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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2015, 02:02:02 pm »
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Lost my vote.... don't care what the pope wants.  He is not an elected representative therefore has no say.

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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2015, 02:02:18 pm »
I'm curious as to why Jeb Bush didn't use Reagan as an example of emulating someone who worked with Congress to get things done.  It seems a bit tone deaf to me, to be running in the Republican party for president and to cite LBJ as who he would lead like.  Does he realize how hated LBJ is among Republican voters?  I don't understand why he would think that his potential voters would see that as a point in his favor.  I mean, is he trying to piss people off with such a connotation? 

Not too savvy in my book.   

Had you read the actual article and not just Breaitbart's BS, you would have understood why.
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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2015, 02:04:34 pm »
Lost my vote.... don't care what the pope wants.  He is not an elected representative therefore has no say.

And he thought he had you in the bag.

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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2015, 02:05:23 pm »
Lost my vote.... don't care what the pope wants.  He is not an elected representative therefore has no say.

Really?

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So, you're one of those Catholic bashers from FR?
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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2015, 02:06:11 pm »
And he thought he had you in the bag.

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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2015, 02:16:23 pm »
I've expressed interest in a number of GOP candidates. Jeb Bush just doesn't happen to be one of them.

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« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2015, 02:29:39 pm »
More and more, headlines are becoming click-bait for the internet.  Old school  journalism practices no longer apply.  Add agenda driven journalists and it is a mess.  But wait!   Add snapshot readers whose critical thinking is non-existent we find ourselves - here.  Most people glean their info from meme photos on Facebook. 

Jeb could have qualified his remarks better.  He could have refrained from saying what he did.  But who can really avoid this built-in trap over a campaign?  Especially if you reside on the right side of the political spectrum? 

I am very disappointed in Breitbart.
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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2015, 02:30:36 pm »
Had you read the actual article and not just Breaitbart's BS, you would have understood why.

I've read your explanation and the article you posted about why he said that, but it doesn't change my opinion that it was a tone-deaf thing to say by a person contemplating (at that time) a run for president.  Jeb Bush should certainly understand the whole sound bite process by now.  And yes, I remember him saying that he was not going to be concerned if people didn't like hearing what he had to say.

This is the way Jeb has decided to run - to be his own man and say what he thinks - regardless of how it comes across to the voters.  It just sounds really bad to most Republicans that LBJ is who he chooses to emulate in governing style.  LBJ was an SOB, and I don't think you'll get many Republicans to disagree with that.  It's great that you support Jeb and he owes you a lot of gratitude for it, but I don't think he comes across very well with many in his party.  I understand the big money donors like him, but that doesn't impress me much.  He is in the bottom tier of candidates that I would like to see as our nominee.  I used to be quite the cheerleader for the Bush family, but not anymore  - they don't come across as fighters, but instead, big reachers (across the aisle).  I think it was GWB's refusal to fight back against the constant false accusations the Democrats threw at him daily that set the stage for an Obama victory.

I can't remember a single instance of Democrats reaching across the aisle since at least the year 2000.  I remember many instances of John McCain slinking his way across the aisle (with Lady Graham on his tail) - but I don't remember any of his efforts resulting in anything good for our country.  I hate hearing that is how Jeb intends to do it too. 

The Democrats of today are nothing like the Democrats of yesteryear.  I wouldn't reach across the aisle to cajole Adolf Hitler, ISIS or Satan either. 

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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2015, 02:31:18 pm »
So you didn't take the time to watch the video and listen to anything that was said, but you took the tome to post some worthless personal ranking.

You're the poster baby for low information voter.

Just for drill Luis why don't you tell me why your opinions have SO much more value than mine!
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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2015, 02:38:59 pm »
A large dog food company once set out to make the best brand of dog food. They got the best dog behaviorists, food technologists, and even famous chefs involved in the process.

They employed the best marketing firm to design the label. They focus grouped the advertising campaign, test marketed the food in select cities. Spent millions on research and development.

When they launched the brand they found that sales were flat. It seems no one was buying the food. They eventually had to pull the line off the market.

In the postmortem report the marketing group found that the dogs just didn't like the food.

That's a snapshot of the establishment's attempt to push Jeb Bush on GOP voters.


The Trump anomaly aside, Jeb has led all polls on GOP nominations from long before he announced his candidacy.

GOP voters are not the problem here. The problem is a sub segment of the GOP saying that they don't like the dog food without actually having tasted it.
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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2015, 02:40:49 pm »
A large dog food company once set out to make the best brand of dog food. They got the best dog behaviorists, food technologists, and even famous chefs involved in the process.

They employed the best marketing firm to design the label. They focus grouped the advertising campaign, test marketed the food in select cities. Spent millions on research and development.

When they launched the brand they found that sales were flat. It seems no one was buying the food. They eventually had to pull the line off the market.

In the postmortem report the marketing group found that dogs just didn't like the food.

That's a snapshot of the establishment's attempt to push Jeb Bush on GOP voters.

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« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2015, 02:42:22 pm »
That's a snapshot of the establishment's attempt to push Jeb Bush on GOP voters.

I don't buy all this "establishment is doing it" stuff.  The voters have Walker over Bush right now I believe.  How many votes does "the establishment" have?  I believe "the establishment" was against Reagan and Reagan won.  I believe "the establishment" was against Goldwater and Goldwater won.  Crying conspiracy about everything just doesn't impress me much. 8888crybaby

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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2015, 02:43:13 pm »
Just for drill Luis why don't you tell me why your opinions have SO much more value than mine!

Because I actually read articles and check the sources and I listen to what's being said.
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« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2015, 02:48:37 pm »
Because I actually read articles and check the sources and I listen to what's being said.

And you imagine that I don't? Jeb Bush is just another snake oil salesman and the fact that his last name is Bush puts him out of the running right off the bat because MOST Americans are not into dynastys in this country.
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« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2015, 02:52:35 pm »
And you imagine that I don't? Jeb Bush is just another snake oil salesman and the fact that his last name is Bush puts him out of the running right off the bat because MOST Americans are not into dynastys in this country.

Well then they got a real potential problem here...

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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2015, 02:56:56 pm »
Admitting he wants to be one of the worst, destructive, and racist presidents in our history?

Don't AGREE much with your posts BUT you are DEAD right on this POINT :beer:

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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2015, 03:24:48 pm »
And you imagine that I don't? Jeb Bush is just another snake oil salesman and the fact that his last name is Bush puts him out of the running right off the bat because MOST Americans are not into dynastys in this country.

I'm pretty sure that you don't, or that you only read headlines and memes.

I lived in Florida during the Bush governorship, and I worked with the Florida GOP.

I KNOW for a fact that Jeb is no "snake oil salesman" despite your ignorant characterization. He governed as a strong conservative candidate.

The fact that you reject him based on his last name makes you as ignorant as those who voted for Obama based on his race, or support Hillary based on her gender.

The fact that you appoint yourself as the spokesman for "most Americans" is indicative of how much you've lost touch with reality.

The people leading the polls (the Trump anomaly notwithstanding) are BOTH part of American political dynasties.
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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2015, 03:25:27 pm »
A large dog food company once set out to make the best brand of dog food. They got the best dog behaviorists, food technologists, and even famous chefs involved in the process.

They employed the best marketing firm to design the label. They focus grouped the advertising campaign, test marketed the food in select cities. Spent millions on research and development.

When they launched the brand they found that sales were flat. It seems no one was buying the food. They eventually had to pull the line off the market.

In the postmortem report the marketing group found that dogs just didn't like the food.

That's a snapshot of the establishment's attempt to push Jeb Bush on GOP voters.

Conspiracy theories aligncare?

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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2015, 03:34:40 pm »
Really?

So, you're one of those Catholic bashers from FR?

No religion basher, save one.  As I said in my post, The pope is not an elected representative therefore has no say.
He can run his church all he wants but stay outta the whitehouse.

A religious conscience is important when making decisions for the 350 million you represent but some do not follow the pope and do not want his input.

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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2015, 03:56:21 pm »
Why do so many people here engage in Bush apology?  Jebbie is a stinkeroo with a shitload of cash and a legions of minions deeper than the Marianas Trench.
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Why?  Well, because I'm a bastard, that's why.

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« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2015, 04:07:46 pm »
More and more, headlines are becoming click-bait for the internet.  Old school  journalism practices no longer apply.  Add agenda driven journalists and it is a mess.  But wait!   Add snapshot readers whose critical thinking is non-existent we find ourselves - here.  Most people glean their info from meme photos on Facebook. 

Jeb could have qualified his remarks better.  He could have refrained from saying what he did.  But who can really avoid this built-in trap over a campaign?  Especially if you reside on the right side of the political spectrum? 

I am very disappointed in Breitbart.

The people defending Trump's "liberal microphone" remarks about McCain jump all over Bush's equally liberal microphone remarks.

Telling.
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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2015, 04:13:40 pm »
And you imagine that I don't? Jeb Bush is just another snake oil salesman and the fact that his last name is Bush puts him out of the running right off the bat because MOST Americans are not into dynastys in this country.

Exactly. Snake oil salesman is being polite.  He was a lousy governor and he is just as unpopular in this area of Florida today as he was then and his common core and pro-amnesty policies are just as equally unpopular.
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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2015, 04:28:06 pm »
I'm pretty sure that you don't, or that you only read headlines and memes.

I lived in Florida during the Bush governorship, and I worked with the Florida GOP.

I KNOW for a fact that Jeb is no "snake oil salesman" despite your ignorant characterization. He governed as a strong conservative candidate.

The fact that you reject him based on his last name makes you as ignorant as those who voted for Obama based on his race, or support Hillary based on her gender.

The fact that you appoint yourself as the spokesman for "most Americans" is indicative of how much you've lost touch with reality.

The people leading the polls (the Trump anomaly notwithstanding) are BOTH part of American political dynasties.

I'm pretty sure that YOU don't know what the hell you are talking about in this case!
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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2015, 04:35:01 pm »
Exactly. Snake oil salesman is being polite.  He was a lousy governor and he is just as unpopular in this area of Florida today as he was then and his common core and pro-amnesty policies are just as equally unpopular.

What an incredibly uniformed and ignorant statement.

From CPAC 2016

Jeb Bush is the 43rd governor of the State of Florida, serving from 1999 through 2007. He was the third Republican elected to the state’s highest office and the first Republican in the state’s history to be reelected.

Governor Bush remained true to his conservative principles throughout his two terms in office – cutting nearly $20 billion in taxes, vetoing more than $2.3 billion in earmarks and reducing the state government workforce by more than 13,000. His limited government approach helped unleash one of the most robust and dynamic economies in the nation, creating 1.4 million net new jobs and improving the state’s credit ratings, including achieving the first ever triple-A bond rating for Florida.

During his two terms, Governor Bush championed major reform of government, in areas ranging from health care and environmental protection to civil service and tax reform. His top priority was the overhaul of the state’s failing education system. Under Governor Bush’s leadership, Florida established a bold accountability system in public schools and created the most ambitious school choice programs in the nation. Today, Florida remains a national leader in education and continues to enjoy rising student achievement.


After leaving office in 2007, Jeb returned to the private sector, where he reestablished his career as a successful businessman, entrepreneur, and investor.

He has also maintained his passion for improving the quality of education for students by founding and serving as the chairman of one of the nation’s leading conservative education reform organizations, the Foundation for Excellence in Education. The 501c3 non-profit works with state and education leaders, teachers, and parents to develop and implement reforms that lead to rising student achievement.

In 2013, Jeb authored Immigration Wars: Forging an American Solution, along with leading constitutional litigator Clint Bolick, outlining a conservative reform strategy to fix the nation’s broken immigration system.

From 1987 – 1988, Bush served as Florida’s secretary of commerce under Bob Martinez, Florida’s 40th governor. Following an unsuccessful bid for Governor in 1994, Jeb joined forces with the Greater Miami Urban League to establish one of the state’s first charter schools, Liberty City Charter School, in one of the most underserved parts of Miami-Dade County. In 1995, he also co-authored Profiles in Character, a book profiling 14 of Florida’s civic heroes and advocating a return to the principles of our Founding Fathers.

Bush earned a bachelor’s degree in Latin American studies from the University of Texas at Austin. Jeb is the son of President George H.W. Bush and Barbara Bush. He and his wife, Columba, live in Miami and have three grown children and three grandchildren.

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Re: Jeb Bush: I Would Govern Like Lyndon Johnson as President
« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2015, 04:48:49 pm »
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In 2013, Jeb authored Immigration Wars: Forging an American Solution, along with leading constitutional litigator Clint Bolick, outlining a conservative reform strategy to fixthe nation’s broken immigration system.


The only reason the immigration system is broken is because industrialists and politicians want cheap labor and a criminal and diseased class to infiltrate the country.
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