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This is How You Beat Donald Trump
« on: September 06, 2015, 12:38:07 pm »
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/06/this-is-how-you-beat-donald-trump.html

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This is How You Beat Donald Trump

Republican strategist Liz Mair lists 10 ways to blow the billionaire out of the water.

For months now, consultants and pundits have been opining about what would be necessary to take The Donald down. We now have a glimpse into what Team Jeb will do—they released an ad this week pointing out Trump’s various flip-flops over the years—but obviously more will be needed.

But perhaps something much different than what Jeb has signaled will be his approach will also be required. There is no existing blueprint for how you kill off a candidate like this, so John Ellis and his staff are probably going to have to do a lot of experimentation to figure out what works, as will any other candidate who wants to help Trump toward what most assume will be his eventual demise.

Here, however, are a few options they might consider—and indeed probably are already considering, at least to some extent.

1.  Focus on moving an anti-Trump message to where low-information voters actually get their information.

The reality, whether political campaign operatives like it or not, is that evangelical farmers in Iowa are not reading Politico. Rushed-off-their-feet moms-of-three in Laconia are not watching daytime cable news.

At best, they’re reading their local paper, watching their local evening or morning news, tuning into O’Reilly, and maybe checking a social network for information once or twice a day.

Moreover, despite the fact that they live in the first caucus and primary states, respectively, they—like most people—probably do not live and breathe politics, or even much like it. They’re probably more interested in human-interest stories, the weather, and perhaps sports.

They’re definitely laser-focused on their kids, their churches, their jobs, their communities, their friends. This is, incidentally, probably where they’re hearing about Trump, and where he can most effectively be countered.

Yes, the political media beast needs to be fed and engaging with elite reporters and columnists has its advantages. But just consider that with regard to “educating” the Trump-inclined, low-information voters that are so plentiful out there, there may be more utility in talking to the local ABC affiliate. Or in making sure you have good, well-versed volunteers who hang out at the VFW hall, the tavern, Applebee’s, or wherever that everyone else flocks to, and that they are armed with bad information about Trump.

And that you have volunteers who work at big employers in town, and talk to their colleagues. And that you’re engaging in meaningful outreach to local faith communities, not just speaking at whatever religious conservative conference. And yes, that you’re doing enough radio or pitching enough radio producers, especially with regard to drive-time coverage.

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Re: This is How You Beat Donald Trump
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2015, 12:42:55 pm »
Why is a republican party official plotting to take out a republican candidate?
Is this salvo 1 of the party move to eliminate Trump now that he signed the party loyalty?
Why is the party not targeting the dems?

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Re: This is How You Beat Donald Trump
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2015, 12:51:13 pm »
Is she a party official or a strategist-for-hire? The primary is all about Republican vs. Republican, although I agree all of the candidates should be focusing on Clinton and Sanders, explaining how they'll be at least as bad as Obama.
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« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2015, 12:54:03 pm »
Is she a party official or a strategist-for-hire? The primary is all about Republican vs. Republican, although I agree all of the candidates should be focusing on Clinton and Sanders, explaining how they'll be at least as bad as Obama.

"republican strategist" tells me she is the party vs "conservative strategist".
I understand the JB vs RP vs DT but NOT the party slamming one of their own.
It is obvious to me now that the party is "assured" that Trump will not go 3rd party, the party is out to get him.

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Re: This is How You Beat Donald Trump
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2015, 01:27:28 pm »
They don't attack Democrats because they are Democrats themselves and they support the DNC platform in nearly every detail.

Just look at who the so called "Republicans" want elected and you can see easily that they are always Liberal Democrats who call themselves Republican. This is a clear in-your-face fact. The RNC would much rather vote Democrat than they would ever vote for anyone even slightly to the Right of themselves politically.

The status-quo is their God. The status-quo must be maintained at any cost.

There could not be a more clear example of this than Jeb Bush, who is obviously much more of a Democrat candidate than he is any kind of a Republican.

It is always like this with the RNC. They act like a junior partner of the DNC and always pick the ostensibly 'Republican' candidate that the DNC endorses.

BTW, this brilliant plan that the RNC is proposing is as old as time. The idea of infiltratingchurches,  pubs, and markets to sway the rabble was done by every dictatorialrregime in history.

It is far from a "new idea".
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« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2015, 03:30:07 pm »
They don't attack Democrats because they are Democrats themselves and they support the DNC platform in nearly every detail.

Just look at who the so called "Republicans" want elected and you can see easily that they are always Liberal Democrats who call themselves Republican. This is a clear in-your-face fact. The RNC would much rather vote Democrat than they would ever vote for anyone even slightly to the Right of themselves politically.

The status-quo is their God. The status-quo must be maintained at any cost.

There could not be a more clear example of this than Jeb Bush, who is obviously much more of a Democrat candidate than he is any kind of a Republican.

It is always like this with the RNC. They act like a junior partner of the DNC and always pick the ostensibly 'Republican' candidate that the DNC endorses.

BTW, this brilliant plan that the RNC is proposing is as old as time. The idea of infiltratingchurches,  pubs, and markets to sway the rabble was done by every dictatorialrregime in history.

It is far from a "new idea".

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Republican consultants are offering to target Trump because this is the Republican primary season.  And Republican candidates are competing against one another to secure the party nomination.

So they will attack each other in the attempt to pull supporters away from the other candidates.  And who has the most supporters right now?  Trump.

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« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2015, 03:35:21 pm »
Why is a republican party official plotting to take out a republican candidate?
Is this salvo 1 of the party move to eliminate Trump now that he signed the party loyalty?
Why is the party not targeting the dems?

Because they don't want to be held responsible for turning a national embarrassment into an inter-national one?

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Re: This is How You Beat Donald Trump
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2015, 03:37:29 pm »


Republican consultants are offering to target Trump because this is the Republican primary season.  And Republican candidates are competing against one another to secure the party nomination.

So they will attack each other in the attempt to pull supporters away from the other candidates.  And who has the most supporters right now?  Trump.

Funny you won't apply that thinking to Donald Trump's strategy.

Take that back.

Actually, it's NOT funny. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2015, 03:42:10 pm »
Funny you won't apply that thinking to Donald Trump's strategy.

Take that back.

Actually, it's NOT funny.

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« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2015, 05:33:04 pm »
"It aint what you don't know that kills you.  It's what you know that aint so!" ...Theodore Sturgeon

"Journalism is about covering the news.  With a pillow.  Until it stops moving."    - David Burge (Iowahawk)

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Re: This is How You Beat Donald Trump
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2015, 06:10:33 pm »
Why is a republican party official plotting to take out a republican candidate?
Is this salvo 1 of the party move to eliminate Trump now that he signed the party loyalty?
Why is the party not targeting the dems?

Because it's the primary season and Republican candidates are out to take down each other?

Because Donald Trump only goes after Republicans and hasn't laid a glove on Hillary?

It's OK when Trump comes out with guns blazing and trashes his opponents, but his opponents are not allowed to do the same to him?
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« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2015, 06:45:00 pm »
Because it's the primary season and Republican candidates are out to take down each other?

Because Donald Trump only goes after Republicans and hasn't laid a glove on Hillary?

It's OK when Trump comes out with guns blazing and trashes his opponents, but his opponents are not allowed to do the same to him?

Uh....think of what's going on here as September baseball.

Before you get to the World Series, you have to kick everybody's a$$ trying to reach the same goal.

There's plenty of time to go after Democrats.   Like the saying goes....when your enemy is digging herself a hole, hand her a shovel and shut up.

And you should follow your own words, Sink.   You're the one who's complaining about Trump's strategy of trashing his opponents...as if it's beneath a principled Conservative to do so.   Pay attention.   :laugh:
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« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2015, 06:49:05 pm »
Uh....think of what's going on here as September baseball.

Before you get to the World Series, you have to kick everybody's a$$ trying to reach the same goal.

There's plenty of time to go after Democrats.   Like the saying goes....when your enemy is digging herself a hole, hand her a shovel and shut up.

And you should follow your own words, Sink.   You're the one who's complaining about Trump's strategy of trashing his opponents...as if it's beneath a principled Conservative to do so.   Pay attention.   :laugh:

But the MLB does NOT go after the team, the other teams duke it out.
I have no issue with candidates beating each other about the head and shoulders, but the Party needs to stay out of it.

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2015, 06:56:18 pm »
Uh....think of what's going on here as September baseball.

Before you get to the World Series, you have to kick everybody's a$$ trying to reach the same goal.

There's plenty of time to go after Democrats.   Like the saying goes....when your enemy is digging herself a hole, hand her a shovel and shut up.

And you should follow your own words, Sink.   You're the one who's complaining about Trump's strategy of trashing his opponents...as if it's beneath a principled Conservative to do so.   Pay attention.   :laugh:

Trump does't just trash his opponents. He demeans them, insults them, laughs at them.  None of the other candidates stoop that low against him.

And when a radio host asks him a question he can't answer (but every other candidate did), he spends days going after him.

Trump's ego can't stand embarrassment, which is precisely why his opponents should look for every opportunity to do that.
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2015, 06:58:04 pm »
But the MLB does NOT go after the team, the other teams duke it out.
I have no issue with candidates beating each other about the head and shoulders, but the Party needs to stay out of it.

I totally agree with you, Ed.

The point was that several members are justifying her antics as a strategy, but yet expose themselves in their hatred for Trump, by doing so.
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Re: This is How You Beat Donald Trump
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2015, 07:00:07 pm »
But the MLB does NOT go after the team, the other teams duke it out.
I have no issue with candidates beating each other about the head and shoulders, but the Party needs to stay out of it.
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« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2015, 09:43:48 pm »
Trump does't just trash his opponents. He demeans them, insults them, laughs at them.  None of the other candidates stoop that low against him.

Sounds like we've got a lot of very delicate flowers running for the GOP nomination.  If Trump makes them feel bad, what do you think Hillary will do to them?

Maybe it's time to bring back  "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen"?

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« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2015, 09:45:15 pm »
Sounds like we've got a lot of very delicate flowers running for the GOP nomination.  If Trump makes them feel bad, what do you think Hillary will do to them?

Maybe it's time to bring back  "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen"?

Bravo!

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« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2015, 09:50:00 pm »
Sounds like we've got a lot of very delicate flowers running for the GOP nomination.  If Trump makes them feel bad, what do you think Hillary will do to them?

Maybe it's time to bring back  "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen"?

That's not the point.  Trump just has no sense.  He's an embarrassment.

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« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2015, 09:54:02 pm »
Sounds like we've got a lot of very delicate flowers running for the GOP nomination.  If Trump makes them feel bad, what do you think Hillary will do to them?

Maybe it's time to bring back  "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen"?

I know!  I mean, just look at how delicate someone was when asked difficult questions in the last debate.  If that made someone feel bad, what do you think Hillary will do to him?

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Please don't use an argument more applicable *to* Trump as a defense for him.  It makes rebuttals *FAR* too easy.

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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2015, 09:59:58 pm »
I know!  I mean, just look at how delicate someone was when asked difficult questions in the last debate.  If that made someone feel bad, what do you think Hillary will do to him?

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Please don't use an argument more applicable *to* Trump as a defense for him.  It makes rebuttals *FAR* too easy.

Good point Godzilla.  If anyone is a pansy it is Trump who covers up his lack of confidence with blustering, childish insults.  Hell half the time I'm feeling embarrassed for the guy when I'm not laughing at him.

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« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2015, 09:59:59 pm »
I know!  I mean, just look at how delicate someone was when asked difficult questions in the last debate.  If that made someone feel bad, what do you think Hillary will do to him?

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Please don't use an argument more applicable *to* Trump as a defense for him.  It makes rebuttals *FAR* too easy.

With all Hillary's problems and history, she would melt like the wicked witch should Trump go ghetto on her.  And she knows it.

And he's the ONLY person on the planet with the balls to do it.
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« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2015, 12:18:50 am »
That's not the point.  Trump just has no sense.  He's an embarrassment.

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Sounds like we've got a lot of very delicate flowers running for the GOP nomination.  If Trump makes them feel bad, what do you think Hillary will do to them?

Maybe it's time to bring back  "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen"?

Trump is in the same class as Obama, that is, a man with no class.  You think it's OK to deride Jeb Bush because he speaks Spanish?

Trump couldn't learn to speak Spanish if he had to. And nobody has used the bankruptcy laws in the last 20 years more than Donald Trump.  That's a fact.
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