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Go Ahead, Donald. Dunk That Oreo.
« on: September 08, 2015, 05:24:40 pm »
Paula Dwyer
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Donald Trump's war on Oreo cookies makes no sense at all.

Trump is boycotting his beloved Oreos because Nabisco, a unit of Mondelez International (formerly the snack-foods division of Kraft), is supposedly closing a Chicago biscuit plant that makes the cookies, laying off 2,000 workers, and moving production to Salinas, Mexico. There, Oreos will join with Fig Newtons and Graham crackers, which were made in a Philadelphia plant until it closed a few months ago.

Viewed through the prism of a presidential campaign aimed mostly at older, angry, white, working-class Americans who resent President Barack Obama, it sort of adds up, even if Trump has his facts partly wrong. Nabisco isn't closing the Chicago plant, the largest bakery in the world; the number of jobs affected is 600, not 1,200; and Oreos will still be made in three U.S. states.

Nonetheless, Nabisco's move is exhibit A whenever Trump talks about how "Mexico is the new China" in sucking America dry.

It's reminiscent of Ross Perot's "giant sucking sound" of the 1992 presidential campaign, when Perot opposed the free-trade deal with Mexico that President George H.W. Bush was negotiating and that President Bill Clinton would later complete. Perot claimed it would cause the loss of 6 million jobs to Mexico.

That didn't happen, by a long shot. At most, the U.S. "lost" 850,000 jobs to Mexico and Canada (mostly Mexico) in the 20 years since the North American Free Trade Agreement took effect. This, at least, was the number of people who received federal assistance for job losses directly tied to the treaty, such as plants moving south of the border.

But the 850,000 only counts the number of jobs lost, not the number gained due to increased exports by more efficient and profitable U.S. companies, or because Mexicans' higher living standards allowed them to buy more U.S. goods and services. In 2013, U.S. goods exports to Mexico were greater than what the U.S. sold to Germany, France, the U.K. and the Netherlands -- combined. Almost 2 million U.S. jobs now depend on exports to Mexico. And on average, export-related jobs pay higher wages than other jobs do.

When U.S. companies expand foreign operations, the net effect is greater employment at home, according to a study released recently by the pro-free-trade Peterson Institute for International Economics. It says offshoring allows companies to improve competitiveness by shifting low-paying jobs that involve routine tasks to lower-wage countries.

When that happens, companies increase earnings, which allows them to divert resources to R&D and create more higher-paying, higher-skilled jobs. Needless to say, U.S. consumers have also benefited from cheaper retail prices as a result of all this shifting -- none more so than lower-income Americans.

By the way, 850,000 jobs over 20 years is a tiny, tiny number: The U.S. workforce includes 135 million people, of whom 4 million to 6 million lose their jobs, or voluntarily leave them, every single month. The jobs "lost" to Mexico are less than 0.1 percent of the total turnover.

And U.S. manufacturing jobs have been moving offshore since 1976, so Mexican transplants aren't new. Even when they don't go offshore, manufacturing jobs like those in the Oreo-making plant have also been disappearing, largely because technology has been reducing the amount of labor required.
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For Trump to propose policies to shield workers would be like saying the U.S. should protect all jobs from competition or new technology, or prevent companies from moving from Northern states to Southern ones, for example, where unions are discouraged and wages are lower.

"It is unclear why someone who loses their job because digital photography replaces film, or because the taste for business-casual decreases demand for suits," another Peterson study on Nafta says, "is any less deserving of support than someone who loses their job because assembly of computers and flat-screen televisions moves to Mexico."

So the good news is that Trump can have his Oreos and eat them, too.

More here: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-07/trump-s-mexican-oreo-boycott-makes-no-economic-sense

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Re: Go Ahead, Donald. Dunk That Oreo.
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2015, 05:39:17 pm »
facepalm squared.
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2015, 05:51:40 pm »
Like most protectionists in the vein of Pat Buchanan, he is completely missing the point as to WHY this is happening. It is like blaming the wound for the bleeding, ignoring who caused the wound in the first place.

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« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2015, 06:03:17 pm »
Like most protectionists in the vein of Pat Buchanan, he is completely missing the point as to WHY this is happening. It is like blaming the wound for the bleeding, ignoring who caused the wound in the first place.

Trump is not the only one turning on capitalism but at least the Pope is following an old tradition.

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« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2015, 06:06:35 pm »
Cookies?  Seriously, cookies?     I hope Trump knows that the airplanes he flies in, and the cars and busses he is chauffeured around in are all made with parts from Mexico. Parts that use to be made in America, and purchasing contracts far larger than cookies.   He is just throwing red meat out to an unthinking audience hungry for more Trumpizms.   
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2015, 06:20:39 pm »
Cookies?  Seriously, cookies?     I hope Trump knows that the airplanes he flies in, and the cars and busses he is chauffeured around in are all made with parts from Mexico. Parts that use to be made in America, and purchasing contracts far larger than cookies.   He is just throwing red meat out to an unthinking audience hungry for more Trumpizms.   

Not to mention, his companies are major out-sourcers. He is just throwing out populist language, but his actions show he really doesn't give a damn.


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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2015, 07:42:01 pm »
It's sad when RINOs parse.  The part isn't about immigrants, it's illegal immigrants.  It's not about trade deals.  It's about trade deals negotiated by imbeciles. 
Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2015, 07:54:04 pm »
It's sad when RINOs parse.  The part isn't about immigrants, it's illegal immigrants.  It's not about trade deals.  It's about trade deals negotiated by imbeciles.

The RINOs are clueless when it comes to the middle class and that is why they are hemorrhaging.  Trump looks like the champion of lost jobs and this will resonate strongly for middle class America.  Brilliant political move by Trump.

The RINOs can take their ethereal theories on trade and protectionism to the public, but Trump resonates with what the middle class understands:   Lost jobs.

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« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2015, 07:58:53 pm »
The RINOs are clueless when it comes to the middle class and that is why they are hemorrhaging.  Trump looks like the champion of lost jobs and this will resonate strongly for middle class America.  Brilliant political move by Trump.

The RINOs can take their ethereal theories on trade and protectionism to the public, but Trump resonates with what the middle class understands:   Lost jobs.

Trump is certainly a RINO.  You probably need another insult for the non-Trumpster GOP.  Hopefully we won't end up with a choice economically between two anti-capitalist parties.

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« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2015, 08:02:20 pm »
Trump is certainly a RINO.  You probably need another insult for the non-Trumpster GOP.  Hopefully we won't end up with a choice economically between two anti-capitalist parties.

Trump is not a RINO on immigration, the quintessential issue in this campaign.  And, Trump, anti-capitalist?  LOL!

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« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2015, 08:09:20 pm »
Trump is not a RINO on immigration, the quintessential issue in this campaign.  And, Trump, anti-capitalist?  LOL!

Trump is more of a RINO than any GOP I can think of other than say Pataki.  Trump doesn't know jack or care jack about capitalism other than he will use any tool to get his way.  He's no capitalist.  He's a businessman and a corrupt one at that openly bragging of his corruption.