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Supremes to judge if they can restrict speech
« on: November 08, 2015, 10:22:23 am »
Supremes to judge if they can restrict speech
Most recent result of 1st Amendment battle: Rejection without even an explanation
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Who do you think gets to decide a fight over the First Amendment’s speech protections when it’s a court doing the restricting.

Yeah. The court.

John Whitehead, a lawyer for the Rutherford Institute, confirmed on Thursday that it will be the lawyers on the Supreme Court bench who will get to decide whether an American citizen has First Amendment speech rights at the court.

Right now, he doesn’t.

And Whitehead said the prognosis for changing that isn’t great.

“Through a series of carefully crafted legislative steps and politically expedient court rulings, government officials have managed to disembowel this fundamental freedom, rendering the First Amendment with little more meaning than the right to file a lawsuit against government officials,” said Whitehead, a constitutional attorney.

“Ironically, when we appeal this case, it will be the justices of the U.S. Supreme Court who will eventually be asked to decide the constitutionality of their own statute, yet they have already made their views on the subject quite clear.”

At issue is the case of a man who was arrested for holding a sign in front of the court, on the public plaza there, where lawyers hold news conferences and there even have been some demonstrations.

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But the fact is such things are banned by administrative rule from the Supreme Court, and they are only allowed sometimes.

Harold Hodge wasn’t a recipient of such a right.

On Jan. 28, 2011, he was holding a three-foot by two-foot sign stating, “The U.S. Gov. Allows Police To Illegally Murder And Brutalize African Americans And Hispanic People.”

Rutherford has argued the speech on the plaza, a place where the public is allowed to gather and converse and is in all relevant respects like a public square or park where citizens have traditionally met to express their views on matters of public interest, should be allowed.

Hodge, however, was handcuffed and arrested. He was accused of violating a law that makes it “unlawful to display any flag, banner, or device designed to bring into public notice a party, organization, or movement while on the grounds of the U.S. Supreme Court.”

A U.S. district court judge struck the rule has clearly unconstitutional, but at the appellate level, it was reinstated.

On Thursday, Whitehead confirmed the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia denied “without explanation” a petition for rehearing.

The request had been submitted because the decision that was released “conflicts with earlier decisions construing a nearly identical statute.”

“If citizens cannot stand out in the open and voice their disapproval of their government, its representatives and its policies without fearing prosecution, then the First Amendment is little more than window-dressing on a store window – pretty to look at but serving little real purpose,” said Whitehead.

For 60 years, the Supreme Court has had a rule “criminalizing expressive First Amendment activity on the Supreme Court plaza,” the institute explained.

WND has reported as the case progressed, including the earlier three-judge decision. And the ruling from the trial court that the ban was unconstitutional.

“In response, the government not only appealed that ruling, but the marshal for the Supreme Court – with the approval of Chief Justice John Roberts – issued even more strident regulations outlawing expressive activity on the grounds of the high court, including the plaza,” Rutherford reported.

Rutherford Institute attorneys have since filed a related lawsuit challenging the later orders.

The judges at the appeals court conceded that attorneys and litigants are allowed to use the plaza for public events such as news conferences and for “commercial or professional films relating to the court” but said the government still can exclude those it does not want to have access to the forum.

For example, it noted 200 demonstrators surged up onto the plaza to protest a Missouri grand jury’s decision not to indict a police officer who fatally shot a teenager in 2014.

The demonstration went on for 15 minutes, but no arrests were made.

U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell originally found: “The absolute prohibition of expressive activity in the statute is unreasonable, substantially overbroad, and irreconcilable with the First Amendment. The court therefore must find the statute unconstitutional and void as applied to the Supreme Court plaza.”

 

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Re: Supremes to judge if they can restrict speech
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2015, 01:25:31 pm »
You can't yell 'Fire!' in a crowded movie theater. That's from a Supreme Court decision way back when. I don't see them having any problem neutering the First Amendment, because if the Constitution is a "living document", it, or its component parts can die.
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« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2015, 01:29:19 pm »
Ten years ago, this would have been a headline in The Onion.   
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Re: Supremes to judge if they can restrict speech
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2015, 01:43:43 pm »
Ten years ago, this would have been a headline in The Onion.

Ten years ago, our political and social institutions were still in the process of being corrupted.

Two Obama Administrations later, the process is nearly complete.

America's founding fathers knew, and frequently wrote about the tenuous nature of freedom; how precipitously it can be lost, and often with the approval of those who ought to know better. For some time now, our nation is precisely one person, one Supreme Court justice away from rendering as moot the Constitution of these United States.

And for that reason, if for no other, I will support wholeheartedly whoever wins the Republican nomination next year, irrespective of my personal feelings toward them or doubts about them.

The alternative is guaranteed disaster.
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Re: Supremes to judge if they can restrict speech
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2015, 01:46:40 pm »
Ten years ago, our political and social institutions were still in the process of being corrupted.

Two Obama Administrations later, the process is nearly complete.

America's founding fathers knew, and frequently wrote about the tenuous nature of freedom; how precipitously it can be lost, and often with the approval of those who ought to know better. For some time now, our nation is precisely one person, one Supreme Court justice away from rendering as moot the Constitution of these United States.

And for that reason, if for no other, I will support wholeheartedly whoever wins the Republican nomination next year, irrespective of my personal feelings toward them or doubts about them.

The alternative is guaranteed disaster.

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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2015, 01:49:35 pm »
Ten years ago, our political and social institutions were still in the process of being corrupted.

Two Obama Administrations later, the process is nearly complete.

America's founding fathers knew, and frequently wrote about the tenuous nature of freedom; how precipitously it can be lost, and often with the approval of those who ought to know better. For some time now, our nation is precisely one person, one Supreme Court justice away from rendering as moot the Constitution of these United States.

And for that reason, if for no other, I will support wholeheartedly whoever wins the Republican nomination next year, irrespective of my personal feelings toward them or doubts about them.

The alternative is guaranteed disaster.

“Nothing is more certain than that a general profligacy and corruption of manners make a people ripe for destruction. A good form of government may hold the rotten materials together for some time, but beyond a certain pitch, even the best constitution will be ineffectual, and slavery must ensue.”

John Witherspoon, The Dominion of Providence Over the Passions of Men, 1776


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Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, November 4, 1775

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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2015, 02:09:51 pm »
Ten years ago, this would have been a headline in The Onion.

Perfectly sums up our perilous situation.  The change that has come to America is without hope.   **nononono*

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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2015, 02:20:46 pm »
Perfectly sums up our perilous situation.  The change that has come to America is without hope.   **nononono*

There is ALWAYS hope!  But that alone rarely accomplishes anything without STRONG actions to accompany it!
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