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Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« on: February 23, 2016, 04:19:07 pm »
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Jon Gabriel, Ed.
February 22, 2016


TrumpThere was a time when the Republican National Committee was terrified that Donald Trump would launch a third-party run. Now their biggest fear should be Trump as the face of the Republican party.

Once a candidate is the presidential nominee, it is the party’s job to defend every statement he makes. When Romney criticized the 47 percent, or McCain suspended his campaign after the economic crisis, or George W. Bush was blindsided by reports of a 1976 drunk driving arrest, the RNC had to support their candidates and aggressively attempt to spin the bad news in their favor.

Every candidate makes missteps here and there, but Trump has based his campaign on indefensible statements. Criticizing POWs because “I like people who weren’t captured.” Claiming a debate moderator had “blood coming out of her wherever.” Saying that in New Jersey, “thousands of people were cheering” the fall of the World Trade Center. Bragging that he “could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot people and I wouldn’t lose voters.”

And when The Donald talks policy, it gets even worse. Trump promised “I would bring back waterboarding and I’d bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.” Reince Priebus, et al., will have to passionately back a pro-torture position in a general election.

If Trump repeats that his extremist pro-choice sister would make a great Supreme Court nominee, the party will have to applaud his vision, along with her defense of partial birth abortion.

“I will tell you. They lied,” Trump said about the Bush Administration. “And they said there were weapons of mass destruction and there were none. And they knew there were none.” The RNC press shop will have to agree that Dubya lied his way into the Iraq War and denounce the party’s complicity in promoting this lie. And then the RNC will need to reverse their position when Trump does the following day.

Trump has denounced free trade and threatened tariffs as high as 35 percent. There goes a prominent plank of the Republican platform, newly aligning the party with a rump of far-left economists and Big Labor.

The natural end result of Trumpism is the destruction of Reagan’s three-legged stool, not by sawing down one leg or another, but simultaneously tossing social conservatives, economic conservatives, and defense conservatives into the wood chipper. By necessity, the party will need to be utterly destroyed and remade in The Donald’s image.

Meanwhile, the RNC is charged with backing the election of numerous congressmen, senators, and other down-ballot Republicans whose positions are diametrically opposed to their party’s nominee. Can the party support a candidate who promises to repeal Obamacare when Trump says that he loves the mandate? Will congressional candidates agree that we should “bomb the oil” and then, somehow, take it for ourselves? Do would-be senators in swing states agree that Muslims be banned and deride Hispanic illegal immigrants as marauding rapists?

A party divided against itself will not stand. Nor should it. It would have lost its reason to exist.

Of course the loathed GOP establishment brought this nightmare upon itself after double-dealing conservative voters for decades and mocking the Jeremiahs warning of a coming judgment. The entertainment wing gleefully promoted the reality star as he lashed out at feckless beltway culture. But that is all history. Today, everyone on the right needs to figure out the least bad way forward.

According to most polls, Trump will lose to a Democratic nominee. More and more party faithful are announcing that they cannot in good conscience pull the lever for an anti-conservative like The Donald. After dithering for months, waiting in vain for Trump to fail on his own, the RNC has a decision to make.

The only way the party has a future is for them to cut Trump loose so he can fall on his own. Otherwise, the entire organization will go down with him.
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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2016, 04:40:17 pm »
How does the RNC do that?  The mob is at the gates and a significant minority seems to be coalescing around Trump. 

The only way to defeat him, if he's the nominee is to boycott the presidential line on election day.   I still think there's a significant chance that there's a brokered convention, and Trump will lose there.
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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2016, 04:44:12 pm »
Uh no. Trump has turned me off, but he's playing the game and winning within the rules. I don't care who it is, the GOPe is NOT going to step in and pull some switcharoo and expect me to vote for that person. Just because I'm not a fan of one doesn't mean I'll support the other.
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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2016, 04:47:11 pm »
Uh no. Trump has turned me off, but he's playing the game and winning within the rules. I don't care who it is, the GOPe is NOT going to step in and pull some switcharoo and expect me to vote for that person. Just because I'm not a fan of one doesn't mean I'll support the other.

No switcheroo.  An initial vote is taken at the convention and all pledged delegates vote for their candidates.  If Trump doesn't win that first vote, delegates are free to vote for whomever they want.  Trump will lose that.

All hell will then break loose.
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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2016, 04:53:45 pm »
No switcheroo.  An initial vote is taken at the convention and all pledged delegates vote for their candidates.  If Trump doesn't win that first vote, delegates are free to vote for whomever they want.  Trump will lose that.

All hell will then break loose.

It depends on how it's done. If it's a fair broker, then fine. If they stack the rules against Trump, or anyone, then no dice. Again, just because I'm not fan of the one doesn't mean I'm a fan of the other. If the GOPe tries a set up job, they'll lose me, and I assume alot of others.
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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2016, 04:57:56 pm »
Whaa I am not getting my way Whaa article

Another infantile child heard from. Sorry child, you don't get to change the rules just because your political godlet is losing the election.

Political parties are collations of interests not the private propriety of spite based ego driven children. You don't get to lose the election and then demand the rules be changed.

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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2016, 04:59:22 pm »
It depends on how it's done. If it's a fair broker, then fine. If they stack the rules against Trump, or anyone, then no dice. Again, just because I'm not fan of the one doesn't mean I'm a fan of the other. If the GOPe tries a set up job, they'll lose me, and I assume alot of others.

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It will be the single-most important vote in the history of the Republican Party.  The entire world will be watching, and will detect a stacked vote instantly.

A stacked vote will also instantly demolish the Republican Party - ushering in Hillary Clinton.

The political term 'Republican' will be nothing more than a footnote in history.

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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2016, 05:02:58 pm »
Whaa I am not getting my way Whaa article

Another infantile child heard from. Sorry child, you don't get to change the rules just because your political godlet is losing the election.

Political parties are collations of interests not the private propriety of spite based ego driven children. You don't get to lose the election and then demand the rules be changed.

The nominee is not selected until all delegates are counted.  If Trump doesn't win a majority, all bets are off.
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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2016, 05:12:20 pm »
Whaa I am not getting my way Whaa article

Another infantile child heard from. Sorry child, you don't get to change the rules just because your political godlet is losing the election.

Political parties are collations of interests not the private propriety of spite based ego driven children. You don't get to lose the election and then demand the rules be changed.

If it goes to convention, then it's subject to the rules written up by the Rules Committee and accepted by the majority of delegates, who also have the right to vote amendments.

One only has to look to last time, when the tried to short change Paul by requiring a plurality in 5 states to be able to be nominated. They could do something similar again, and with a 3 man race, if Trump doesn't break out out and it does go to convention, he could very well get whipsawed.
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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2016, 05:52:46 pm »
How does the RNC do that?  The mob is at the gates and a significant minority seems to be coalescing around Trump. 

The only way to defeat him, if he's the nominee is to boycott the presidential line on election day.   I still think there's a significant chance that there's a brokered convention, and Trump will lose there.
And if they do a brokered convention, to deprive Trump of the nomination, they will lose the general election. 
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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2016, 06:54:50 pm »
And if they do a brokered convention, to deprive Trump of the nomination, they will lose the general election.

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IOW, instead of cutting Trump loose, it will be the GOPe getting the castration.

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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2016, 07:16:11 pm »
And if they do a brokered convention, to deprive Trump of the nomination, they will lose the general election.

It so, it will be at least partially because they nominate an "establishment" candidate.

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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2016, 07:21:27 pm »
The natural end result of Trumpism is the destruction of Reagan’s three-legged stool,

Only problem that is pure wishful thinking. As the outcome in SC shows Trump won all three groups.

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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2016, 07:25:36 pm »
If it goes to convention, then it's subject to the rules written up by the Rules Committee and accepted by the majority of delegates, who also have the right to vote amendments.

One only has to look to last time, when the tried to short change Paul by requiring a plurality in 5 states to be able to be nominated. They could do something similar again, and with a 3 man race, if Trump doesn't break out out and it does go to convention, he could very well get whipsawed.

What this article is arguing is the RNC try to manage the election the same way the Demcorat do with their "Super Delegates". This author wants the RNC to "dump Trump".

If Trump goes into the convention with not enough delegates and Cruz/Rubio do a deal to nominate one of them, that is within the rules. This author is arguing that the RNC do something to stop Trump, and that is utterly unacceptable. Picking the nominee is  outside the RNC's charter and would be the end of the party.

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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2016, 07:37:22 pm »
And if they do a brokered convention, to deprive Trump of the nomination, they will lose the general election.

And if Trump is the nominee, you will lose the election.

So pick your poison.
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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #15 on: February 23, 2016, 09:57:41 pm »
And if Trump is the nominee, you will lose the election.

So pick your poison.

Since the GOP hasn't won a Presidential election since 2004, I'd rather take my chances with Trump in the general. At least we've got more of a shot [IMO] with him  than anyone else.
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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2016, 10:13:16 pm »
The nominee is not selected until all delegates are counted.  If Trump doesn't win a majority, all bets are off.

So, if Trump does win a majority can we count on you folding?  (Your word would be good enough)

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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2016, 10:14:28 pm »
Since the GOP hasn't won a Presidential election since 2004, I'd rather take my chances with Trump in the general. At least we've got more of a shot [IMO] with him  than anyone else.   

And remember, Bush II was the incumbent in 2004 and he almost lost reelection. 

I'm all for thinking outside the box with Trump!

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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2016, 10:15:44 pm »
Since the GOP hasn't won a Presidential election since 2004, I'd rather take my chances with Trump in the general. At least we've got more of a shot [IMO] with him  than anyone else.

Not a single poll has him beating Hillary at this  point.
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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2016, 10:16:07 pm »
So, if Trump does win a majority can we count on you folding?  (Your word would be good enough)

No.
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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #20 on: February 23, 2016, 11:00:21 pm »
Not a single poll has him beating Hillary at this  point.


So what?

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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #21 on: February 23, 2016, 11:19:39 pm »
Not a single poll has him beating Hillary at this  point.

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In hypothetical matchups in the general election:

Clinton loses by 2 points to Trump (43%-45%), 1 point to Cruz (44%-45%), 6 points to Rubio (42%-48%) and 11 points to Kasich (38%-49%). That's a weaker standing than the former secretary of State showed in December's survey, when she narrowly led Trump and Cruz and trailed Rubio by just 2 points.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/02/17/usa-today-suffolk-poll-whos-more-electable/80452560/#

(This isn't the first, there have been others.  Of course, they are all worthless until the nominees are set for both parties.)

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« Reply #22 on: February 23, 2016, 11:20:19 pm »
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Re: Time for the RNC to Cut Trump Loose... Jon Gabriel, Ed.
« Reply #23 on: February 23, 2016, 11:40:12 pm »
The natural end result of Trumpism is the destruction of Reagan’s three-legged stool,

Only problem that is pure wishful thinking. As the outcome in SC shows Trump won all three groups.

Don't confuse people with facts, they're quite contented in their ignorance.

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« Reply #24 on: February 23, 2016, 11:42:52 pm »
Not a single poll has him beating Hillary at this  point.

Newest poll shows head-to-head: Rubio, Cruz and Donald Trump beating Hillary, in that order.