Scarborough: Obama's Crusades Remark Shows 'Stupid Left-wing Equivalency' for ISIS

[rangerrebew]

Scarborough: Obama's Crusades Remark Shows 'Stupid Left-wing Equivalency' for ISIS
 
By Randy Hall | February 6, 2015 | 5:04 PM EST
 

During Friday's edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe program, co-host Joe Scarborough fired back at President Barack Obama's comment that Christians and members of other faiths should not get on their “high horses” regarding Islamic violence given their own religions’ misdeeds in the past, including the Crusades and the Inquisition.

“It's unbelievable,” he noted, that the president had to “go back 700, 800, 900 years” to find an example of Christian extremism. “You see this when you have people” who want to say: “Yes, radical Islam is bad, but look at what Christianity does.”

During Thursday's National Prayer Breakfast, Obama declared that we “see faith being twisted and distorted, used as a wedge or worse, sometimes as a weapon. We see ISIL (the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant), the brutal, vicious death cult that, in the name of religion, carries out unspeakable acts of barbarism.”


So how do we, as people of faith, reconcile these realities? The profound good, the strength, the tenacity, the compassion and love that can flow from all of our faiths operating alongside those who seek to hijack religions for their own murderous acts.

Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.

Fellow co-host Mika Brzezinski said that Obama had generated “a little bit of controversy in Washington" while speaking out about extremism. "The president challenged Christians to reflect on their own religious history.”

Scarborough called Obama's comments “baffling to me” before stating: “Really, you have to go back 800 years to a crusade -- which, by the way, most historians say Christians launched in response to years and years of Muslims taking over their former land.”

Brzezinski then noted that several people have slammed what they called a “false moral comparison, among them former Republican governor Jim Gilmore of Virginia, who accused the president of offending all Christians” in what he framed as “the most offensive remark I've ever heard a president make.”

“I think the timing's bad,” the female co-host asserted. “I think that the bigger conversation on whether or not it's okay to have -- .”

Her co-host cut her off and asked: “Why does he feel the need to go back 800 years?” He then answered his own question by blaming “this stupid, left-wing moral equivalency.”

“Sometimes, you can just say: 'Hey, you know what? There are some really, really bad Muslim extremists, and you don't have to go to the other side, going 'Oh, and Christians are bad, too,'” Scarborough stated.

Stating he saw a documentary on the Cable News Network at least five years ago that dealt with (he said in a deep voice) Extremism in the Name of God, he noted that “they were so desperate to find Jewish examples of extremism, and then – this was right after 9/11 – and then, their example for Christian examples of extremism was: 'Some schools, some Christian schools in America actually make women wear skirts below their knees.'”

“How ghastly,” he said sarcastically. “Let's see: wear skirts below your knees on this side at fundamentalist schools or blow up the Trade Center” on the other side.

“No, it's not okay. It's not okay for this president” to compare something that happened centuries ago with current acts of barbarism, Scarborough continued. “You almost have to ask the question: Where did he go to church? Where would he get such ideas from?”

The co-host then turned to one of his guests, Sam Stein of the Huffington Post website.

“What's so funny, Sam, is when liberals, pseudo-intellectuals, make these arguments, they actually don't realize they make themselves look foolish.”

“I think he was reverting to his post-presidency academic mode where he wanted to draw these historical moral equivalencies,” Stein replied.

“The broader point that religion can be perverted is pretty well established at this point, but you don't need to do that in this context with ISIS (the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria) all around you,” he continued.

“I will say this,” Stein said. “I need to find my outrage dial” since he felt that Gilmore's comment was “ridiculous.”

He also stated that Obama's remarks were “stupid, dumb and ill-timed.”

“I'm not outraged by this,” Scarborough responded. “I just agree with Sam. This is just stupid and dumb.”

Stein then gave Barack Obama some advice: “If you want to talk about the perversion of religion, don't do it while you're president, do it in your post-presidential life.”

The co-host then added that “if you want to talk about the perversion of religion, don't pervert the facts.”


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[Politics4us]

Obama is a Muslim.

[aligncare]

Obama is nothing. He has no core. He's a liberal; that makes him relativistic in all areas of his life, including in character and principles.

The problem with Obama is not that he's Muslim but that he's liberal.

[Bigun]

Obama is nothing. He has no core. He's a liberal; that makes him relativistic in all areas of his life, including in character and principles.

The problem with Obama is not that he's Muslim but that he's liberal.

Obama is owned, lock ,stock, and barrel, by the Iranian Mullahs and he definitely DOES have a plan!

Read all about it at the link below!

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,161443.msg645407.html#msg645407

[Politics4us]

Obama is nothing. He has no core. He's a liberal; that makes him relativistic in all areas of his life, including in character and principles.

The problem with Obama is not that he's Muslim but that he's liberal.

Sure. I don't see a majority Democrats saying this.

[Carling]

Obama conveniently left out that the Koran depicts Muhammad as a warrior who beheads enemies, burns down entire villages, and marries a child, all in the name of Allah.

ISIS is doing exactly what the Koran is telling them to do.  They are actually practicing "true" Islam, according to their own prophet's actions. 

[Bigun]

[Carling]

Obama is a Muslim.

Obama is a liberal atheist.  That's more frightening than if he were Mooselimb, since liberal atheism is basically another term for an anti-Christian/anti-Semitic person in power. 

[240B]

Obama is a liberal atheist.  That's more frightening than if he were Mooselimb, since liberal atheism is basically another term for an anti-Christian/anti-Semitic person in power.

Whether or not Obama is a Muslim or not is not relevant. (He is actually a Muslim, by the way, technically through his father. That is just a plain fact.) What is relevant is that he seems to support the goals of radical Islam.

I don't care if he is a Moonie. His religion does not matter as much as his thoughts, words, and actions, and all of these have been in support of a radical version of Islam. What he does, not his may or may not religion, is the important thing. And what he does is, he supports terrorists.

[Oceander]

Obama is nothing. He has no core. He's a liberal; that makes him relativistic in all areas of his life, including in character and principles.

The problem with Obama is not that he's Muslim but that he's liberal.

couldn't have said it better myself

[Politics4us]

Obama is a liberal atheist.  That's more frightening than if he were Mooselimb, since liberal atheism is basically another term for an anti-Christian/anti-Semitic person in power.

Bill Maher is a liberal atheist and so was the late Christopher Hitchens. They didn't defend Islam. I used to say the same thing you're saying about Obama until Benghazi, Isis, and his treatment of Israel. He goes too far to say he's just a liberal. They've called Ft. Hood, "Workplace violence" etc.

[Dexter]

Bill Maher is a liberal atheist and so was the late Christopher Hitchens. They didn't defend Islam.

Most atheists loathe Islam.

[massadvj]

Obama is nothing. He has no core. He's a liberal; that makes him relativistic in all areas of his life, including in character and principles.

The problem with Obama is not that he's Muslim but that he's liberal.

I agree that he is fundamentally a liberal.  But I think he has a natural inclination to trust Islam because he thinks he understands it so much better than the rest of us do.  This latest gaffe is one example.

To me, the most interesting aspect of OPapaDoc's comment was the "sins of the fathers" argument.  He seems to be saying that the current generation is responsible for what previous generations have done, whether it be the crusades, slavery or Jim Crow.  And yet, OPapa's very election reflects the idea that in our society we do not buy into the notion that the son is guilty of the sins of the father.  I dare say if OPapaDoc's father was on the ballot, given both senior's personal and professional history, OPapaDoc would never have been nominated or elected.

Also, in OpapaDoc's case, he does not think his own father "sinned" whereas he is convinced the rest of us are the children of evil-doers.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Obama is nothing. He has no core. He's a liberal; that makes him relativistic in all areas of his life, including in character and principles.

The problem with Obama is not that he's Muslim but that he's liberal.

Great points.  But IMHO the problem with Obama is that to his core he is what he's been taught to be:  a hater.  Whites, Christians, Jews, Americans, the British--he's been taught to hate them all.  And he has learned this lesson well.

[Luis Gonzalez]

“It's unbelievable,” he noted, that the president had to “go back 700, 800, 900 years” to find an example of Christian extremism.

Western civilization and Christianity have fought and bled to get out of the Dark Ages and rise above the barbarism of those times, while Islam and the majority of the ME have fought and bled to remain there.

The problem is not what we did then. The problem is what they're doing now.

Meanwhile, we fire bombed Dresden and split Germany up like a drunken King Solomon making one of his less-known decisions.

We nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki and destroyed Japan's economy.

We banged every Italian chick between Salerno and Milan who needed some stockings and had an affinity for chocolate, leaving behind tens of thousands of extra EXTRA tanned illegitimate children to mark our passing.

And all that not so long ago that some of the guys responsible aren't still around and liable for a possible paternity suit.

Now we're besties and buy one another's cars over our own.

Muslims on the other hand are still pissed off about crap that happened a thousand years ago, IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT THEY STARTED IT, and using that millennial-old crap to justify every atrocity they commit today.

If they're using what happened a thousand years ago to justify what they're doing today, a thousand years from now they'll be doing the same things and justifying them with complaints about what's going on today.

We need to end this, or it will end us.

[olde north church]

Western civilization and Christianity have fought and bled to get out of the Dark Ages and rise above the barbarism of those times, while Islam and the majority of the ME have fought and bled to remain there.

The problem is not what we did then. The problem is what they're doing now.

Meanwhile, we fire bombed Dresden and split Germany up like a drunken King Solomon making one of his less-known decisions.

We nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki and destroyed Japan's economy.

We banged every Italian chick between Salerno and Milan who needed some stockings and had an affinity for chocolate, leaving behind tens of thousands of extra EXTRA tanned illegitimate children to mark our passing.

And all that not so long ago that some of the guys responsible aren't still around and liable for a possible paternity suit.

Now we're besties and buy one another's cars over our own.

Muslims on the other hand are still pissed off about crap that happened a thousand years ago, IN SPITE OF THE FACT THAT THEY STARTED IT, and using that millennial-old crap to justify every atrocity they commit today.

If they're using what happened a thousand years ago to justify what they're doing today, a thousand years from now they'll be doing the same things and justifying them with complaints about what's going on today.

We need to end this, or it will end us.

They have nothing to point to during those 1500 years.  They have created nothing, only stolen.  They sculpt nothing, paint nothing, no melodies, nothing.
Europeans have hacked through, sailed across, dug under and flew across, Asians as well.  They have nothing to lose.  A pebble to wipe their ass.

[Fishrrman]

240b wrote above:
[[ I don't care if he is a Moonie. His religion does not matter as much as his thoughts, words, and actions, and all of these have been in support of a radical version of Islam. What he does, not his may or may not religion, is the important thing. And what he does is, he supports terrorists. ]]

Of course, you're right.

I said it before and I'll say it again:
muslim is as muslim does.

Apply Mr. Gump's logic to Obama...