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State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« on: March 17, 2015, 06:14:59 pm »
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State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
Tuesday, March 17, 2015 01:51 PM

By: By MATTHEW LEE

The State Department says it has no record of Hillary Rodham Clinton signing a statement attesting that she had turned over all unclassified documents related to official business when she left her post as secretary of state in 2013.

Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki (SAH'-kee) said Tuesday that neither of Clinton's two immediate predecessors, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, signed such a statement either.

She also said that different bureaus within the department had different rules relating to such statements that had the effect of making their completion optional by some employees. She could not identify the bureaus in which employees had the option to sign or not.

Questions about whether Clinton signed such a document have swirled since the revelation of her use of a personal email account for government-related work.

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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2015, 06:47:30 pm »
Don't they ever get tired of acting like 4 year olds??

Well, Condi did it FIRST, mommy!  It's not MY fault!!!

I am so SICK of these children.  PLEASE, can we elect some adults in 2016?????
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2015, 06:58:26 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on March 17, 2015, 06:47:30 pm
Don't they ever get tired of acting like 4 year olds??

Well, Condi did it FIRST, mommy!  It's not MY fault!!!

I am so SICK of these children.  PLEASE, can we elect some adults in 2016?????
No they don't get tired of it. They actually are laughing at us each and every day how smart they are. How easy it is to be able to get away with all the things they are doing.
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2015, 09:28:56 pm »
Somewhere George Orwell is either laughing his ass off, or pulling his hair out.
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2015, 10:22:46 pm »
Quote from: PzLdr on March 17, 2015, 09:28:56 pm
Somewhere George Orwell is either laughing his ass off, or pulling his hair out.
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2015, 10:34:02 pm »
Don't you people know that rules are for the little people?
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2015, 10:36:58 pm »
How about making everyone follow the f-ing rules??????????   :#@$%:
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2015, 11:17:56 pm »
Quote from: musiclady on March 17, 2015, 06:47:30 pm
Don't they ever get tired of acting like 4 year olds??

Well, Condi did it FIRST, mommy!  It's not MY fault!!!

I am so SICK of these children.  PLEASE, can we elect some adults in 2016?????

Neither Rice nor Powell signed it either.

Not good, when it's not unprecedented.   :shrug:
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2015, 11:23:25 pm »
All the document does, is alleviate somewhat charges which may have been brought against her which are described in the document itself.

However, this does not clear her in stealing government property which is what those emails were.

She stole government property.
She stored and transmitted 'secure' government information on an unsecured, uncleared, private civilian platform.
She lied implicitly by omission by not informing the government and Congress of the documents she was hiding and storing on her own private server in light of numerous investigations and requests for information.

Objectively, without emotion or politics, it is obvious that she clearly broke several laws. Whether or not anything will come of it from our feckless and cowering Congress and Judicial systems, is anybody's guess.

But, she is by no means, in the clear. This thing has legs, and the real explosions are yet to come.
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2015, 11:26:51 pm »
Quote from: 240B on March 17, 2015, 11:23:25 pm
All the document does, is alleviate somewhat charges which may have been brought against her which are described in the document itself.

However, this does not clear her in stealing government property which is what those emails were.

She stole government property.
She stored and transmitted 'secure' government information on an unsecured, uncleared, private civilian platform.
She lied implicitly by omission by not informing the government and Congress of the documents she was hiding and storing on her own private server in light of numerous investigations and requests for information.

Objectively, without emotion or politics, it is obvious that she clearly broke several laws. Whether or not anything will come of it from our feckless and cowering Congress and Judicial systems, is anybody's guess.

But, she is by no means, in the clear. This thing has legs, and the real explosions are yet to come.

Let's assume for a moment that it is proven beyond doubt that she broke the law several times (I agree that she did). Who exactly is going to hold her accountable?
« Last Edit: March 17, 2015, 11:27:38 pm by Bigun »
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2015, 12:00:49 am »
Quote from: DCPatriot on March 17, 2015, 11:17:56 pm
Neither Rice nor Powell signed it either.

Not good, when it's not unprecedented.   :shrug:

Level charges at all three of them.
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2015, 12:17:14 am »
Quote from: musiclady on March 17, 2015, 06:47:30 pm
PLEASE, can we elect some adults in 2016?????

The adults are running for third parties.
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2015, 12:30:49 am »
Quote from: Luis Gonzalez on March 18, 2015, 12:00:49 am
Level charges at all three of them.

To what purpose? no one in this government is going to do a thing about anything she or they did!
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2015, 02:06:17 am »
Quote from: DCPatriot on March 17, 2015, 11:17:56 pm
Neither Rice nor Powell signed it either.

Not good, when it's not unprecedented.   :shrug:

How do we know that??

A lying administration just said they "couldn't find" them.

That doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2015, 02:13:00 am »
Quote from: musiclady on March 18, 2015, 02:06:17 am
How do we know that??

A lying administration just said they "couldn't find" them.

That doesn't mean they don't exist.

You make an EXCELLENT point! They could tell me that the sun will rise in the East in the morning and I would check to make sure!
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2015, 02:41:06 am »
Quote from: musiclady on March 18, 2015, 02:06:17 am
How do we know that??

A lying administration just said they "couldn't find" them.

That doesn't mean they don't exist.

These guys are not stupid.  They wouldn't claim such a thing without checking it out.

Furthermore, with an instant 24/7 news cycle, Rice and Powell would have discredited the claim by now.  They haven't.
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2015, 03:25:16 am »
Quote from: DCPatriot on March 18, 2015, 02:41:06 am
These guys are not stupid.  They wouldn't claim such a thing without checking it out.

Furthermore, with an instant 24/7 news cycle, Rice and Powell would have discredited the claim by now.  They haven't.

To my knowledge there hasn't ever been a claim by anyone that either Powell or Rice tried to go around the FOIA but that is NOT the case with Hillary Clinton!
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2015, 01:41:26 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on March 18, 2015, 02:41:06 am
These guys are not stupid.  They wouldn't claim such a thing without checking it out.

Furthermore, with an instant 24/7 news cycle, Rice and Powell would have discredited the claim by now.  They haven't.

There is a difference, in addition, that both Powell and Condi worked with and through the State Department servers, and Hillary did not.

Everything they did was on the gov't record anyway since they did things the right way (i.e. legally), so even if the State Department spokeswhatever isn't lying about 'not finding' their forms, the situations aren't parallel.
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2015, 01:42:10 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on March 18, 2015, 03:25:16 am
To my knowledge there hasn't ever been a claim by anyone that either Powell or Rice tried to go around the FOIA but that is NOT the case with Hillary Clinton!

Exactly.  With Clinton it's a matter of deceit.  Not so with either Powell or Rice.
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Re: State: No Record of Clinton Signing Separation Statement
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2015, 02:11:38 pm »
When the press idjits for the administration say things like "Bush (or Rice or Powell) did it!", the questioner should say something like "we understood that Mr. Obama was the anti-Bush and would run his administration more openly, honestly, and professionally.  Has the president decided that they way Bush did things was correct?  Isn't imitation the sincerest form of flattery?"
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