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Cruz's Eligibility Was Challenged in New Hampshire
« on: January 11, 2016, 12:44:58 am »
CONCORD, N.H. —Two challenges to U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz’s eligibility to serve as president have been filed with the New Hampshire Ballot Law Commission, both alleging that Cruz does not meet the requirement that the president must be a natural-born citizen as defined by the constitution.

   
Challenges to Cruz ‘natural-born’ citizenship to be heard in NH next week
State Ballot Law Commission gives notice of Nov. 24 hearings on Cruz, Sanders eligibility


Cruz’s campaign says the question has been answered numerous times, including in a finding earlier this year by two solicitors general – one a Democrat and one a Republican – that Cruz is a natural-born citizen because his mother was a U.S. citizen. As is well known, Cruz was born in Calgary, Canada, while his father was working there for an oil company.

While Cruz’s father is a naturalized citizen, his mother is a natural-born citizen who was born in Delaware.

The New Hampshire Ballot Law Commission issued formal notice on Monday that the challenges to Cruz’s eligibility will be heard on Nov. 24.

There has never been an official challenge specific to Cruz’s eligibility to run for president filed with an adjudicatory body until now, Cruz campaign spokesman Rick Tyler said.

Also schedule to be reviewed by the six-member bipartisan commission that day is  a challenge to U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ eligibility to appear on the New Hampshire Democratic primary ballot. A complaint alleging that Sanders is ineligible was filed last week by attorney Andrew Martin of Illinois. The series of hearings are scheduled to begin at 9 a.m.

Christopher Booth of Concord, New Hampshire, and Cameron Elliott of Pennsylvania filed separate challenges to Cruz, arguing that although Cruz’s mother is an American citizen, Cruz is ineligible because he was born in Canada, outside of the jurisdiction of the United States.

Elliott, a self-described progressive activist, pointed out that Cruz is a citizen only by virtue of an act of Congress that allows those born of American citizens but outside of the U.S. to be considered “natural born” citizens. The constitution, however, says that only “natural born” citizens are allowed to serve as president.

A law passed in 1790 said that “children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.”

Elliott argues that Cruz is not a natural-born citizen as defined by the constitution, but rather as defined by a federal law passed by Congress after the constitution was adopted. That, he argues, makes Cruz ineligible.

Booth is an undeclared Concord resident who has run for numerous state offices, including the U.S. Senate and mayor of Concord.

He makes a similar argument, writing that “those who are citizens by virtue of an act passed by Congress – that is, laws, statutes, or acts, of naturalization, are naturalized citizens. While (those) who have been born within the jurisdiction of the United States are naturally citizens, natural born citizens, constitutionally, irregardless (sic) of any congressional act.”

Cruz’s campaign had no comment on the challenges. A spokesman said the campaign has no plans to file responses to the paperwork filed by Booth and Mitchell.

“The commission will conduct the hearing and we’ll await its decision,” campaign spokesman Rick Tyler said.

Cruz himself has spoken often on the issue, but not recently, insisting that the question is settled.

Earlier this year, former solicitors general Neal Katyal, who was appointed by President Barack Obama, and Paul Clement, who was appointed by former President George W. Bush, wrote in the Harvard Law Review:

“Despite the happenstance of birth across the border, there is no question that Sen. Cruz has been a citizen from birth and is thus a ‘natural born citizen’ within the meaning of the Constitution.”

They said Cruz’s situation is similar to those of former presidential candidate U.S. Sen. John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone; U.S. Sen. Barry Goldwater, who was born in Arizona before it became a state, and Michigan Gov. George Romney, who was born in Mexico to U.S. citizens.

"There are plenty of serious issues to debate in the upcoming presidential election cycle," Clement and Katyal wrote. "The less time spent dealing with specious objections to candidate eligibility, the better."

Several other legal scholars, including Harvard Law Professor Alan Dershowitz, have also concluded that Cruz is a natural-born citizen as defined by the constitution, and eligible.

“The facts are clear,” Cruz said earlier this year. “I was born in Calgary. My parents, as legal matter, my mother is an American citizen by birth. And it’s been federal law for over two centuries that the child of an American citizen born abroad is a citizen by birth, a natural born citizen.”

http://www.wmur.com/politics/challenges-to-cruz-naturalborn-citizenship-to-be-heard-in-nh-next-week/36482768
« Last Edit: January 11, 2016, 12:45:38 am by libertybele »
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Re: Cruz's Eligibility Was Challenged in New Hampshire
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2016, 01:52:35 am »
So, the hearing has already occurred?  What were their findings?

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Re: Cruz's Eligibility Was Challenged in New Hampshire
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2016, 02:04:57 am »
So, the hearing has already occurred?  What were their findings?

Yes.  They voted in favor of Cruz and Sanders eligibility.  The article is rather interesting.  Cruz apparently has been dealing with this for awhile along with trying to run a campaign and his seat in the Senate.  Good thing he's young. 

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/11/regardless-of-canadian-birth-ted-cruz-survives-ballot-challenge-in-new-hampshire.html/
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Re: Cruz's Eligibility Was Challenged in New Hampshire
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2016, 02:21:03 am »
Good grief.  It appears that Rubio's eligibility has been in question as well. Even though Rubio was born in the U.S., neither of his parents are U.S. citizens.  Let's see, as far as eligibility; Sanders, Trump, Cruz, Jindal, Santorum and Rubio have all been challenged.  Seem to be an obvious pattern developing here.  IMHO - If Hillary doesn't look like she's going to be president ... "they" can try to knock them out of the race in another way.

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2015/11/new-hampshire-ballot-access-challenges.html
« Last Edit: January 11, 2016, 02:29:16 am by libertybele »
Romans 12:16-21

Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Re: Cruz's Eligibility Was Challenged in New Hampshire
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2016, 02:25:39 am »
Apparently, being President is one of those jobs natural born Americans just won't do 

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Re: Cruz's Eligibility Was Challenged in New Hampshire
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2016, 02:45:04 am »
Yes.  They voted in favor of Cruz and Sanders eligibility.  The article is rather interesting.  Cruz apparently has been dealing with this for awhile along with trying to run a campaign and his seat in the Senate.  Good thing he's young. 

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2015/11/regardless-of-canadian-birth-ted-cruz-survives-ballot-challenge-in-new-hampshire.html/

Thanks Liberty, I'm glad to hear that! 

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Re: Cruz's Eligibility Was Challenged in New Hampshire
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2016, 04:36:46 am »
Thinking back, I imagine nobody giving Obama the 3rd degree, saying he was born in Kenya, in Indonesia, by various fathers, etc. would begin to think .....

.....what goes around, comes around.

--Rubio born on US soil, with no citizen parent

--Obama born on US soil, with one citizen parent

--Cruz, not born on US soil, with one citizen parent

--George Romney, not born on US soil, with two citizen parents

--John McCain, not born on US soil, with two citizen parents

--Chester A. Arthur, suggested he was born in Canada, with two citizen parents

An overriding problem is there is NOT a single, agreed definition of "natural born citizen."

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Re: Cruz's Eligibility Was Challenged in New Hampshire
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2016, 04:54:09 am »
Thinking back, I imagine nobody giving Obama the 3rd degree, saying he was born in Kenya, in Indonesia, by various fathers, etc. would begin to think .....

.....what goes around, comes around.

--Rubio born on US soil, with no citizen parent

--Obama born on US soil, with one citizen parent

--Cruz, not born on US soil, with one citizen parent

--George Romney, not born on US soil, with two citizen parents

--John McCain, not born on US soil, with two citizen parents

--Chester A. Arthur, suggested he was born in Canada, with two citizen parents

An overriding problem is there is NOT a single, agreed definition of "natural born citizen."

It really depends on if you are a Republican or a Democrat.   :pondering:

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Re: Cruz's Eligibility Was Challenged in New Hampshire
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2016, 05:20:41 am »
It really depends on if you are a Republican or a Democrat.   :pondering:
I am a Republican. And I recall reading all of the garbage strewn on the internet about Obama. Not merely asking questions about his NBC qualifications, but really crude stuff.

And it went on for years, and escalated. A lot of conservatives and Republicans saw it as potentially damaging to their own reputations.

Now if the discussion really takes off on OUR Candidates, I am not surprised. There is no precedent for it remaining civil, or appropriate.

I honestly do NOT know if Cruz and Rubio qualify according to the original intentions of our Founders. I do want it decided in a court. 
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Re: Cruz's Eligibility Was Challenged in New Hampshire
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2016, 05:55:05 am »
Apparently, being President is one of those jobs natural born Americans just won't do
Natural born Americans, born to privilege, recognize they will be hated for being human.
The huge problem this creates is that the idiots willing to be President are not worthy of the position.

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Re: Cruz's Eligibility Was Challenged in New Hampshire
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2016, 06:10:17 am »
Natural born Americans, born to privilege, recognize they will be hated for being human.
The huge problem this creates is that the idiots willing to be President are not worthy of the position.

So true.