garnering 34,500 votes.

That pattern has played out across all of the early states, which are seeing huge Trump-inspired (and, at some level, anti-Trump-inspired) turnout.

All told, Trump has now won approximately 420,000 votes. After the first four states had voted in 2012, Mitt Romney had won about 311,000 votes. Back in 2008, meanwhile, eventual nominee John McCain had won a little more than 250,000 votes after Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada had voted.

Before the primaries got underway in earnest, many assumed that Trump would fare more poorly than his poll numbers indicated because so many of his supporters had rarely voted in the past. But with this election, the past has not been a reliable predictor of future events.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/trump-has-won-more-votes-than-romney-had-at-this-point-in-2012/article/2001230

Yes, that's because voting is way up, but what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2016, 04:28:34 pm »
Name one conservative thing Trump has ever done! Just one!

He's played a part in the growing the economy in many locales...including here in Vegas.  Ask Steve Wynn.  Last I remember, being an entrepreneur and developing profitable enterprises and facilities was a rather conservative thing.  It is a problem, I think, if conservatives think that only life-long career politicians or pundits and journalists who do nothing whatsoever except write opinions can do conservative things.  If that is the case, there is not much future for conservatism whatsoever.
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« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2016, 04:30:44 pm »
Yes, that's because voting is way up, but what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

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« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2016, 04:36:02 pm »
He's played a part in the growing the economy in many locales...including here in Vegas.  Ask Steve Wynn.  Last I remember, being an entrepreneur and developing profitable enterprises and facilities was a rather conservative thing.  It is a problem, I think, if conservatives think that only life-long career politicians or pundits and journalists who do nothing whatsoever except write opinions can do conservative things.  If that is the case, there is not much future for conservatism whatsoever.

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'Conservatism' as it existed just two decades ago no longer exists.  Especially within the Republican Party.

Having completely rejected 'Moral' Conservatism in favor of replacing it with progressive liberal social doctrines (e.g., 'politically correct'),  The Republican Progressives have railroaded the GOP's real conservatives into the shadows of the back room.

They have come out to haunt them - in the form of Donald Trump.
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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2016, 04:40:49 pm »
He's played a part in the growing the economy in many locales...including here in Vegas.  Ask Steve Wynn.  Last I remember, being an entrepreneur and developing profitable enterprises and facilities was a rather conservative thing.  It is a problem, I think, if conservatives think that only life-long career politicians or pundits and journalists who do nothing whatsoever except write opinions can do conservative things.  If that is the case, there is not much future for conservatism whatsoever.

Steve Wynn is yet another HUGE Democrat!
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« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2016, 04:56:50 pm »
Steve Wynn is yet another HUGE Democrat!

That is very Wrong.  He was an early Christie supporter and one of the most vocal critics of Obama that can be found anywhere in the business world (which keeps its cards close to the vest because they have no choice but to get along with both sides). He has, like all major business executives, given to both sides over the years (the NNDB site below details that).  He is a trustee of the George Bush Presidential Library and he is a registered Republican in Nevada...he caucused last night for Trump.

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2015/Democratic_debate_host_Steve_Wynn_more_of_a_Republican/id-b2b40f374adb41c7b670b5c4866c4d47

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Bio posted on NNDB:

Steve Wynn
Steve WynnAKA Stephen Alan Wynn

Born: 27-Jan-1942
Birthplace: New Haven, CT


Gender: Male
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Business
Party Affiliation: Republican
Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Las Vegas billionaire

Real estate developer and casino mogul.

Father: Michael Weinberg (d. 1963)
Brother: Kenneth (younger)
Wife: Elaine Paschal (m. 1963, two daughters)
Daughter: Kevyn (b. 1966)
Daughter: Gillian (b. 1969)


    University: The Manlius School, DeWitt, NY
    University: University of Pennsylvania (1963)
    University: Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania
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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2016, 04:58:43 pm »
That is very Wrong.  He was an early Christie supporter and one of the most vocal critics of Obama that can be found anywhere in the business world (which keeps its cards close to the vest because they have no choice but to get along with both sides). He has, like all major business executives, given to both sides over the years (the NNDB site below details that).  He is a trustee of the George Bush Presidential Library and he is a registered Republican in Nevada...he caucused last night for Trump.

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2015/Democratic_debate_host_Steve_Wynn_more_of_a_Republican/id-b2b40f374adb41c7b670b5c4866c4d47

http://www.nndb.com/people/323/000098029/


Bio posted on NNDB:

Steve Wynn
Steve WynnAKA Stephen Alan Wynn

Born: 27-Jan-1942
Birthplace: New Haven, CT


Gender: Male
Race or Ethnicity: White
Sexual orientation: Straight
Occupation: Business
Party Affiliation: Republican
Nationality: United States
Executive summary: Las Vegas billionaire

Real estate developer and casino mogul.

Father: Michael Weinberg (d. 1963)
Brother: Kenneth (younger)
Wife: Elaine Paschal (m. 1963, two daughters)
Daughter: Kevyn (b. 1966)
Daughter: Gillian (b. 1969)


    University: The Manlius School, DeWitt, NY
    University: University of Pennsylvania (1963)
    University: Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania

He's every bit as Republican as Trump!  I'll give you that!
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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2016, 04:59:37 pm »
I would take Nixon over Humphrey and McGovern any day.
Yes, and "Nixon's third term" still is better than Obama's third, which is what either Democrat candidate offers.
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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2016, 05:02:54 pm »
He's every bit as Republican as Trump!  I'll give you that!

The Republican party without Trump or Giuliani or Wynn is a very tiny, remote place.
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2016, 05:06:26 pm »
The Republican party without Trump or Giuliani or Wynn is a very tiny, remote place.

Really?  **nononono*
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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2016, 05:59:48 pm »
I'm LOL over the title of this thread.

For weeks now Rafael Edward (Ted) Cruz, the lesser, has been described as:  Having the electability of Barry Goldwater and all the ethics and charm of Richard Nixon.   I think it's a pretty accurate description.

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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2016, 06:03:46 pm »
I'm LOL over the title of this thread.

For weeks now Rafael Edward (Ted) Cruz, the lesser, has been described as:  Having the electability of Barry Goldwater and all the ethics and charm of Richard Nixon.   I think it's a pretty accurate description.

LOL'ing, but apparently not disagreeing.

You DO know that Trump is polling lowest of him, Rubio, and Cruz to beat Hillary?

Trump is Old Establishment in new wineskins, to replace the New Establishment, that is the heir to the Old Establishment. That's a trick even old Tricky Dick couldn't pull off.
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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #19 on: February 24, 2016, 06:10:11 pm »
Oh wow, just wow. Leftist source to throw up the next attack lie because GOD knows no one can make a case FOR their candidate ever around here.


Gee how about some adults in the Campaigns finally grab their activists by the scuff neck and point out to them their daily barrage of hysteria and bile isn't helping their candidate win anything.

Yep. It's all about stopping Trump, who is an unstoppable force at this juncture.

I see very few "I'm for candidate X, and here's why.

No, it's: Trump is a fascist, liberal, xenophobe, sexist, racist, crony capitalist, ultra right-winger, poopie head!

Yeah, right. Pull the other one.

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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #20 on: February 24, 2016, 06:15:32 pm »
Yep. It's all about stopping Trump, who is an unstoppable force at this juncture.

I see very few "I'm for candidate X, and here's why.

No, it's: Trump is a fascist, liberal, xenophobe, sexist, racist, crony capitalist, ultra right-winger, poopie head!

Yeah, right. Pull the other one.

Well, I'm for Cruz because he's conservative. I'm trying to contrast him with the Nixonian Populist Trump. Which is fine if he wants to be that, but I'm for truth in labeling.

Just so we understand that in the race now we have the Conservative, the GOPe Bush Establishment candidate, and the Old Nixonian Establishment candidate, trying to PR himself as the non-establishment outsider, because he's not the Bush Establishment candidate.
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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #21 on: February 24, 2016, 06:21:00 pm »
Name one conservative thing Trump has ever done! Just one!

Got up and went to work everyday and improved the lives of New Yorkers by finishing Wollman rink and saving New Yorkers millions in government overruns, designing Jacob Javits convention center bringing in billions in tourism, saving a dozen decaying neighborhoods in NYC through economic redevelopment.

And made $10 billion while creating over 100,000 jobs over the years. I think that's a pretty good conservative record.

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« Reply #22 on: February 24, 2016, 06:25:18 pm »

Yeah, but, but, but...he doesn't know what the nuclear triad is!   :facepalm2: like he won't be able to figure that one out.

This is so tiresome.


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« Reply #23 on: February 24, 2016, 06:26:05 pm »
Got up and went to work everyday and improved the lives of New Yorkers by finishing Wollman rink and saving New Yorkers millions in government overruns, designing Jacob Javits convention center bringing in billions in tourism, saving a dozen decaying neighborhoods in NYC through economic redevelopment.

And made $10 billion while creating over 100,000 jobs over the years. I think that's a pretty good conservative record.

Another Trump lie.  Trump is not, and never has been, worth $10 billion.  Only he says it, and he lies about his net worth all the time.
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Re: Donald Trump Is Running for Richard Nixon’s Third Term
« Reply #24 on: February 24, 2016, 06:36:09 pm »
No, it's: Trump is a fascist, liberal, xenophobe, sexist, racist, crony capitalist, ultra right-winger, poopie head!

You forgot "plainly EVIL".
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