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Would-be Speaker could lose his House seat next year
« on: October 18, 2015, 04:16:58 pm »
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/257228-would-be-speaker-could-lose-his-house-seat-next-year

 By Jesse Byrnes - 10/18/15 10:30 AM EDT

Rep. Daniel Webster (R-Fla.) is running full-steam ahead in his long-shot bid for Speaker, while looming redistricting plans in his state threaten his congressional seat.

Webster's reelection chances in his current district suffered a severe blow Oct. 9 when a circuit court judge give tentative approval to a redistricting proposal favoring Democrats in his area.

While the map plans have yet to be finalized, it raises the prospect that if successful in his leadership bid, Webster could assume the Speaker's gavel without having solid reelection prospects.

"I think he could get a lot done in 15 months even if he was drawn out of his district," Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.), a vocal supporter of Webster, told The Hill. 

Massie said Webster could help bring about "amazing" things in a year, but that uncertainty regarding his seat has "not been an issue with any of us that are supporting him."

"It's never even come up once," Massie said, listing half a dozen other lawmakers.

Some have suggested the uncertainty surrounding Webster's seat is a selling point for those looking for a candidate to step in until new leadership elections happen in January 2017.

"I've heard it as a point of consideration for those who are looking for a caretaker seeker," said Rep. David Jolly (R-Fla.), a strong backer of Webster, who is running for the Senate seat being vacated by Marco Rubio.

"I'm not suggesting that we need a caretaker or not," Jolly added, saying the redistricting wasn't a factor in his support of Webster and the map battle could go on for several more years.

Circuit Judge Terry Lewis had recommended a map drawn by the Fair Districts coalition, putting Webster's slightly leaning Republican district heavily favoring Democrats. The state Supreme Court still needs to approve the map. 

The state Supreme Court on Friday approved a state House request to delay oral arguments about the remedial map by a week to Nov. 10, when lawyers for the state House, Senate and the coalition of voters' groups and Democratic-leaning activists will argue their case before the justices.

The Florida Supreme Court in July threw out congressional maps drawn by the state's GOP-led legislature for violating a state anti-gerrymandering amendment passed in 2010, concluding that the redistricting process and resulting maps favored Republicans and incumbents. 

Some Florida Republican lawmakers caution the issue is far from settled. And a separate legal challenge, filed by Rep. Corrine Brown (D-Fla.) in federal court looking at provisions of the Voting Rights Act, could also throw the map into limbo.

Much of Webster's argument for becoming the next Speaker has included parallels to his reputation in the Florida legislature, when in 1996 he became the first Republican Speaker in more than a century. He has argued for flattening out power in his current bid in a more even-handed approach.

Lewis last week rejected the legislature's third attempt to redraw the congressional districts and gave tentative approval to a map that could potentially unseat another Republican, Carlos Curbelo, and a Democrat, Gwen Graham.

Webster, whose office declined to comment for this story, could run in another district depending on what congressional map is eventually adopted. And, the Speaker does not have to be an elected member of Congress.

The conservative House Freedom Caucus endorsed Webster on the eve of Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) abruptly dropping out of the Speaker race before recess last week.

McCarthy's sudden exit from the race opened up the potential for a slew of Republicans to pursue the position should Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) stand by his decision to not run.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), the only other Republican besides Webster running for Speaker before McCarthy dropped out, has signaled he would end his own bid if Ryan jumped in. 

Jolly urged his Republican colleagues in a letter circulated this week to not pressure Ryan, who chairs the powerful Ways and Means Committee, into running for Speaker.

"I think there are lot of people meeting Dan for the first time, and I'm encouraged by that," Jolly told The Hill when asked about his letter.

Another Republican, Rep. Steve King (Iowa), sent a letter this week urging support for Webster.

Massie, who is not in the Freedom Caucus himself, said of Webster, "I think he has more support than anybody else in the race right now," pointing to his support in and outside the group.

"We need a Speaker who gets us back to business," Rep. Ted Yoho (R-Fla.) said, adding that the focus shouldn't be on some high-profile person who might become a potential "target" for those across the aisle. 

"Anybody who steps into this position right now will be in a tough position," Yoho acknowledged. 

"I'll be happy to sit down with Paul Ryan," added Yoho, a member of the Freedom Caucus, adding they would have tough questions for any potential Speaker candidate. 

Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-S.C.), a founding member of the caucus, was more blunt in an interview on Hugh Hewitt's radio show last week: "You don't get to win just because you're Paul Ryan."

But Webster and other candidates face a tall order in a race that could feature Ryan, a popular congressman who is strongly backed by many Republicans for Speaker.

"It may be that they're ready for some stability, somebody's who going to be there for the long haul in what is turning out to be a highly contentious election," said Susan MacManus, a political science professor at the University of South Florida.

Regardless of how the race shakes out, friends and foes acknowledge that the soft-spoken Webster would represent a contrast with the more combative current and potential Speakers.

"He's a very calm, kind of quiet, almost, individual. He's not a press hog, he's not a flame-flower in his dialogue. He's very measured, almost shy," MacManus said. 

If Republicans are looking for someone to calm things down, he might fit the bill. 

"Dan seems to think even with redistricting he's confident about coming back," Yoho said.

The potential Speaker's message to colleagues? 

"I'll be back."
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Re: Would-be Speaker could lose his House seat next year
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2015, 04:24:48 pm »
The conservatives can do better than WEBSTER if they continue to stick together. The RINOGOP can be beat and are losing. No Compromise just hang tough and the conservatives will WIN? :patriot:

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Re: Would-be Speaker could lose his House seat next year
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2015, 04:35:01 pm »
The conservatives can do better than WEBSTER if they continue to stick together. The RINOGOP can be beat and are losing. No Compromise just hang tough and the conservatives will WIN? :patriot:
And who might that be? A small minority "just hang tough" for an unidentified messiah to emerge?

Reinforces my thesis that SOME contemporary conservatives are math and logic challenged.

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Re: Would-be Speaker could lose his House seat next year
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2015, 04:42:20 pm »
Too late I am afraid. This country is toast. Obama has another off his to-do list. Make congress irrelevant.


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Re: Would-be Speaker could lose his House seat next year
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2015, 09:00:55 pm »
Too late I am afraid. This country is toast. Obama has another off his to-do list. Make congress irrelevant.
If you really believe that...why are you here?  It is always darkest before the dawn.  Necessity is the mother of invention.  America is poised for a renaissance.  In one year Obama will be gone and a real leader will replace him.  This country's best days are just around the corner.


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« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2015, 09:04:29 pm »
If you really believe that...why are you here?  It is always darkest before the dawn.  Necessity is the mother of invention.  America is poised for a renaissance.  In one year Obama will be gone and a real leader will replace him.  This country's best days are just around the corner.



I really hope you're correct about the "real leader" part and the "renaissance" part.  For my sake I do not believe it will come to pass, so miserably have the republicans been comporting themselves at a point in time when the election is theirs to lose.

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« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2015, 09:13:53 pm »
If you really believe that...why are you here?
To vent, while we still can.

It's not as if the country is listening, except to find lines of attack against us.
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« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2015, 09:38:29 pm »
To vent, while we still can.

It's not as if the country is listening, except to find lines of attack against us.

I believe we are contemporaries, my friend.  Take the mentor role if you have not already.  With you friends and coworkers.  You are wise beyond your years.  Build our American future, and America will thrive.

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Re: Would-be Speaker could lose his House seat next year
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2015, 11:20:33 pm »
If you really believe that...why are you here?  It is always darkest before the dawn.  Necessity is the mother of invention.  America is poised for a renaissance.  In one year Obama will be gone and a real leader will replace him.  This country's best days are just around the corner.

Thank you for that.  I am really having a hard time seeing a whole lot of hope at times.  I knew Obama would be horrific for this country; but I never imagined how horrific. I never thought our Congress would give him free reign.  I never imagined that so many in our country would be drawn to a socialist as the next president either.  With Russia over in the Middle East and Obama signing the "nuke deal" today and Israel under attack; it's down right frightening. We've got another year to go under Obama ... I pray a lot.
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Re: Would-be Speaker could lose his House seat next year
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2015, 12:43:50 am »
We've got another year to go under Obama ... I pray a lot.
Me too, Liberty.  As bad as things are now...I lived under Carter and I believe we are marginally better today than in the mid 70s.

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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2015, 03:09:37 pm »
And who might that be? A small minority "just hang tough" for an unidentified messiah to emerge?

Reinforces my thesis that SOME contemporary conservatives are math and logic challenged.

It is a accident that Boehner and McCarty are gone.  The little group of conservatives of the small majority had nothing to do with it? Just pure LUCK and TRUMP is leading all polls? Would suggest for you to wake up but better you are a sleep? :chairbang:

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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2015, 03:11:43 pm »
To vent, while we still can.

It's not as if the country is listening, except to find lines of attack against us.
Yep....to vent.


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Re: Would-be Speaker could lose his House seat next year
« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2015, 03:29:21 pm »
Me too, Liberty.  As bad as things are now...I lived under Carter and I believe we are marginally better today than in the mid 70s.

I lived through the Carter years. Economically, we seem to be better off now than in the Carter years. But, there was still a sense that we could pull together as a nation. Today, there are so many forces from within, clawing and tearing trying to destroy this nation. The feeling of doom is much greater than the Carter years. 

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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2015, 03:34:02 pm »
I lived through the Carter years. Economically, we seem to be better off now than in the Carter years. But, there was still a sense that we could pull together as a nation. Today, there are so many forces from within, clawing and tearing trying to destroy this nation. The feeling of doom is much greater than the Carter years.

I remember those years well.  I agree with you Relic, they were depressing years, but where Carter was essentially inept - Obama's masters are not.  They have a master plan and they have set the wheels in motion to almost guarantee success this time around.  I have a real sense of fear for the future now.

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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2015, 04:23:16 pm »
I remember those years well.  I agree with you Relic, they were depressing years, but where Carter was essentially inept - Obama's masters are not.  They have a master plan and they have set the wheels in motion to almost guarantee success this time around.  I have a real sense of fear for the future now.

During the Carter years it was inconceivable to think that America would descend into a totalitarian abyss.  Not so much anymore.
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