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Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« on: February 17, 2016, 07:22:40 pm »
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Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
February 17, 2016
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RUSH: Okay, we finally got lots of polling data in, and it's official. Trump has not been harmed by the Saturday night debate. And, in fact, you might be able to say that he helped himself in the Saturday night debate.

Greetings, my friends, and welcome. Great to have you. Rush Limbaugh, the EIB Network and Limbaugh Institute for Advanced Conservative Studies.

Now, you know, ladies and gentlemen, I posited that there might have been political strategy involved in Trump going after 9/11, WMD, George W. Bush. I don't know how many ways I observed and commented on what Trump's comments on that Saturday night debate were and what they sounded like, and you've probably heard them all from other people by now anyway -- that never in my life would I believe that a Republican front-runner would advocate for Planned Parenthood.

Never in my life would I believe that a Republican front-runner would go after the veneered former Republican president, revered in South Carolina, at least, 83% approval rating, George W. Bush. Never did I believe the Republican front-runner would sound exactly like Cindy Sheehan, Code Pink, what have you, in going after a former Republican president. And this was theorized by many people as Trump losing control, out of control, becoming unhinged, emotional incontinence, any number of things were used -- that was mine of course, quite clever of me -- to explain what had happened.

And then the stories populated all over the place that the hall, the arena was populated by donors, the crowd was mostly donors. That has been dispelled, by the way. The Trump camp and a lot of people wanted you to believe that Trump was being booed because they'd stacked the audience in there with establishment types opposed to him. But Sean Spicer of the RNC is out saying, no, no, no, the candidates got the lion's share of the tickets, we didn't stack anything.

So I said maybe he didn't lose control. Maybe there wasn't any emotional incontinence here and maybe Trump wasn't unhinged. Maybe there's an active philosophy or theory, political strategy, and I explained what it was. And I'm just rehashing this because I want to add something to it. So stick with me here. My point was South Carolina's an open state and there are internal polls from the Bush campaign that showed Ted Cruz really, really, really gaining.

By the way, speaking of that. One of my most revered and admired figures, Dr. Thomas Sowell, has written a column endorsing Ted Cruz. And it's a really powerful, good column, and in it he is essentially asking some of the low-tier candidates that have no prayer of winning to get out, so that there can be a unification of all of these non-Trump Republican voters, unification behind -- he wants it to be Ted Cruz.

Now, Kasich's not gonna get out, and Jeb's not gonna get out, and Carson is probably not gonna get out, at least -- well, no time soon. Who am I forgetting? Kasich. Kasich's not gonna get out. Carson's not gonna get out. Jeb's not gonna and Rubio is not gonna get out. So what Sowell wants, a unification. His theory is that there are many more Republican votes against Trump than there are for Trump. And the only hope, the only prayer of stopping Trump is if they unify behind one candidate opposed to Trump. He's suggesting and saying it should be Ted Cruz, that's who he's endorsed. And I wanted to point that out in case you had missed it. Sowell is a highly respected figure on the right.

Back to the additional Trump theory, 'cause he's surrounded by political pros. He's surrounded by a cadre of conservatives, which tell him the boundaries. 'Cause he's not, as I have said -- I don't know how many times I've said it, I'll say it again -- Donald Trump is not a natural-born conservative. He's not a natural-born liberal. He's not an ideological person in the sense that you and I are. He doesn't look at Chuck Schumer and see a raving, raging liberal hypocrite who poses a threat to the country as founded. He doesn't see Schumer that way. He sees him as a fellow New Yorker and a Democrat, and that's it. Some days he might like what he's doing, and other days he might not.

That's not to say that Trump is not actively conservative or not actively liberal. It's just some people are not ideological. This bothers me. I wish more people were, as you know. I wish more people were able to spot liberalism and identify and attach liberalism to the failures and the messes that exist in this country, 'cause the Democrat Party is the most destructive force, and it is dominated by left-wing radicals. It's the most destructive force in this country. So Trump was making a move for some of those voters, either because Cruz was gaining ground in the internal polling or because Trump and his people figured, "You know what? If we slam dunk it here we could effectively end this. We can dispirit everybody. We can depressing everybody, and we can just pretty much wrap this up, if we win big in South Carolina."

So it was either that or trying to stave off and hold off Cruz, 'cause Cruz is gaining ground. Trump makes a move on the left wing, the independents, the Democrats, the far left-wing radicals with all that stuff that he said about Bush. But there's one other possibility, and let's acknowledge here that there might be people playing this game thinking months and months ahead of time while everybody else is focused on today, this week, and the next primary. It could well be that there are a lot of people in the Trump camp who are already planning their national campaign under the belief that they have already won this. And if so -- I just want to throw something out there to you -- if so, what is the number one issue that Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders is going to attack the Republican nominee on?

What are they gonna do, in the presidential, general election, what is, if not the top thing, it's certainly gonna be in the top three, are they not gonna go after the Iraq war? Because they have not stopped going after the Iraq war. Are they gonna go after the recession? They have not stopped going after the recession. Are they gonna go after Bush as responsible for all of it? Yes. They have not stopped going after Bush. To this day they blame Bush for everything still going wrong in the country today. They blame Bush for the economy, not Obama. They blame Bush for ISIS, not Obama. Obama gets blamed for none of what has happened the last seven years.

All of that -- in the minds of these left-wing radicals -- is the fault of George W. Bush and the Republicans. And that, without question, is going to be a major part of their campaign against whoever the Republican nominee is. It has to be. They have to protect Obama's legacy. And in the process of trying to keep the White House, they can't acknowledge... I mean, Hillary and Bernie are running around ripping the economy. They're running around ripping everything, ripping health care.

And we're all sitting here kind of stymied, saying, "Wait a minute. Isn't this kind of crazy? Who's been running the show the last seven years?" But the reason that Hillary and Bernie get away with it is that their own Looney Toon voters do not blame Obama for this. So when Hillary and Obama run around and criticize health care in America as "not enough," it's not Obama's fault. "Obama's doing the best he could. Obama's doing the best he can! It's a good first step, but we still have all of these legacies and all of these pockmarks from Bush that continue to gum up the works."

The hatred for George W. Bush in the far-left radical sectors of this country is unknowable to you. It is so intense and so deeply held, it's going to last lifetimes. They succeeded in creating this with the help of the media and a relentless attack on Bush that went unanswered for five years. So point being -- and I'm throwing this out there as a possibility -- what if the reason Trump was doing all of that on Saturday night was, as I have stated, he's trying to attract left-wing votes to build up his majority victory that he thinks he's going to have in South Carolina?

But he also, by going there, took that entire series of issues out of the ammo arsenal of Hillary Clinton in a general election. Possibly. Just speculating here, folks. I know nothing for sure because I'm just... Well, call it educated guessing. But everybody is still trying to figure out what happened to Trump. Why did he do it? I've maintained all along that he's not an idiot and he's not insane, unhinged, out of control, all that. There has to be a reason he did that. There has to be a reason.

I think it was a studied, researched and thoroughly vetted strategical maneuver. And I think it has to do with more than just getting Democrat votes Saturday in South Carolina. I think it's all about changing the electoral map, making traditional blue states possible, because when you start echoing what the radical left thinks and when you put that together with the negatives that Hillary Clinton has -- and they are profound. I mean, the Democrats... Did you hear...? There was a rapper. I never got the rapper's name. I just saw this right before the program.

The rapper was doing some rap or some speech somewhere, talking about Hillary Clinton, and he said, "A uterus does not entitle you to the presidency." A black, African-American rapper was ramming it home on Hillary. A uterus doesn't mean you automatically get our votes. Folks, look at her negatives. They are high. The only demographic group that doesn't have a problem with Hillary is 65-and-older women. You go to any other group, and her negatives are sky-high, which means that if there is in any way a credible alternative to her out there...

That's why Bernie's doing so well. He's a credible alternative. In fact, not even an alternative. He's a credible preferred candidate in many sectors. So there could be a really big, big, big, long game being played here. And I could be all wet. This could be all wrong, too. They may not be this smart in the Trump campaign. They may not have people thinking this far forward. Who knows? But I'm just joining the chorus of people trying to figure it out, make it understandable, come up with plausible theories for it.

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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2016, 07:33:51 pm »

How could this be? Trump is obviously a madman. Opinions are precious, aren't they?

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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2016, 08:01:25 pm »
How could this be? Trump is obviously a madman. Opinions are precious, aren't they?

Yeah, I guess Trump IS crazy...

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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2016, 08:12:20 pm »
Some folks fear what Trump can do to them if they dare to disagree.  Rush lives in FLorida and there is no doubt in my mind that Trump's lawyers have lots of dirt on Rush.
Simone is beholden to Trump as he is hired by Trump for his many roasts, celebrity events, etc.
Hannity stated on his radio program the other day that he says nice things about the candidates so he will have ACCESS.   
Principled support for a liar is missing.  Joe Piscopo also counts on being hired by Trump for celebrity events.  These people have dollars to lose so they sell their souls.
When Trump began losing his mind over Rosie it was because she dared to mention his four bankruptcies.  So I guess his calling them Chapter 11 events gives him the right to sue sue sue.
Trump trashes Starbucks because he doesn't like their Christmas coffee cups.  Oh that will surely keep America safe..........
Trump wants to pretend USA didn't sign on to NAFTA..........hello.....that includes MEXICO.
Bashing China, day in and day out.  No doubt they are shaking in their boots.
Trump insists we went into Iraq to steal their oil.   Oh really????

GIVE ME A BREAK

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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2016, 08:13:03 pm »
Yeah, I guess Trump IS crazy...

...like a fox.   :smokin:

Like a bull who drops a cow patty, Trump just waits for the flies.
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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2016, 08:15:23 pm »
Some folks fear what Trump can do to them if they dare to disagree.  Rush lives in FLorida and there is no doubt in my mind that Trump's lawyers have lots of dirt on Rush.
Simone is beholden to Trump as he is hired by Trump for his many roasts, celebrity events, etc.
Hannity stated on his radio program the other day that he says nice things about the candidates so he will have ACCESS.   
Principled support for a liar is missing.  Joe Piscopo also counts on being hired by Trump for celebrity events.  These people have dollars to lose so they sell their souls.
When Trump began losing his mind over Rosie it was because she dared to mention his four bankruptcies.  So I guess his calling them Chapter 11 events gives him the right to sue sue sue.
Trump trashes Starbucks because he doesn't like their Christmas coffee cups.  Oh that will surely keep America safe..........
Trump wants to pretend USA didn't sign on to NAFTA..........hello.....that includes MEXICO.
Bashing China, day in and day out.  No doubt they are shaking in their boots.
Trump insists we went into Iraq to steal their oil.   Oh really????

GIVE ME A BREAK

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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2016, 08:16:31 pm »
btw, nothing will hurt Trump because his followers have stopped thinking, evaluating, perceiving, and just cheer on whatever garbage comes out of his mouth.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2016, 08:19:13 pm »
I wish Rush would be less of a media whore and coward, and would stand up and firmly oppose Trump.   This is no time to be amused by evil.  It must be actively and directly opposed.   
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« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2016, 08:26:00 pm »
btw, nothing will hurt Trump because his followers have stopped thinking, evaluating, perceiving, and just cheer on whatever garbage comes out of his mouth.

At this point, they're too invested in him and would lose massive face if they admitted he's the charlatan we say he is.
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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2016, 08:27:42 pm »
Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh are friends.

They've played golf together.

Rush is staying neutral because "it's business".  Whenever he gets the opportunity, he extols Ted Cruz' virtues and strengths as the "Only True Conservative.....".

But he's not going to cheerlead until Cruz shows he's worthy of it.
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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2016, 08:34:23 pm »
At this point, they're too invested in him and would lose massive face if they admitted he's the charlatan we say he is.

Agreed.
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2016, 11:55:10 pm »
One thing I do know.   South Carolina is an open primary.  Dems can vote in the republican primary. Well, it was Rush who began to extoll the virtues of Operation Chaos.  So how does it feel to undermine our right to vote.
Cheating is the hallmark of the dem party.  Everyone knew that Nixon beat JFK. 
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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2016, 12:19:59 am »
btw, nothing will hurt Trump because his followers have stopped thinking, evaluating, perceiving, and just cheer on whatever garbage comes out of his mouth.
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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2016, 12:27:44 am »
I learned here, a few days ago, that in one thread a chiropractor and PhD shared a view and sort of objected to being considered stupid for that view.

Supporting Trump is not about mental acuity.

For most of his supporters, it's all about emotion.  Voters who would eliminate for consideration for anything but bar talk a person who thinks that GW Bush allowed 9/11 and bears some responsibility for it, now suck down such detritus when it's from Trump.

Flies have to swarm cow patties. That's all I can figure.
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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2016, 12:34:16 am »
One thing I do know.   South Carolina is an open primary.  Dems can vote in the republican primary. Well, it was Rush who began to extoll the virtues of Operation Chaos.  So how does it feel to undermine our right to vote.
Cheating is the hallmark of the dem party.  Everyone knew that Nixon beat JFK. 
This is nothing new but I would prefer some principles.             
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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2016, 12:39:45 am »
I learned here, a few days ago, that in one thread a chiropractor and PhD shared a view and sort of objected to being considered stupid for that view.

Stopping thinking has nothing to do with being stupid.

One can be very intelligent and decide not to think critically any more.

Leftists profs do it all the time.  High IQ's, lack of critical thought.

No one who is thinking critically and has an ounce of conservatism in him/her is truly in favor of a Democrat loudmouth.   They've just blocked out all the evidence and refuse to accept that he isn't who they imagine him to be.
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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2016, 12:46:04 am »
A general opinion about Trump supporters is not a personal attack on TBR members who may see themselves as among the so-opined Trump supporters.

There certainly are Trump supporters who are voting for the Donald  for reasons that aren't "weak-minded" (the term I've used).  Some are seeking destruction,  for the GOP and those they've decided to label "establishment".   That isn't weak-mindedness,  that's mendacious to a lot of us,  who've worked and voted with the party for many years.   But so be it.  Constructive destruction might be a good thing;  it's too bad the anger being scratched by Trump can't be more constructively applied towards backing, say,  Ted Cruz.  (Yeah, I'm for Kasich, but I can still admire Cruz's adherences to principle and Constitutionalism and see the "Republican" in him.  Trump's an embarrassment.

But what makes Trump appalling is his naked appeal to the weak-minded.   Those enchanted by bluster,  and scabs picked, and prejudices enflamed.  Those that are juiced by Trump's approach to politics as stand-up comedy. Some smart folks may see all that as means to an end with respect to desired policy (e.g., deporting illegals),  but c'mon,  the man's coarsening the discourse,  bullying his rivals,  pitching like a carney barker,  taking patently insincere and vacuous positions,  and wielding a scattershot and ego-crazed temper.

  Do the smart folks here really want this unmoored madman in the White House? 

Have you really sat down and thought long and hard and decided he's worth the terrible risk?.

     

   
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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2016, 01:26:51 am »
Again...you guys just don't get it.

Donald Trump is merely the vehicle...the horse (on speed), you need to WIN in November.

Donald Trump hasn't even started getting people riled up over the cost of heath-care and 30 hr weeks with no benefits....with the twenty-something child living in the basement with his girlfriend.

Wait until he REALLY gets the masses riled up.   The Democrats are going insane...they don't know what to do.
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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2016, 01:36:19 am »
Again...you guys just don't get it.

Donald Trump is merely the vehicle...the horse (on speed), you need to WIN in November.

Donald Trump hasn't even started getting people riled up over the cost of heath-care and 30 hr weeks with no benefits....with the twenty-something child living in the basement with his girlfriend.

Wait until he REALLY gets the masses riled up.   The Democrats are going insane...they don't know what to do.

He's hit his ceiling. See the latest NBC/WSJ poll. Trump dropped eight and Cruz went up 7.  A 15 point swing.  Striking.
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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2016, 02:10:14 am »
wow it appears that everyone is tweeting donna trump unfairly....


Mark levin caught it today...


the trump supporters are the Ross Perot supporters of 2o16


one differcence..... Perot didn't bolt the   republican party....in midstream




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Re: Rush: Polling Data: Debate Didn't Hurt Trump
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2016, 03:48:40 am »
One thing I do know.   South Carolina is an open primary.  Dems can vote in the republican primary. Well, it was Rush who began to extoll the virtues of Operation Chaos.  So how does it feel to undermine our right to vote.
Cheating is the hallmark of the dem party.  Everyone knew that Nixon beat JFK. 
This is nothing new but I would prefer some principles.             

I doubt that will happen.  The Clinton/Sanders primary is important for Democrats.  It's when their primary is a waste of time that they play games.