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Trump and Cruz send shivers down GOP spines
« on: January 06, 2016, 02:58:11 am »
The GOPe doesn't realize that the GOP as they know it is already ruined in the eyes of the majority of their voters.

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With only weeks before GOP primary voters first cast their ballots, the level of alarm among establishment Republicans about the enduring dominance of Donald Trump and Ted Cruz is reaching new heights.

In private conversations with several former aides, Mitt Romney, who in March will keynote the National Republican Congressional Committee’s annual fundraising dinner, has expressed rising frustration about Trump’s prolonged lead in polls and has argued that the real-estate mogul could inflict lasting damage on the party’s brand.

In Washington and elsewhere, meanwhile, Republicans are on the hunt for a political entity that can be used to stop Trump. In recent weeks, Alex Castellanos, a veteran TV ad man who was a top adviser to George W. Bush and Romney, has been meeting with top GOP operatives and donors to gauge interest in launching an anti-Trump vehicle that would pummel the Manhattan businessman on the television airwaves.

Those who’ve met with Castellanos say he’s offered detailed presentations on how such an offensive would play out. Castellanos has said that an anti-Trump ad campaign, which would be designed to cast him as a flawed strongman, would cost well into the millions. It was unclear, the sources said, whether Castellanos, who did not respond to a request for comment, would ultimately go through with the effort.

One growing worry about Trump or Cruz, top party officials, donors, and operatives across the country say, is that nominating either man would imperil lawmakers in down-ballot races, especially those residing in moderate states and districts.

“At some point, we have to deal with the fact that there are at least two candidates who could utterly destroy the Republican bench for a generation if they became the nominee,” said Josh Holmes, a former chief of staff to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. “We’d be hard-pressed to elect a Republican dogcatcher north of the Mason-Dixon or west of the Mississippi.”

“Trump and Cruz are worrisome to most Republican candidates for governor, senator and Congress,” said Curt Anderson, a longtime GOP strategist and former Republican National Committee political director. “Some will say they are not worried, but they are.”

Romney has been calling around to former advisers to sound them out about the race, and to kvetch about Trump’s surprising durability. But in the immediate term, at least, he has expressed unwillingness to lend his hand to a stop-Trump effort — or to endorse a candidate more palatable to a GOP establishment paralyzed by his rise and worried that nominating him or Cruz would scupper an opportunity to control both the White House and Congress in 2017.

The concern is particularly acute in the Senate, where Republicans are fighting to preserve a relatively slim four-seat majority, defending more than half a dozen seats in hard-to-win swing states. Among them: Ohio, a presidential battleground state where Republican Sen. Rob Portman faces a perilous path to reelection.

When Trump traveled to the state in November, he met with Matt Borges, Ohio’s Republican Party chairman — who warned the front-runner that “divisive rhetoric won’t help us carry Ohio.”

“It’s time for people who have never won squat here to listen to the people who have been doing it for decades,” Borges said in an interview. “I’m just looking out for how we win in November.”

In Wisconsin, some party officials fret that a Trump or Cruz nomination could sink Republican Sen. Ron Johnson, who faces a tough race against his predecessor, Russ Feingold.

“Certainly, it would be bad for Ron Johnson if Trump is the nominee,” said Wisconsin Rep. Reid Ribble who, like Johnson, was swept into Congress in the Republican wave of 2010. “I think Trump is probably really bad down-ballot.”

Some top party strategists have spent months considering how the outcome of the primary will impact congressional races. Since last spring, the National Republican Senatorial Committee has been poring over research and polling data in hopes of better understanding how each of the Republican candidates running for president would affect GOP hopefuls running for Senate. The committee has held internal meetings to discuss the pros and cons of each presidential contender and how they would affect each key Senate race.

The House, where Republicans have a historic 30-seat majority, is more secure for the party. But there, too, the GOP has reason to worry: The party must defend nearly three dozen endangered seats — many of them in liberal-to-moderate states like California, New York and Florida.
Should Trump or Cruz win the nomination, party operatives say, some longtime officeholders in more conservative districts such as New Jersey Rep. Scott Garrett or Florida Rep. John Mica, who typically skate to general election wins, could find themselves in tougher-than-usual contests.
Cruz’s campaign pushes back on the idea that the Texas senator would imperil those running in House and Senate races. A Cruz nomination, they argue, would motivate conservatives to turn out to vote in a way that an establishment candidate couldn’t.

“Down-ballot Republicans need Ted Cruz at the top of the ticket because he is the only candidate in the race who can excite the base to show up in November,” said Rick Tyler, a Cruz spokesman. “If we chose another moderate, we will simply lose seats we would otherwise win.”
Trump’s campaign didn’t respond to a request for comment.

Some, though, are already counseling Republican candidates to begin to think about how to distance themselves from a Trump or Cruz in the event either wins the nomination.

“Candidates will need to develop their own brand,” said Pennsylvania Rep. Charlie Dent, a Republican who has represented a swing district in Lehigh Valley since 2004. “A candidate will need to run his or her own campaign and distance themselves from the top of the ticket.”

Among the tricky questions candidates will be forced to consider: whether it’s worth endorsing either potential nominee.

Illinois Rep. Bob Dold, a Republican who represents a liberal-leaning, suburban Chicago district, said he had ruled out endorsing Trump. He declined to say whether he’d back Cruz.

While Dold said he was monitoring the primary, he argued that voters would be willing to look beyond the party’s presidential nominee when determining his fate in November.

“Illinois 10th District,” he said, “has a long history of ticket splitting.”


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Re: Trump and Cruz send shivers down GOP spines
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2016, 03:15:18 am »
At times, this article reads like one of John Semmen's semi-satire pieces.  It is hard to believe that some Republican politicians can be this stupid.  Trump and Cruz are so popular that these dumba$$es think that will hurt them down-ticket - so they will spend time, energy and money to fight the top candidates of their own party - instead of using that energy on defeating Hillary. 

If you took all the other candidate's numbers and added them up - would they be more than Trump and Cruz's numbers put together?  I doubt it. 

It might not be realized yet, but the Republican party is already dead...from suicide.

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Re: Trump and Cruz send shivers down GOP spines
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2016, 03:58:44 am »
At some point, we have to deal with the fact that there are at least two candidates who could utterly destroy the Republican bench for a generation if they became the nominee,” said Josh Holmes, a former chief of staff to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. “We’d be hard-pressed to elect a Republican dogcatcher north of the Mason-Dixon or west of the Mississippi.”

Yet, none of these graybeards seem to understand how badly Obama has damaged the democrat brand and undermined down ballot candidates.

In my opinion, election history and Obama make this presidential election the GOP's to lose.
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Re: Trump and Cruz send shivers down GOP spines
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2016, 01:34:42 pm »
At times, this article reads like one of John Semmen's semi-satire pieces.  It is hard to believe that some Republican politicians can be this stupid.  Trump and Cruz are so popular that these dumba$$es think that will hurt them down-ticket - so they will spend time, energy and money to fight the top candidates of their own party - instead of using that energy on defeating Hillary. 

If you took all the other candidate's numbers and added them up - would they be more than Trump and Cruz's numbers put together?  I doubt it. 

It might not be realized yet, but the Republican party is already dead...from suicide.

The electorate handing them the majority in the mid terms gave the GOPe a false sense of security. They felt that the Bush dynasty and the remainder of the Washington cartel would never face opposition.  Trump was supposed to lose his popularity in a couple of weeks and they laughed at Cruz; an outsider and a junior Senator and saw him as insignificant with no chance of raising enough money or gaining enough popularity to make a difference.

I am praying that Trump and Cruz continue to hand them their heads on a platter.

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Re: Trump and Cruz send shivers down GOP spines
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2016, 01:51:44 pm »
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“I’m just looking out for how we win in November.”

Herein lies the problem.  Focus on winning but not doing anything.
What is the point of winning if we cannot/will not fix the problems?

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Re: Trump and Cruz send shivers down GOP spines
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2016, 03:50:52 pm »
The GOP has NO spine.
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Re: Trump and Cruz send shivers down GOP spines
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Re: Trump and Cruz send shivers down GOP spines
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2016, 09:45:02 pm »
At times, this article reads like one of John Semmen's semi-satire pieces.  It is hard to believe that some Republican politicians can be this stupid.  Trump and Cruz are so popular that these dumba$$es think that will hurt them down-ticket - so they will spend time, energy and money to fight the top candidates of their own party - instead of using that energy on defeating Hillary. 

If you took all the other candidate's numbers and added them up - would they be more than Trump and Cruz's numbers put together?  I doubt it. 

It might not be realized yet, but the Republican party is already dead...from suicide.

Senatorial elections are by state, with all the voters in the state voting.  Therefore, they cannot be gerrymandered.  Furthermore, they are not a primary, with only one party voting.

Therefore, it's important to have candidates that can win not just the conservative vote.. not just the Republican vote... but the majority of *ALL* votes in the state.

And Presidential candidates tend to have long coattails, aiding or harming downticket candidate by their existance. (If you doubt this effect, then you are saying that Obama as President had no negative influence for Democrat candidates in the 2014 elections.)

That is the GOP reasoning.  Can you refute these points?

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2016, 09:49:36 pm »
Herein lies the problem.  Focus on winning but not doing anything.
What is the point of winning if we cannot/will not fix the problems?

Obama embodied that sentiment on 2008.  He the used the Democrat win to craft Obamacare.  Now look at how many Democrats are in power at all levels of government (federal, state, local).

I don't really want to see that fall from power happen to us.

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Re: Trump and Cruz send shivers down GOP spines
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2016, 10:16:58 pm »
Obama embodied that sentiment on 2008.  He the used the Democrat win to craft Obamacare.  Now look at how many Democrats are in power at all levels of government (federal, state, local).

I don't really want to see that fall from power happen to us.

And we gave him a Republican controlled congress to stop him.... Oh wait.... Just kidding

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2016, 06:35:31 am »
Senatorial elections are by state, with all the voters in the state voting.  Therefore, they cannot be gerrymandered.  Furthermore, they are not a primary, with only one party voting.

Therefore, it's important to have candidates that can win not just the conservative vote.. not just the Republican vote... but the majority of *ALL* votes in the state.

And Presidential candidates tend to have long coattails, aiding or harming downticket candidate by their existance. (If you doubt this effect, then you are saying that Obama as President had no negative influence for Democrat candidates in the 2014 elections.)

That is the GOP reasoning.  Can you refute these points?

I can't.  Great post.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/265023-fearing-trump-and-cruz-gop-looks-to-rubio

 By Ben Kamisar - 01/07/16 06:00 AM EST

The GOP establishment is beginning to coalesce around Marco Rubio’s presidential bid amid fears that a victory by Donald Trump or Ted Cruz would sink the party in November.

Weeks before the first round of primary voting, the Florida senator’s campaign has rolled out a series of high-profile congressional endorsements, including from House ­Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) on Wednesday.

Rubio is now just a handful of congressional endorsements behind former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, the onetime GOP front-runner and establishment pick.

The 44-year-old Cuban-American senator has long been seen by Republicans as the party’s best hope against Hillary Clinton. Many political observers believe Rubio, who has more than held his own on the debate stage, would be a solid contrast to Clinton, the top pick to win the Democratic nomination.

Polls bear that out. The RealClearPolitics average in head-to-head surveys shows Rubio with a 1.3 percent lead over Clinton, while she is tied with Texas Sen. Cruz and holds a 4.8-point lead on business mogul Trump.

Yet Rubio’s candidacy hasn’t caught fire.

He’s well behind both Trump and Cruz in national polls, and just ahead of retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson, whose candidacy is flailing.

Worse, Rubio doesn’t appear to be a favorite in a single early-voting state.

He trails Cruz and Trump badly in Iowa and is well behind Trump in New Hampshire. He’s also struggling against Trump and Cruz in South Carolina.

Rubio also hasn’t had a campaign-defining moment yet that has significantly elevated his standing.

And on Wednesday, Chaffetz’s endorsement of the senator was overshadowed by a social media furor over his footwear: stylish black boots with a high heel.

Several of Rubio’s rivals mocked the boots, with Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) appearing in Whoopi Goldberg’s dressing room ahead of an appearance on “The View.”

“We’ve seen Rubio has those cute new boots, and I don’t want to be outdone,” Paul said in a video posted to Twitter.

Team Rubio is expressing confidence about his standing in the race.

“According to every metric we care about on the ground in the early states, we are definitely making progress towards doing very well in February,” spokesman Alex Conant said in an interview.

He called crowd sizes at events over the past week the “biggest of the entire campaign.”

“When Marco entered this race in April, the establishment was telling him to wait his turn and to run for reelection,” Conant said. “Other candidates continue to raise more money than us, but I don’t think there’s any question that Marco has gained significant momentum over the past few weeks.”

A new survey released Wednesday by Public Policy Polling did find Rubio in second place in New Hampshire and 4 points ahead of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, who has been gaining ground in the state.

Still, with 15 percent support, Rubio was well behind Trump’s 29 percent.

Rubio’s congressional endorsements are not likely to be game-changers, but they do suggest growing support for the Floridian to be his party’s standard-bearer.

Chaffetz, House Benghazi Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), former Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Rep. Mia Love (R-Utah) are acting as surrogates, often appearing on cable television to speak on his behalf.

Conant noted Gowdy and Love aren’t seen by conservatives as establishment politicians either, which he said underscores Rubio’s broad coalition of support.

He added that the campaign will announce more congressional endorsements in the “coming weeks.”

One House Republican who spoke to The Hill on background said he’s been encouraged by his colleagues’ support of Rubio.

“I recognize the fact that if Rubio is our nominee, we’ve got a chance to really grow our vote share of Republicans,” said a GOP lawmaker who will not make a formal endorsement in the primary. “If Trump is our nominee, it will shrink the number. So I think it’s good for our party if Rubio is the nominee.

“When you have conservatives like Chaffetz and Gowdy get on board with Rubio, it tells me this internal thought process we’re having ... we’re coming to the right conclusion that we need the most conservative, electable candidate.”

The endorsements could also help Rubio with the GOP’s donor class, says Republican strategist and former senior congressional aide Ron Bonjean.

“If elected officials and members of Congress are starting to flood towards Rubio, that’s a sign for donors of where they might want to put their dollars,” he said. “Having these members out there is a signal to other [members] that this is where the trend is heading.”

Gowdy has already hit the trail to buttress concerns from the base over Rubio’s backing of a 2013 Senate bill reforming the nation’s immigration laws. The legislation remains a problem for Rubio because it’s made some conservatives view him with suspicion — something that has been fanned by Cruz.

“If I were not convinced that Marco Rubio was the person to ensure border security, interior security and employment security, I wouldn’t be wasting your time,” Gowdy said last week.
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