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Re: Explosion, shootout reported in Paris
« Reply #325 on: November 15, 2015, 12:24:24 am »
Hey, ML, my father was in Paris during the 1968 riots, too! He asked a protester what they hoped to accomplish, and the jeune homme had no clue.

The 60s were the 60s. We boomers were coming of age - feeling our oats, testing our limits. We protested for the sheer fun of it and the feeling of defiance that protesting authority brought. Hey, you're 18-19 yo.

We, however, encountered significant push back from the establishment. Reagan, as governor of California deployed the national guard to Berkeley, for example.

The kids at Mizzou, however, encountered no resistance from authorities. What fun is protesting the establishment if authorities are on the picket line with you?

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« Reply #326 on: November 15, 2015, 12:29:51 am »
The last time I was in Paris was 1968 and while walking down the street, I had the wonderful experience of being tear gassed.

I hear it's been a nice place since then.

No more.

The problem is that every 'leader' in Europe thinks that imaginary "climate change" is a more serious threat than Islamic terrorism.

There's no way that this temporary anger from France's leaders will result in any serious fight against this enemy.

There is no fight left in Europe.  They let in the barbarians, and the barbarians will win the war.

I've been there several times since 68. Honestly prefer to be anywhere else in the country 50 miles or more from Paris. 

Completely different people out there.
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« Reply #327 on: November 15, 2015, 12:36:22 am »
Hey, ML, my father was in Paris during the 1968 riots, too! He asked a protester what they hoped to accomplish, and the jeune homme had no clue.

I didn't get anywhere near the protesters.  My eyes were so irritated blocks away that I turned around and went back to the hotel.

btw, do protesters EVER have a clue as to why they're there??    **nononono*
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« Reply #328 on: November 15, 2015, 12:38:31 am »
Not entirely...I was tear gassed there going to dinner in 1984.

You're kidding!  What was going on in '84 to make that happen?  (I was too busy back then raising 3 children ages four and under to pay much attention to world affairs.  ^-^ )
Character still matters.  It always matters.

I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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« Reply #329 on: November 15, 2015, 12:48:24 am »
You're kidding!  What was going on in '84 to make that happen?  (I was too busy back then raising 3 children ages four and under to pay much attention to world affairs.  ^-^ )

I might "misremember" but that was about the time the farmers were protesting. Dumping milk, grain and raising hell.
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Re: Explosion, shootout reported in Paris
« Reply #330 on: November 15, 2015, 12:57:17 am »
You're kidding!  What was going on in '84 to make that happen?  (I was too busy back then raising 3 children ages four and under to pay much attention to world affairs.  ^-^ )

There were two demonstrations, one was the Palestinians and there was a counter demonstration by the Jewish community.  The two got too close together in a rather nice area...right where we were going to restaurant.  The tear gas was to break it up and it wafted over to where we were.
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« Reply #331 on: November 15, 2015, 01:02:57 am »
btw, do protesters EVER have a clue as to why they're there??    **nononono*

Yes, and it is most often the same reason, as with the 1969 anti-war march on Washington or the Paris Commune: the very human need for self-affirmation, as distilled in a crowd. Sometimes though, a truer and greater purpose transcends individual motive, as with the great civil rights rally in Washington 1963. That all are created equal and the innocent deserving of liberty is a rare and worthy cause for protest.

Perhaps we need another such gathering.
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Re: Explosion, shootout reported in Paris
« Reply #332 on: November 15, 2015, 01:41:39 am »
andy wrote above:
"That all are created equal and the innocent deserving of liberty is a rare and worthy cause for protest.
Perhaps we need another such gathering."


Andy, you know better than that.

Have not the events of the past few days -- actually, the past few months as hordes invade Europe -- demonstrated to us that "equality" is a noble but hopeless dream... a myth...?

Adendum:
The only "equality" mankind will ever attain is when we are all under the boot of totalitarianism -- all "equal" -- as slaves....
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« Reply #333 on: November 15, 2015, 02:18:37 am »
andy wrote above:
"That all are created equal and the innocent deserving of liberty is a rare and worthy cause for protest.
Perhaps we need another such gathering."


Andy, you know better than that.

Have not the events of the past few days -- actually, the past few months as hordes invade Europe -- demonstrated to us that "equality" is a noble but hopeless dream... a myth...?

Adendum:
The only "equality" mankind will ever attain is when we are all under the boot of totalitarianism -- all "equal" -- as slaves....

There can be no reconciliation with Islam. At least, not until there is reconciliation within Islam. And until that happens, isolating Islam's practices is necessary for our survival.

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« Reply #334 on: November 15, 2015, 02:26:14 am »
There can be no reconciliation with Islam. At least, not until there is reconciliation within Islam. And until that happens, isolating Islam's practices is necessary for our survival.

Absolutely agree!   :patriot:
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Re: Explosion, shootout reported in Paris
« Reply #335 on: November 15, 2015, 02:29:12 am »
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4612974417001/23-year-old-american-woman-killed-in-paris-attacks/?intcmp=hpvid1#sp=show-clips

23-year-old American woman killed in Paris attacks

Nov. 14, 2015 - 0:43 - California State University, Long Beach student identified among victims

video at link
She was from Whittier, where I was born. She attends Cal State Long Beach.
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Re: Explosion, shootout reported in Paris
« Reply #336 on: November 15, 2015, 03:09:36 am »
Pam Gellar has some video of the attack...warning..very graphic

http://pamelageller.com/2015/11/new-graphic-footage-of-paris-attacks-warning.html/
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Re: Explosion, shootout reported in Paris
« Reply #337 on: November 15, 2015, 03:22:10 am »
If this is going to be the attitude, then I'm done with this board for a while.

I have great respect for those who have served, but it goes as far as it goes. I have no use for anyone that uses military service as some kind certification of sainthood. When you leave, you're done, what you do after is a much as a measure of you as when you were there. Anyone who sits and plays the military card their whole lives isn't respecting the uniform as far as I'm concerned.
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« Reply #338 on: November 15, 2015, 03:32:26 am »
Pam Gellar has some video of the attack...warning..very graphic

http://pamelageller.com/2015/11/new-graphic-footage-of-paris-attacks-warning.html/

The gripping fear these poor folks must have felt. Horrible.

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« Reply #339 on: November 15, 2015, 03:33:18 am »
If this is going to be the attitude, then I'm done with this board for a while.

No one else as far as I know feels that way...and I am coming from being an Air Force brat, married to hubby who was in the Army for over 40 years..and now a son who is coming up on his 15th year....this is a volunteer military and unless something big happens should stay that way....military life is not for everyone and no one should be faulted for not serving..just my 2cents
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Re: Explosion, shootout reported in Paris
« Reply #340 on: November 15, 2015, 03:36:04 am »
Pam Gellar has some video of the attack...warning..very graphic

http://pamelageller.com/2015/11/new-graphic-footage-of-paris-attacks-warning.html/

Incredible video. Disturbing and maddening.
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« Reply #341 on: November 15, 2015, 03:54:01 am »
No one else as far as I know feels that way...and I am coming from being an Air Force brat, married to hubby who was in the Army for over 40 years..and now a son who is coming up on his 15th year....this is a volunteer military and unless something big happens should stay that way....military life is not for everyone and no one should be faulted for not serving..just my 2cents

I agree. In a perfect world we wouldn't need a military. But, since this isn't a perfect world, I understand the powerful emotion of patriotism, it's right up there with God and family. Love of country and military service are deeply ingrained in mankind's psyche.

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« Reply #342 on: November 15, 2015, 03:56:01 am »
I wonder how France will respond.
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« Reply #343 on: November 15, 2015, 04:05:05 am »
I wonder how France will respond.

Listened to the debate tonight. Hopefully better than our democrats plan on responding ...with more invitations to more "refuges."

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« Reply #344 on: November 15, 2015, 04:13:41 am »
Listened to the debate tonight. Hopefully better than our democrats plan on responding ...with more invitations to more "refuges."

I very much hope the Democrats are jumping the shark here. If there was not widespread mental disability in America, I would be certain they are...today, who knows?
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« Reply #345 on: November 15, 2015, 02:05:17 pm »
andy wrote above:
"That all are created equal and the innocent deserving of liberty is a rare and worthy cause for protest.
Perhaps we need another such gathering."


Andy, you know better than that.

Have not the events of the past few days -- actually, the past few months as hordes invade Europe -- demonstrated to us that "equality" is a noble but hopeless dream... a myth...?

Adendum:
The only "equality" mankind will ever attain is when we are all under the boot of totalitarianism -- all "equal" -- as slaves....

Now, look. You appear to have assumed immediately, but incorrectly that when I used the word "equality" I meant it in the way that modern Progressives mean it, as in "equality of outcome".

But wherever in my phrase "...that all are created equal and the innocent deserving of liberty..." did you get the idea that I was speaking of anything other than the true meaning of human equality - that we are all equal as God's creations and thus entitled to equal treatment under the law? 

The latter understanding was in fact both the purpose and the reason for success of the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s. That it has now been perverted into something quite different in order to suit the objectives of leftist radicals is not my doing, nor does it detract from my argument. 

The phrase I used contains a dependent clause which you appear to have overlooked: "..and the innocent deserving of liberty".

So in case you missed it, my argument was this: America needs a rebirth of freedom based upon the understanding that our rights are inalienable, coming from God and from our very nature, and that all who respect the rights of others deserve both freedom and equal treatment under law.

In a time of collectivism and increasing authoritarianism, standing for freedom and true equality is a revolutionary proposition.
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« Reply #346 on: November 15, 2015, 02:34:45 pm »
Now, look. You appear to have assumed immediately, but incorrectly that when I used the word "equality" I meant it in the way that modern Progressives mean it, as in "equality of outcome".

But wherever in my phrase "...that all are created equal and the innocent deserving of liberty..." did you get the idea that I was speaking of anything other than the true meaning of human equality - that we are all equal as God's creations and thus entitled to equal treatment under the law? 

The latter understanding was in fact both the purpose and the reason for success of the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s. That it has now been perverted into something quite different in order to suit the objectives of leftist radicals is not my doing, nor does it detract from my argument. 

The phrase I used contains a dependent clause which you appear to have overlooked: "..and the innocent deserving of liberty".

So in case you missed it, my argument was this: America needs a rebirth of freedom based upon the understanding that our rights are inalienable, coming from God and from our very nature, and that all who respect the rights of others deserve both freedom and equal treatment under law.

In a time of collectivism and increasing authoritarianism, standing for freedom and true equality is a revolutionary proposition.

Six-seven years ago, nobody could fathom you writing that post.   That's how far Socialist Marxism has become part of the fabric of our society.

At least that's how long our so-called mainstream media have sat back and either observed or participated in, what Clint Eastwood said was "The greatest fraud every pulled on the American People".

BTW, I understood what you meant right away.   Not hard when read somebody for years.  :patriot:
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« Reply #347 on: November 15, 2015, 02:39:17 pm »
Six-seven years ago, nobody could fathom you writing that post.   That's how far Socialist Marxism has become part of the fabric of our society.

At least that's how long our so-called mainstream media have sat back and either observed or participated in, what Clint Eastwood said was "The greatest fraud every pulled on the American People".

BTW, I understood what you meant right away.   Not hard when read somebody for years.  :patriot:

I have only one slight quibble with what you said here.  I would say that the MSM has been aiding and abetting Communism in America for a hell of a lot longer than the last 7 years! More like the last century and a half!  :patriot:
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« Reply #348 on: November 15, 2015, 02:43:28 pm »
I have only one slight quibble with what you said here.  I would say that the MSM has been aiding and abetting Communism in America for a hell of alot longer than the last 7 years! More like the last century and a half!  :patriot:

I paused at DCP's length-of-time period, as well.  His point is well-made and well-taken tho! 
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« Reply #349 on: November 15, 2015, 02:48:26 pm »
Six-seven years ago, nobody could fathom you writing that post.   That's how far Socialist Marxism has become part of the fabric of our society.

You are right. It is positively stunning just how far we have fallen away from the values we once shared and embraced as a nation. It's also long past time time to start fighting back.

And thank you, too for your efforts toward that end. 

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