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I was trying to disprove the conspiracy theory together with Gourmet Dan...it's my belief this was no hoax.

Seems to me that you have to make a lot of assumptions and excuses to explain-away all of the anomalies...

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I know everyone grieves differently and this father is probably still in shock...but jeeeez..he's on every channel that will give him a mic....if this was my son or daughter I would be prostrate  in bed heavily sedated......

He's on every channel that will give him a mic for a reason... Bammy would never waste a good crisis... esp one he has manufactured himself...

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btw I am not the least bit interested in the conspiracy theories....unless there is a grassy knoll involved.

I'm really wondering just what it would take for some of you to recognize that you're being played...

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Not any more than showing an interview with the victim's fiance and father by Megyn "The Tool" Kelly... who were quick with the web address and the call for more 'gun control'... that would be the first thing I would do if my daughter was murdered... give Megyn an interview and call for more gun control...

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Beg your pardon?  Maybe tomorrow you will consider us worthy too?

Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

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I have watched the video, and the woman doing the interview seems to me to have been shot at (almost) point blank range.  Are there any ballistics experts (considering the weapon is a 9mm SA) that can explain why she was able to turn and run after the first round that must have entered her upper torso?  Some sort of adrenaline "flight" reaction?

I would have thought the first round would have caused her to drop.
(I do not want to be inconsiderate, but this is my question)
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I know everyone grieves differently and this father is probably still in shock...but jeeeez..he's on every channel that will give him a mic....if this was my son or daughter I would be prostrate  in bed heavily sedated......

btw I am not the least bit interested in the conspiracy theories....unless there is a grassy knoll involved.

Amen, Myst!

I'd be in a fetal position and totally inconsolable.  And when you add the boyfriend telling the camera the website that handles donations, you'd think this was the Jerry Lewis Telethon.
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I have watched the video, and the woman doing the interview seems to me to have been shot at (almost) point blank range.  Are there any ballistics experts (considering the weapon is a 9mm SA) that can explain why she was able to turn and run after the first round that must have entered her upper torso?  Some sort of adrenaline "flight" reaction?

I would have thought the first round would have caused her to drop.
(I do not want to be inconsiderate, but this is my question)

Same here, 'famous'!   :shrug:
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This whole scenario is beginning to smell stinky to me.  I listened to the VA state police scanner the whole time, and it sounded, pretty scripted to me.  For instance, at the conclusion, dispatch said:  "Disregard"  which means  there has been some mistake or miscommunication. 

Usually, dispatch says:  "In custody", meaning "slow down", perp is in our control now.

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This whole scenario is beginning to smell stinky to me.  I listened to the VA state police scanner the whole time, and it sounded, pretty scripted to me.  For instance, at the conclusion, dispatch said:  "Disregard"  which means  there has been some mistake or miscommunication. 

Usually, dispatch says:  "In custody", meaning "slow down", perp is in our control now.

Do you realize how many people would have to be "in on it"?

It would be impossible to control the hoax from being exposed.
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Do you realize how many people would have to be "in on it"?

It would be impossible to control the hoax from being exposed.

Yep, you're right.  I just can't erase these two anomalies from my thoughts about this terrible event.  But I try to imagine if I were shot at close range, I might look down to where the wound may be before I ran.
Silly, I know.  (But then I would be drawing my weapon if I happened to be carrying)

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Yeah, big black guy standing within arms-reach waits for the camera to roll even though he risks ruining the whole live 'execution' if anybody notices him.

Funny thing is, he is noticed, the reporter looks at him and everybody just waits for the 'scene' to start...

I explained that to you, Dan. When the camera is about to roll or is rolling, talent blocks out the extraneous and focuses on the interview. The big black guy could walk up stark naked and they wouldn't notice. They are busy getting the interview. They're focused. Hyper focused. Camera lighting also reduces the eyes accommodation and thus visual cues.

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Vester Lee Flanagan: Inside the home of gunman Bryce Williams where he prepared for murder
The Telegraph is given exclusive video and pictures showing the Virginia gunman's home, with cat urine all over the kitchen floor and the discovery of sex toys


By Ruth Sherlock, Roanoke, video edited by Charlotte Krol

4:00PM BST 27 Aug 2015

The Telegraph has obtained exclusive pictures and video footage from inside the apartment of Vester Lee Flanagan, revealing details of the gunman’s life in the days before he murdered Alison Palmer and Adam Ward.

The images, accompanied with testimony from a source familiar with the investigation into shooting, paint the most detailed picture yet to have emerged into the life of the former journalist who shot his two colleagues at point blank range on Wednesday morning.

 
Flanagan prepared for the murder by dumping personal "documents" into several waste bins around the area, the source told the Telegraph.

But he left behind an apartment filled with his personal effects, including photographs of himself during his days as a television journalist and posters that appear to be of male pin-ups.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11827256/Vester-Lee-Flanagan-Inside-the-home-of-gunman-Bryce-Williams-where-he-prepared-for-murder.html
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I explained that to you, Dan. When the camera is about to roll or is rolling, talent blocks out the extraneous and focuses on the interview. The big black guy could walk up stark naked and they wouldn't notice. They are busy getting the interview. They're focused. Hyper focused. Camera lighting also reduces the eyes accommodation and thus visual cues.

And what happens to the those involved, they just live the rest of their lives as protected witnesses or just chalked up as another victims of violent crime?
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The comments that became a reporter’s death sentence
By Marisa Schultz and Frank Rosario
August 28, 2015 | 1:01am
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ROANOKE, Va. — The words are a part of everyday conversation — “swinging” by an address and going out in the “field.”

But in the twisted mind of Virginia gunman Vester Lee Flanagan II, they were pure racism — and saying them became a death sentence for Alison Parker.

The 24-year-old white reporter, who was murdered on live TV along with her cameraman, used the phrases as an intern at ­WDBJ TV in Roanoke in 2012, according to an internal complaint filed by Flanagan, who was black.

“One was something about ‘swinging’ by some place; the other was out in the ‘field,’ ” said the Jan. 21 report by assistant news director Greg Baldwin, which refers to Parker as Alison Bailey (her middle name).

Parker was never disciplined over the remarks, but Flanagan never forgot them.

Hours after gunning her and Adam Ward down during their broadcast Wednesday, Flanagan revealed in tweets that the comments were still fresh on his mind.

“Alison made racist comments,” Flanagan posted as he was on the run from cops.

“They hired her after that??” he wrote.

But colleagues said that it was all in Flanagan’s head and that Parker was as far from racist as they come.

“That’s how that guy’s mind worked. Just crazy, left-field assumptions like that,” Ryan Fuqua, a video editor at WDBJ, told The Post.

“[Those words are] just common, everyday talk. [But] that was his MO — to start s- -t,” Fuqua ­explained. “He was unstable. One time, after one of our live shots failed, he threw all his stuff down and ran into the woods for like 20 minutes.”

Flanagan made the accusations a month before he was fired in February 2013. The document was part of his unsuccessful discrimination lawsuit against the television station.

Trevor Fair, a 33-year-old cameraman at WDBJ for six years, said that the words Parker used are commonplace but that they would routinely set off Flanagan.

“We would say stuff like, ‘The reporter’s out in the field.’ And he would look at us and say, ‘What are you saying, cotton fields? That’s racist,’ ” Fair recounted.

“We’d be like, ‘What?’ We all know what that means, but he took it as cotton fields, and therefore we’re all racists.”

“This guy was a nightmare,” Fair said. “Management’s worst nightmare.”

Flanagan assumed everything was a jab at his race, even when a manager brought in watermelon for all employees.

“Of course, he thought that was racist. He was like, ‘You’re doing that because of me.’ No, the general manager brought in watermelon for the entire news team. He’s like, ‘Nope, this is out for me. You guys are calling me out because I’m black.’ ”

Flanagan even declared that ­7-Eleven was racist because it sold watermelon-flavored Slurpees.

“It’s not a coincidence, they’re racist,” he allegedly told Fair.

 A black former classmate of Parker at James Madison University was stunned by the allegations, saying Parker was kind to people of all races during their time at the Harrisonburg, Va., school.

“When I took [my journalism] job, she recommended me,” Jessica Albert told The Associated Press. “She did that for me, so she’s definitely not a racist.”

Meanwhile, authorities revealed Thursday that Flanagan planned on getting away after the murders, and that suicide was a last resort.

Inside the rental car where he killed himself during a police pursuit, cops found a briefcase with three license plates, a wig, a shawl, an umbrella, sunglasses, a black hat, and a to-do list.

Cops also discovered a Glock 19 pistol with multiple magazines and ammunition, a white iPhone, several letters and notes, a “powder residue” and “bodily fluids.”

Police identified Flanagan as a person of interest in the murders when he sent an unnamed friend a text message “making reference to having done something stupid,” according to a Virginia State Police search-warrant affidavit.

At Flanagan’s house in Roanoke, cops found evidence that he was a self-absorbed slob who indulged in gay porn in his spartan living space.

They found unwashed sex toys, cat feces and several pictures of himself on his refrigerator, according to the Daily Mirror.

Prior to their search, officers entered the residence through the balcony, fearing Flanagan might have left booby traps.

Images obtained by the British newspaper show that his home — just 500 yards from the WDBJ studios — had little furniture aside from a leather couch and chair.

A neighbor said Flanagan was often “rude and arrogant” and that would throw cat feces at apartment doors during disputes.
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I really don't want to be crude but is "Flanagan", the shooter, one of those "Black Irish" I hear so much about?
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But colleagues said that it was all in Flanagan’s head and that Parker was as far from racist as they come.
“That’s how that guy’s mind worked. Just crazy, left-field assumptions like that,” Ryan Fuqua, a video editor at WDBJ, told The Post.
“[Those words are] just common, everyday talk. [But] that was his MO — to start s- -t,” Fuqua ­explained. “He was unstable. One time, after one of our live shots failed, he threw all his stuff down and ran into the woods for like 20 minutes.”
Flanagan made the accusations a month before he was fired in February 2013. The document was part of his unsuccessful discrimination lawsuit against the television station.
Trevor Fair, a 33-year-old cameraman at WDBJ for six years, said that the words Parker used are commonplace but that they would routinely set off Flanagan.
“We would say stuff like, ‘The reporter’s out in the field.’ And he would look at us and say, ‘What are you saying, cotton fields? That’s racist,’ ” Fair recounted.
“We’d be like, ‘What?’ We all know what that means, but he took it as cotton fields, and therefore we’re all racists.”
“This guy was a nightmare,” Fair said. “Management’s worst nightmare.”
Flanagan assumed everything was a jab at his race, even when a manager brought in watermelon for all employees.
“Of course, he thought that was racist. He was like, ‘You’re doing that because of me.’ No, the general manager brought in watermelon for the entire news team. He’s like, ‘Nope, this is out for me. You guys are calling me out because I’m black.’ ”
Flanagan even declared that ­7-Eleven was racist because it sold watermelon-flavored Slurpees.


Thank you, Al Sharpton and the Democrat Party, where no accusation of racism is too absurd.




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I have watched the video, and the woman doing the interview seems to me to have been shot at (almost) point blank range.  Are there any ballistics experts (considering the weapon is a 9mm SA) that can explain why she was able to turn and run after the first round that must have entered her upper torso?  Some sort of adrenaline "flight" reaction?

I would have thought the first round would have caused her to drop.
(I do not want to be inconsiderate, but this is my question)

Short answer - people are tougher than you give them credit for. They can take an incredible amount of damage in a short space of time and just keep going, especially if the going is in the direction "the hell out of here."

Peope take time to die. Bleeding out takes two minutes at the very minimum - and that's with a leg removed at the upper thigh so the femoral is completely unobstructed. Sudden intense injuries don't kick in the pain receptors either - the body basically thinks "we can hurt later." Anyone who has been in an accident will tell you that.
And bullets are not exactly magic. The only way to guarantee someone will drop first bullet is to use a round (bullet or shell) big enough to remove a leg.
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Short answer - people are tougher than you give them credit for. They can take an incredible amount of damage in a short space of time and just keep going, especially if the going is in the direction "the hell out of here."

Peope take time to die. Bleeding out takes two minutes at the very minimum - and that's with a leg removed at the upper thigh so the femoral is completely unobstructed. Sudden intense injuries don't kick in the pain receptors either - the body basically thinks "we can hurt later." Anyone who has been in an accident will tell you that.
And bullets are not exactly magic. The only way to guarantee someone will drop first bullet is to use a round (bullet or shell) big enough to remove a leg.

Or make sure the bullet takes out the brain or brain stem.
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What struck me was how the guy in the hoax video kept repeating: where the shells at? where the shells at? where the shells at?

They eject at a high rate of speed. The camera's refresh rate is pretty good but not as good as a human eye.

And even if the rounds were blanks, they still need to eject to clear the chamber for the next "blank" cartridge.

Why am I even arguing this? This is silly.

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Why am I even arguing this? This is silly.

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I've changed my mind about this. It was Castro operatives. Had to be.
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I've changed my mind about this. It was Castro operatives. Had to be.

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