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Donald Trump bump terrifies GOP
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Donald Trump bump terrifies GOP

Insiders worry the mogul will damage the eventual nominee and hurt a party struggling to connect with women and minorities.

By Jonathan Topaz and Daniel Strauss
  | 6/26/15 5:13 AM EDT
  | Updated 6/26/15 12:19 PM EDT
 
All jokes aside, the Republican Party is officially afraid of Donald Trump.

He has virtually zero chance of winning the presidential nomination. But insiders worry that the loud-mouthed mogul is more than just a minor comedic nuisance on cable news; they fret that he’s a loose cannon whose rants about Mexicans and scorched-earth attacks on his rivals will damage the eventual nominee and hurt a party struggling to connect with women and minorities and desperate to win.

“Donald Trump is like watching a roadside accident,” said former George W. Bush press secretary Ari Fleischer. “Everybody pulls over to see the mess. And Trump thinks that’s entertainment. But running for president is serious. And the risk for the party is he tarnishes everybody.”

Those risks were amplified this week after a trio of polls showed him likely to earn a coveted invitation to the party’s debates, which ironically were restructured with the very goal of avoiding the circus-like atmosphere of 2012. Giving Trump a major platform just as the country is tuning in is not exactly the Big Tent the party’s bigwigs had in mind..

“I’m not excited about somebody as divisive as Trump or somebody as obnoxious as Trump being on the debate stage,” one RNC member confessed.

Trump currently sits in eighth place among Republicans, according to the RealClearPolitics’ average of national polls — ahead of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and former Texas Gov. Rick Perry. And this week, he came in second in two New Hampshire polls and in a Fox News national poll, finishing behind only former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in all three.
 
Under the rules instituted by Fox News, the top 10 candidates by national polling average will be included in the first debate, to be held in August. Trump’s star could easily fade by then. But as of now, he would be in — over 2012 Republican runner-up Rick Santorum, who won 11 states and around 4 million votes last cycle; over John Kasich, the popular Ohio governor of a key swing state; over South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham, a leading foreign policy voice in the field; and over Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, known as a policy wonk.

He’d also make it in over Carly Fiorina, the former Hewlett-Packard CEO whom the party establishment desperately wants on the debate stage. Fiorina has earned strong reviews from early-state activists, and party insiders say her inclusion in the debate is critical — both to demonstrate the GOP’s diversity and to help male candidates find the right tone in connecting with female voters, whom Republicans have struggled to win over in recent years.

“If Donald Trump elbows out Carly Fiorina, for example, that would be a real tragedy for our side,” said Republican strategist Ron Bonjean.

Beyond that, there are concerns about what he’ll do once he’s on the stage — namely, go hard after the other Republican hopefuls and say incendiary things that will hurt the party.

In recent months, he’s said that Fiorina got “fired viciously” from HP and “got clobbered” in her 2010 California Senate loss to Barbara Boxer (she lost by 10 points.) He’s ripped Florida Sen. Marco Rubio as “very weak” on immigration. He’s called Jeb Bush “an unhappy person” and said he “couldn’t negotiate his way out of a paper bag.”

Asked whether Trump will keep up the attacks, campaign manager Corey Lewandowski said he would. “They should be worried about Donald Trump,” Lewandowski said of the party establishment, before criticizing Rubio and Bush on several issues.

And worried they are.

“There is a real concern, particularly on the debate stage, that Trump won’t play by the rules and he’s going to throw some below-the-belt punches,” said Republican strategist Ford O’Connell.


“Republicans in a primary don’t like to see the candidates attacking each other,” said Peter Feaman, an RNC National Committeeman from Florida. “They’d like to see the focus stay where it should be, and that’s the leadership of the Democratic Party for the last eight years.”

“The challenge with somebody like him is that when you’re running in these races, there’s sort of an assumption that you’re racing with professionals,” said Katie Packer Gage, a former deputy campaign manager for Mitt Romney. “He makes up facts. It’s a challenge because he’s very unpredictable.”

And above all the Republican National Committee — whose self-assessment of the party’s failure in 2012 urged the importance of appealing to nonwhite voters, especially Hispanics, 71 percent of whom voted for President Barack Obama — is nervous about Trump’s rhetoric. He accused Mexican immigrants of being rapists and smuggling drugs in his announcement speech, and said at a January Republican cattle call in Iowa that half the undocumented immigrants in the U.S. are criminals. In 2011, he led the racially loaded calls for Obama to release his long-form birth certificate and, in April, blamed the president for the riots in Baltimore following the death of Freddie Gray.

Fleischer, one of the five co-authors of the RNC autopsy report, said Trump largely embodied all of the party’s problems with nonwhite voters. “When he says something irresponsible like getting Mexicans to pay for a wall, he will alienate Hispanics … he’s irresponsible, he’s divisive, he’s hurtful,” he said.

Asked about those concerns, Lewandowski responded: “Who’s saying this, old white guys? You’re saying you’ve got old white guys saying they’re concerned about Donald Trump’s messaging about illegal immigrants coming across our southern border. Wow, that speaks for itself.”

Several Iowa Republicans expressed dismay at Trump’s momentum, labeling him as someone whose brash personality and celebrity status make him a bad fit for the rural first nominating state.

 
“Most of the rank-and-file Republicans think, ‘What have we done to let a guy like Donald Trump on the debate stage?’” said one Iowa Republican activist with ties to the party. “When I saw the New Hampshire poll, I was like, ‘Oh my god.’”

“He’s just not Iowa nice,” the person added — relaying several stories about Trump’s recent trips to the Hawkeye State. At two events, the person said, Trump insisted on speaking earlier than scheduled so he could get back to his home in New York City: “It was kind of embarrassing. He left before our donors showed up.” (Lewandowski said he hadn’t seen that at any events in Iowa and touted Trump’s large crowds in the state.)

Party insiders acknowledge that there’s a sliver of voters — those fed up altogether with the political system — who are drawn to Trump. “I love him,” said Jeanne Sangenario, who was on Romney’s New Hampshire women’s leadership team in 2008 and now serves as Seacoast Republican Women director. “Because I know he would take no baloney from anybody from any world leader and he would get things done and the economy would come back big time, he would get it done. No two ways about it.”

Other Republicans say voters will drown him out — particularly in a more formal debate setting where viewers expect a serious discussion.

“I do remember growing up in Kermit [Texas], every time the carnival came to town it always drew a big crowd,” said Republican consultant John Weaver, who worked on Arizona Sen. John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign and has signed up to work with Kasich. “But nobody wanted the carnival barker to be mayor.”

Hadas Gold contributed to this report.


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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2015, 02:38:26 pm »
Do you think because he has a pair and is a FIGHTER might have something to do with it RINOGOP?? :patriot:

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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2015, 02:51:05 pm »
Do you think because he has a pair and is a FIGHTER might have something to do with it RINOGOP?? :patriot:

It was the same way the last time - although he never formally announced a run.  Trump says things no one else will, too bad he is a loose cannon and you never know what day he will suddenly drop out - I hope he accomplishes something before he goes.  Last time, his questioning of Obama's birth certificate got Osama Bin Laden killed.

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2015, 04:43:43 pm »
Trump is, to put it succinctly, a tosser. Not just a waste of space, but it is a frightening indictment on the state of politics that he wasn't laughed out of the country the second he actually said he is running.

The GOP SHOULD be frightened. If the disconnect between politics and the voters - ALL of them, not just the red meat conservatives - is that bad then something is horribly wrong with either their message or their methods of working. (Yes, I know it's both  :laugh: )
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2015, 05:14:51 pm »
There's alot of people who like Trump and what he says. Yes that may come with a big ego, a loud mouth and some occasionial oddity, but the guy hits at the heart of alot of issue. Don't underestimate him. He may not win, but he might play kingmaker.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2015, 05:40:46 pm »
There's alot of people who like Trump and what he says. Yes that may come with a big ego, a loud mouth and some occasionial oddity, but the guy hits at the heart of alot of issue. Don't underestimate him. He may not win, but he might play kingmaker.
At this point he's doing something not all that different from what Herman Cain did: draw attention to issues that are getting brushed a bit under the rug. I really don't think, given his record of dabbling in politics, that Trump is in this to win; he'll be gone before the primaries. That's fine at this early stage.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2015, 05:43:14 pm »
Do you think because he has a pair and is a FIGHTER might have something to do with it RINOGOP?? :patriot:

All the GOP [base] wants is for one of the candidates to utilize 'plain speak', and to act out like an honest-to-goodness opposition party.

Donald Trump once again, recognizes a need.  And fills it. 
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2015, 06:18:02 pm »
Trump can and is, damaging the GOP chances to win more Hispanic votes.

This is however, consistent with my theory that "conservative" voters are insisting their candidates adopt unpopular p0olicy positions.

This is the way to gain the nomination, and lose the general election.
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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2015, 06:21:49 pm »
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This is however, consistent with my theory that "conservative" voters are insisting their candidates adopt unpopular p0olicy positions.
The old rub: popularity vs. what is right.
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2015, 06:24:05 pm »
Trump can and is, damaging the GOP chances to win more Hispanic votes.

This is however, consistent with my theory that "conservative" voters are insisting their candidates adopt unpopular p0olicy positions.

This is the way to gain the nomination, and lose the general election.

Which is funny, because no other immigrant groups seem to have a problem with it. Why the hispanics? Because they want to come here illegally. But illegal immigrants don't vote either, at least legally. Personally I'd quit worrying about the Hispanics and go after the blue collars in this country of all parties.
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2015, 06:32:21 pm »
All the GOP wants is for one of the candidates to utilize 'plain speak', and to act out like an honest-to-goodness opposition party.

Donald Trump once again, recognizes a need.  And fills it.

If Trump decides to pour a few hundred mil of his own dough into the process, he will definitely be on that stage.  There are plenty of disaffected male voters who might well find his anti-immigrant, anti-trade rants very attractive.

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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2015, 06:50:42 pm »
The old rub: popularity vs. what is right.
Pragmatism. You first have to win, to gain political power. There needs to be a practical "balance."

 
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2015, 07:31:14 pm »
If Trump decides to pour a few hundred mil of his own dough into the process, he will definitely be on that stage.  There are plenty of disaffected male voters who might well find his anti-immigrant, anti-trade rants very attractive.

Maybe he'll get 'REALLY' peed off and buy his own network.  Then, he can say whatever the heck he wants.   :laugh:

edit to add:   Drudge headline says that NBCUniversal has just canceled his Miss Universe contest which was scheduled for July 12th.

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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2015, 07:54:50 pm »
Don't take Trump's predictably self-serving estimates of his net worth too seriously.

Real Estate investors typically claim the highest possible value of their "assets," which are the real properties and other holdings owned by them, etc.

Any appraiser worth his salt will explain there are different category of appraised value.

BTW I just looked at a memorial to fallen war dead, at my city hall facility. For Korea, the Hispanics on the list total 15 out of 35.

The fact is that most "conservatives" are totally "tone deaf" over the ethnicity issues. There are a lot of potential voters who are insulted when smartasses like Trump and Tancredo run their mouths.

But hey, if you think it is "right" go for it. The GOP has lost the national popular vote 5 of the last 6 races, and just 25% of voters self-identify as Republican.

I happen to know from conversations with family that insulting any ethnic group is bad politics.

But when one is "tone deaf," one cannot hear.



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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2015, 08:41:52 pm »
Trump can and is, damaging the GOP chances to win more Hispanic votes.

This is however, consistent with my theory that "conservative" voters are insisting their candidates adopt unpopular p0olicy positions.

This is the way to gain the nomination, and lose the general election.

Glad to see you are happy with Dole, McCain ,Mittens but most are not??? Appreciate your opinion though!

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« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2015, 09:06:29 pm »
The main thing I'm worried about are all the people who actually believe anything Trump is saying. He doesn't give a c*** about American jobs other than his own. He isn't beholding to lobbyists because he is the guy who was paying the lobbyists to buy off the government. He is the other side of the crony capitalism coin.

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« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2015, 09:46:20 pm »
Glad to see you are happy with Dole, McCain ,Mittens but most are not??? Appreciate your opinion though!
Apparently most Republicans were, but most voters were not.
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« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2015, 10:21:12 pm »
Apparently most Republicans were, but most voters were not.
Can't argue that the Pubbies did vote for those guys and Conservatives did not. Same will happen in 2016 if the Pubbies
 put up another RINO. Count on it. The good news is that should just about do the Pubbie Party in and it will be all over. The RINOGOP will go to the Dem side and get their ass kicked.
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« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2015, 10:32:35 pm »
The main thing I'm worried about are all the people who actually believe anything Trump is saying. He doesn't give a c*** about American jobs other than his own. He isn't beholding to lobbyists because he is the guy who was paying the lobbyists to buy off the government. He is the other side of the crony capitalism coin.


I'm still waiting for the Obama's birth records that he claim to have found.
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« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2015, 10:33:57 pm »
Don't take Trump's predictably self-serving estimates of his net worth too seriously.

Real Estate investors typically claim the highest possible value of their "assets," which are the real properties and other holdings owned by them, etc.

Any appraiser worth his salt will explain there are different category of appraised value.

BTW I just looked at a memorial to fallen war dead, at my city hall facility. For Korea, the Hispanics on the list total 15 out of 35.

The fact is that most "conservatives" are totally "tone deaf" over the ethnicity issues. There are a lot of potential voters who are insulted when smartasses like Trump and Tancredo run their mouths.

But hey, if you think it is "right" go for it. The GOP has lost the national popular vote 5 of the last 6 races, and just 25% of voters self-identify as Republican.

I happen to know from conversations with family that insulting any ethnic group is bad politics.

But when one is "tone deaf," one cannot hear.


I also remember the many times Trump has declared bankruptcy...
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2015, 12:30:56 pm »
When I see people like Ari Fleisher and Michael Morrell and every other lobbyist with solemn voice, serious looks and the other self-proclaimed voices of the party, I see exactly what's WRONG with America.  They.  Are.  Impotent.
They don't like Trump because they can't make money off of Trump.
Which reminds me of a David Lee Roth quote of many years back:
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« Reply #21 on: June 30, 2015, 12:32:53 pm »
When I see people like Ari Fleisher and Michael Morrell and every other lobbyist with solemn voice, serious looks and the other self-proclaimed voices of the party, I see exactly what's WRONG with America.  They.  Are.  Impotent.
They don't like Trump because they can't make money off of Trump.
Which reminds me of a David Lee Roth quote of many years back:
"They reason most rock critics like Elvis Costello is because most rock critics LOOK like Elvis Costello.".
The eggheads and intellectuals from Wilson on forward and the guilt driven from Teddy Roosevelt are what's wrong with this country.  Put somebody in the President's chair that doesn't get his hard on from a little blue pill.

And BTW, I DO realize most of my metaphors, similes and other word play have a sexual undercurrent.  Nobody likes a droopy flag, it doesn't inspire.
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« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2015, 11:23:43 pm »
When I see people like Ari Fleisher and Michael Morrell and every other lobbyist with solemn voice, serious looks and the other self-proclaimed voices of the party, I see exactly what's WRONG with America.  They.  Are.  Impotent.
They don't like Trump because they can't make money off of Trump.....

You should dig deeper into how Trump has operated. Trump is the one not being paid off by the lobbyists, he is the one hiring them. As I sad above, he is the other side of the crony capitalism coin. He has a long history of using lobbyists to influence lawmakers, especially on eminent domain issues for his personal ventures.