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    Nina Pham, 26, caught the Ebola virus while treating Thomas Eric Duncan at Dallas Presbyterian Hospital before his death
    Miss Pham was raised in Vietnamese family in Fort Worth and graduated from Texas Christian University in 2010 with Bachelor of Science in Nursing
    Friends described her as compassionate and devoted to her vocation
    HazChem teams spent the weekend fumigating her Dallas apartment
    Dallas Mayor said her beloved King Charles Spaniel will not be destroyed
    Authorities have blamed a 'breach of protocol' - but nursing leaders have criticized the CDC for making her a scapegoat


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If she survives will Jesse Jackson sue the hospital because they cured a non-black?   :smokin:


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Strange given that none of the people living with Duncan have exhibited symptoms or been diagnosed...


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chrissakes.....what's so difficult in posting a picture of her when it's in the freaking title of the thread?

Maybe some of us don't prefer to click on a link..... :whistle:
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From the article:
[[ Presbyterian's chief clinical officer, Dr Dan Varga, said all staff had followed CDC recommended precautions – 'gown, glove, mask and shield' – while treating Mr Duncan.
And on Monday the CDC said that a critical moment may have come when Miss Pham took off her equipment. ]]


What is not mentioned is that perhaps the existing "protocols" for protective equipment when treating Ebola patients are woefully inadequate.

At least some of he pictures I've seen of medical people "suited up" for Ebola have shown areas of exposed skin. In addition, what precautions are being taken for breathing? I'm not seeing medical personnel "on protected air" (that is, air supplied from a source other than the room they're working in.

Refer to this post which is an excerpt from Richard Preston's "The Hot Zone":
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"This is a slice of lung tissue. A monkey that was exposed through the lungs. See how the virus bubbles up in the lung? It's Ebola Zaire."

I could see individual cells, and some of them were swollen with dark specks.
"We'll go to higher magnification."

The cells got bigger. The dark specks became angular, shadowy blobs. The blobs were bursting out of the cells, like something hatching.

"Those are big, fat bricks," she said.

They were Ebola crystalloids bursting out of the lungs. The lungs were popping Ebola directly into the air. My scalp crawled and I felt suddenly like a civilian who had seen something that maybe civilians should not see.

"These lungs are very hot," she said in a matter-of-face voice.

"You see those bricks budding directly into the air spaces of the lung?

When you cough, this stuff comes up your throat in your sputum. That's why you don't want someone who has Ebola coughing in your face."
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Note: fuller excerpt here:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=150993.msg609703#msg609703

In the case above, "bricks" of Ebola virus were bursting right out of a monkey's lung tissue, into the air inside its lungs (which would then be exhaled).

This is why the doctors and technicians who work with Ebola at the Army's Ft. Detrick (MD) facility must use SPACE SUITS with a full air supply to enter areas "hot" with Ebola. It's considered biohazard "level 4" and ordinary protective gear (the kind we've seen in almost all the pics of medical personnel handling Ebola patients) is insufficient (or at least thought so by those in the know in the Army) to provide protection.

So next time you read that this nurse (or those medics who are going to be contracting it from future patients) "violated protocols", better re-examine the premise of such statements.

What if "the protocols" are wrong....??

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From the article:
[[ Presbyterian's chief clinical officer, Dr Dan Varga, said all staff had followed CDC recommended precautions – 'gown, glove, mask and shield' – while treating Mr Duncan.
And on Monday the CDC said that a critical moment may have come when Miss Pham took off her equipment. ]]


What is not mentioned is that perhaps the existing "protocols" for protective equipment when treating Ebola patients are woefully inadequate.

At least some of he pictures I've seen of medical people "suited up" for Ebola have shown areas of exposed skin. In addition, what precautions are being taken for breathing? I'm not seeing medical personnel "on protected air" (that is, air supplied from a source other than the room they're working in.

Refer to this post which is an excerpt from Richard Preston's "The Hot Zone":
===
"This is a slice of lung tissue. A monkey that was exposed through the lungs. See how the virus bubbles up in the lung? It's Ebola Zaire."

I could see individual cells, and some of them were swollen with dark specks.
"We'll go to higher magnification."

The cells got bigger. The dark specks became angular, shadowy blobs. The blobs were bursting out of the cells, like something hatching.

"Those are big, fat bricks," she said.

They were Ebola crystalloids bursting out of the lungs. The lungs were popping Ebola directly into the air. My scalp crawled and I felt suddenly like a civilian who had seen something that maybe civilians should not see.

"These lungs are very hot," she said in a matter-of-face voice.

"You see those bricks budding directly into the air spaces of the lung?

When you cough, this stuff comes up your throat in your sputum. That's why you don't want someone who has Ebola coughing in your face."
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Note: fuller excerpt here:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php?topic=150993.msg609703#msg609703

In the case above, "bricks" of Ebola virus were bursting right out of a monkey's lung tissue, into the air inside its lungs (which would then be exhaled).

This is why the doctors and technicians who work with Ebola at the Army's Ft. Detrick (MD) facility must use SPACE SUITS with a full air supply to enter areas "hot" with Ebola. It's considered biohazard "level 4" and ordinary protective gear (the kind we've seen in almost all the pics of medical personnel handling Ebola patients) is insufficient (or at least thought so by those in the know in the Army) to provide protection.

So next time you read that this nurse (or those medics who are going to be contracting it from future patients) "violated protocols", better re-examine the premise of such statements.

What if "the protocols" are wrong....??

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Not to make a political issue out of this terrible situation but this is the very difference between liberalism and conservatism.  Until a good, scientific understanding is obtained about this awful disease, a conservative approach is called for, i. e.:  assume you can be infected just by looking at someone who is infected, assume it's everywhere, and take every known precaution to protect against it and then some.  The stupid a$$ liberals assume existing protocols and practices are sufficient.  No!  Suit up with everything ya got if you're treating someone with Ebola.  Stop all flights--excepting medical personnel and supplies--out of hot zones.  Certainly, don't make flimsy excuses for why you think we shouldn't stop commercial flights.  (I'm looking at you, Dr. Frieden.)
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Strange given that none of the people living with Duncan have exhibited symptoms or been diagnosed...

Don't bring any level of rationality into Ebola discussions.

While there is still time for it to appear, every day after day 8 the odds go down rapidly.  No doubt they've had blood tests which would likely show if they were infected, even if symptoms hadn't appeared.

The good thing to come out of this is it will make everyone up the level of protection.  Ideally, they'll use Level A suits.
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Updated at 6:44 p.m.: Dallas nurse Nina Pham received a blood transfusion from another Ebola patient as part of her treatment, her family's priest Father Jim Khoi said.

Though isolated for treatment, the young nurse's spirits are high and she is doing relatively well so far, said Khoi, the priest at Our Lady of Fatima.

"She's doing well," said Khoi, who was updated on her condition by Pham's mom. "She's very comfortable. She's very supported now. She knows that everybody knew to pray for her especially in this difficult time."

A Samaritan's Purse spokesman said that at the request of the hospital, Dr. Kent Brantly went to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas on Sunday to donate plasma.

 This is the third time Brantly has done so since recovering from Ebola. He also donated to NBC News freelance cameraman Ashoka Mukpo and aid worker Dr. Rick Sacra, who left the Nebraska Medical Center virus-free in September.

The spokesman said Brantly also offered to give blood to Thomas Eric Duncan but was not a match.

Treating Ebola with blood transfusions from recovered patients is experimental. ​The theory is that plasma in survivors would contain antibodies that could protect against the disease.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20141012-dallas-nurse-receives-transfusion-from-ebola-survivor-dr.-kent-brantly.ece
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Texas nurse fighting Ebola receives blood transfusion from survivor Dr Kent Brantly - who also matched blood types with two others struck by the deadly virus in the U.S.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2791089/first-picture-devoted-texas-nurse-fighting-life-catching-ebola-treating-man-brought-dreaded-virus-america-beloved-dog-s-quarantine.html

By NICK FAGGE IN DALLAS, TEXAS FOR MAILONLINE and MIA DE GRAAF FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 11:28 EST, 13 October 2014 | UPDATED: 21:48 EST, 13 October 2014


 
 * Nina Pham, 26, has received blood transfusion from Dr Kent Brantly

 * Survivor Brantly also donated to Dr Nick Sacra and NBC's Ashoka Mukpo

 * Antibodies in his blood could help the patients fight the disease

 * Pham caught the Ebola virus while treating Thomas Eric Duncan in Dallas

 * Miss Pham was raised in Vietnamese family in Fort Worth and graduated from Texas Christian University in 2010 with Bachelor of Science in Nursing
 
 * HazChem teams spent the weekend fumigating her Dallas apartment

 * Authorities have blamed a 'breach of protocol' - but nursing leaders have criticized the CDC for making her a scapegoat


The Texan nurse diagnosed with Ebola has received a blood transfusion from survivor Dr Kent Brantly, reports claim.

It is the third time Dr Brantly has donated blood to Ebola victims after medics discovered he had the same blood type as previous patient Dr Nick Sacra and NBC cameraman Ashoka Mukpo, who is still being treated.

Incredibly, nurse Nina Pham, 26, has also matched with Brantly and today received a transfusion of his blood in a move that doctors believe could save her life.

Pham has been in quarantine since Friday after catching the disease from 'patient zero' Thomas Eric Duncan - the man who brought the deadly virus to America.     

Brantly is believed to have traveled to Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital, where Pham worked, to make the donation on Sunday night.

Today, Pham's condition was described as 'clinically stable'.

Those who have survived Ebola have antibodies in their blood which can help new sufferers beat the disease.

Dr Kent Brantly was flown back from Liberia to the U.S. after contracting Ebola during his missionary work for Samaritan's Purse.

He survived after receiving a dose of the experimental serum Z-Mapp and round-the-clock care at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia.

On September 10, Dr Brantly donated blood to a fellow doctor, Dr Rick Sacra, who also contracted Ebola during his work in West Africa and survived the disease.

Last Tuesday, he was on a road trip from Indiana to Texas when he received a call from Ashoka Mukpo's medical center in Nebraska telling him his blood type matched Mukpo’s.

He also offered his blood to Thomas Eric Duncan but their blood types didn't match.

Within minutes, he stopped off at the Community Blood Center in Kansas City, Missouri, and his donation was flown to Omaha.

Pham was diagnosed after admitting herself to hospital on Friday when her temperature spiked – one of the first symptoms of the deadly virus.

A blood test confirmed she had the disease and she is now being treated in an isolation ward.
 
The Emergency Room where she was admitted was cleared and decontaminated.

Nina Pham's uncle confirmed to MailOnline that she is the nurse who has contracted Ebola while treating patient zero Thomas Eric Duncan.

Jason Nguyen told MailOnline: 'Nina has contracted Ebola, she is my niece. Her mother called me on Saturday and told me; 'Nina has caught Ebola.'

'My sister is very upset, we all are. She said she was going up to the hospital in Dallas and I haven't heard from her since. I've tried to call but I can't get through. It's very shocking. I don't know any of the details, only what I hear on the news. It's frightening.'

He added: 'Nina is very hard working. She is always up at the hospital in Dallas.'

A friend added: 'You always hear it on the news, but you don’t expect someone you know so well to have it.'

HazChem teams spent the weekend fumigating her apartment in Dallas while health officials have ordered an investigation into how she contracted the disease.

Her beloved King Charles Spaniel will not be destroyed and is being quarantined, Dallas mayor Mike Rawlings has assured.

Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Protection (CDC) Dr Thomas Frieden has blamed a 'breach in protocol' of infection control lead Miss Pham to catch Ebola.

Mr Duncan arrived in Texas from Liberia on September 20. He began showing symptoms of Ebola three days after his arrival and was admitted to Texas Presbyterian Hospital on Sunday 28. He died on Wednesday October 8.

Presbyterian's chief clinical officer, Dr Dan Varga, said all staff had followed CDC recommended precautions – 'gown, glove, mask and shield' – while treating Mr Duncan.

And on Monday the CDC said that a critical moment may have come when Miss Pham took off her equipment.

Ebola victims suffer chronic diarrhea and bleeding. But blood and feces from an Ebola patient are considered the most infectious bodily fluids.

Mr Duncan also underwent two surgical procedures in a bid to keep him alive but which are particularly high-risk for transmitting the virus – kidney dialysis and intubation to help him to breathe – due to the spread of blood and saliva.

Nurses' leader Bonnie Castillo has criticized the CDC for blaming the nurse for the spread of the disease.

Ms Castillo, of the National Nurses United, said: 'You don't scapegoat and blame when you have a disease outbreak. We have a system failure. That is what we have to correct.'

In response to the criticism, Frieden clarified his comments to say that he did not mean it was an error on Miss Pham's part that led to the 'breach of protocol.'

The CDC said on Monday it has launched a wholesale review of the procedures and equipment used by healthcare workers.
 
Dr Frieden added that the case 'substantially' changes how medical staff approach the control of the virus, adding that: 'We have to rethink how we address Ebola control, because even a single infection is unacceptable.'

Friends and well-wishers have paid tribute to Miss Pham and praised her as a big-hearted, compassionate nurse dedicated to caring for other.

Raised in Vietnamese family in Fort Worth, she graduated from Texas Christian University in 2010 with a Bachelor of Science in Nursing.

She obtained her nursing license in August 2010 and recently qualified as a critical care nurse.

A friend told the Dallas Morning News: 'When she got accepted into nursing school she was really excited. Her mom would tell how it's really hard and a bunch of her friends quit doing it because it was so stressful. But she was like, "This is what I want to do".'

A devout Christian she regularly attends mass at the Lady of Fatima Church.

Tom Ha, who taught her bible class, told the paper: 'The family is very dedicated and go out of their way to help people. I expect, with the big heart she has, she went beyond what she was supposed to do to help anyone in need.'

Hung Le, who is president and counselor at Our Lady of Fatima, said parishioners are uniting in prayer for Miss Pham.

He said: 'Our most important concern as a church is to help the family as they are coping with this. As a parish, we are praying for them.'

Ha, who taught the woman in Bible classes, said he and others are translating health information into Vietnamese to help others learn about the illness.

'People are more worried for the family than for themselves, but some have questions because they don’t really understand what it is or how it is transmitted.'

The World Health Organization today called the Ebola outbreak 'the most severe, acute health emergency seen in modern times'.

It added that economic disruption can be curbed if people are educated so they don't make any irrational moves to dodge infection.

WHO Director-General Margaret Chan, citing World Bank figures, said 90 per cent of economic costs of any outbreak 'come from irrational and disorganised efforts of the public to avoid infection.'

'We are seeing, right now, how this virus can disrupt economies and societies around the world,' she said, but added that adequately educating the public was a 'good defense strategy' and would allow governments to prevent economic disruptions.

Ebola screening of passengers arriving from three West African countries began at New York's JFK airport on Saturday.

Medical teams equipped with temperature guns and questionnaires are monitoring arrivals from Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone – countries at the centre of the Ebola outbreak.

Screening at Newark Liberty, Washington Dulles, Chicago O’Hare and Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta will begin later this week.

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From what I've read about this nurse, she is a very nice person - I hope this transfusion works for her and the other guy.  It is an amazing thing that their blood types happened to match Dr. Brantly's blood type!

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Ebola Nurse Boyfriend Reportedly Admitted With Ebola Symptoms
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2014, 02:26:45 am »
Ebola Nurse Boyfriend Reportedly Admitted With Ebola Symptoms

An email sent out to the Alcon staff by its CEO reportedly said that the ebola nurse’s boyfriend was admitted into hospital with “Ebola-like symptoms.”

Gotnews.com has received word from two different Alcon employees, both of whom asked not to be identified.

Alcon’s U.S. headquarters are in Fort Worth, Texas. It is an opthomological pharmaceutical company.

Requests for comment from Alcon were not returned.

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    So, parents work at Alcon and so does Nina Pham's boyfriend.. He's now in quarantine

    — Nicole Schneider (@tcubroad) October 14, 2014

    @ChuckCJohnson Email sent out by CEO at Alcon

    — Nicole Schneider (@tcubroad) October 14, 2014

    @ScottGordonNBC5 are y'all not going to report about Nina's boyfriend that works at Alcon in FORT WORTH who was admitted for Ebola symptoms?

    — Kylie Turner (@kylieforeverb) October 13, 2014


http://gotnews.com/ebola-nurse-boyfriend-reportedly-admitted-ebola-symptoms/

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Re: Ebola Nurse Boyfriend Reportedly Admitted With Ebola Symptoms
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2014, 02:29:02 am »
Oh no.  How many more will get this from that one patient?  And isn't it strange that Mr. Duncan's family members don't seem to be showing symptoms - or if they are - they're not reporting it?

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Re: Ebola Nurse Boyfriend Reportedly Admitted With Ebola Symptoms
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2014, 02:39:35 am »
Oh no.  How many more will get this from that one patient?  And isn't it strange that Mr. Duncan's family members don't seem to be showing symptoms - or if they are - they're not reporting it?

I am becoming more and more convinced that ground zero being 'Red State', Texas, was NOT a coincidence.

The elections are 'only' three weeks away.  Talk about a fly in the ointment....

How will Rick Perry deal with this?  Will the Feds be invading with troops?  Will the entire county be quarantined?
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Re: Ebola Nurse Boyfriend Reportedly Admitted With Ebola Symptoms
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2014, 02:43:40 am »
I am becoming more and more convinced that ground zero being 'Red State', Texas, was NOT a coincidence.

The elections are 'only' three weeks away.  Talk about a fly in the ointment....

How will Rick Perry deal with this?  Will the Feds be invading with troops?  Will the entire county be quarantined?

Me too DC!  I've had a strong feeling that there was going to be a big "October Surprise" - well, even my strong imagination never came up with anything like this - but the timing........I think there's something to it.  Texas is ground-zero!

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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2014, 02:46:49 am »
Me too DC!  I've had a strong feeling that there was going to be a big "October Surprise" - well, even my strong imagination never came up with anything like this - but the timing........I think there's something to it.  Texas is ground-zero!

Its not a conspiracy. People are not washing their hands after touching soiled objects. I carry a hand sanitizer before and after touching objects. When you are in a hospital setting you have to be more hygienic. Do not let people sneeze in your face. After you use the restroom, you have to wash your hands. Its basic cleanliness 101. In California, people who prepare your food must wear gloves.
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Re: Ebola Nurse Boyfriend Reportedly Admitted With Ebola Symptoms
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2014, 02:50:45 am »
Me too DC!  I've had a strong feeling that there was going to be a big "October Surprise" - well, even my strong imagination never came up with anything like this - but the timing........I think there's something to it.  Texas is ground-zero!

My immediate thoughts are....just what the hell is considered "high crimes and misdemeanors...."?  And where the hell are the calls for Obama's resignation and removal?   

The entire administration should be rounded up and frog marched.

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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2014, 02:52:54 am »
My immediate thoughts are....just what the hell is considered "high crimes and misdemeanors...."?  And where the hell are the calls for Obama's resignation and removal?   

The entire administration should be rounded up and frog marched.

And I was at the Grassy Knoll. The Republicans are going to win so everyone should take a chill pill.

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Re: Ebola Nurse Boyfriend Reportedly Admitted With Ebola Symptoms
« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2014, 02:54:06 am »
My immediate thoughts are....just what the hell is considered "high crimes and misdemeanors...."?  And where the hell are the calls for Obama's resignation and removal?   

The entire administration should be rounded up and frog marched.

Agree!  I mean, what the hell is it going to take?  He knows he can get away with anything right now - because it's right before the election!  And the cowards in Congress are too afraid of even their own shadows right now - afraid to say anything wrong.

Prison is too good for these people. 
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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2014, 03:00:44 am »
Agree!  I mean, what the hell is it going to take?  He knows he can get away with anything right now - because it's right before the election!  And the cowards in Congress are too afraid of even their own shadows right now - afraid to say anything wrong.

Prison is too good for these people.

The Republicans are going to win and stop scaring people. What is needed is finding some sort of vaccination of this disease.
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Re: Ebola Nurse Boyfriend Reportedly Admitted With Ebola Symptoms
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2014, 03:04:34 am »
And I was at the Grassy Knoll. The Republicans are going to win so everyone should take a chill pill.

The problem as I see it Trigger - is that the GOP probably will squeak a win - but they're going to get the blame for all the crap coming down the road for the next two years - and it's going to ruin it for them in 2016.  In some ways, it would be better if they lost - then maybe Americans will be sick to freakin' death of these people by 2016. 

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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2014, 03:08:44 am »
The problem as I see it Trigger - is that the GOP probably will squeak a win - but they're going to get the blame for all the crap coming down the road for the next two years - and it's going to ruin it for them in 2016.  In some ways, it would be better if they lost - then maybe Americans will be sick to freakin' death of these people by 2016.

Everyone is blaming Obama right now, especially his weekend golf tours.

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Re: Ebola Nurse Boyfriend Reportedly Admitted With Ebola Symptoms
« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2014, 03:09:06 am »
You have not read the latest Zogby Polls:

http://www.zogbyanalytics.com/news/505-zogby-report-card-ebola-islamic-state-lower-pay-drag-obama-down

I never read polls.  There is already an ad out blaming this ebola thing on the Republicans!  It's their standard playbook and most Americans are so stupid, they buy it hook, line and sinker.  Plus, you have to factor in their cheating.

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« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2014, 03:10:30 am »
I never read polls.  There is already an ad out blaming this ebola thing on the Republicans!  It's their standard playbook and most Americans are so stupid, they buy it hook, line and sinker.  Plus, you have to factor in their cheating.

You have not read the credible ones like John Zogby or Dick Morris
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Re: Ebola Nurse Boyfriend Reportedly Admitted With Ebola Symptoms
« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2014, 03:15:18 am »
You have not read the credible ones like John Zogby or Dick Morris

No, I haven't.  Doesn't matter to me - I know how liberals behave.  They are liars and cheaters and they don't play by the rules.  Surely you can see that.

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« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2014, 03:18:44 am »
No, I haven't.  Doesn't matter to me - I know how liberals behave.  They are liars and cheaters and they don't play by the rules.  Surely you can see that.

Dick Morris is far from being a liberal. He would probably call that an insult.
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« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2014, 03:29:04 am »
Dick Morris is far from being a liberal. He would probably call that an insult.

Time will tell, I guess.   :beer:
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By Amy Ellis Nutt, Mark Berman and Brady Dennis

 As a 26-year-old Dallas nurse lay infected in the same hospital where she treated a dying Ebola patient last week, government officials on Monday said the first transmission of the disease in the United States had revealed systemic failures in preparation that must “substantially” change in coming days.

“We have to rethink the way we address Ebola infection control, because even a single infection is unacceptable,” Thomas Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said in a news conference.

Frieden did not detail precisely how the extensive, government-issued safety protocols in place at many facilities might need to change or in what ways hospitals need to ramp up training for front-line doctors or nurses.

But his message was clear: With Ebola, there is no margin for error. The Dallas case made that certain.

Federal, state and local health officials on Monday raced to investigate how Nina Pham, a nurse at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas, became infected with Ebola. A 2010 graduate of Texas Christian University’s nursing program, she was part of the team that treated Thomas Eric Duncan, a Liberian man who succumbed to the virus Wednesday after more than a week at the hospital.

A health-care worker tested positive for the deadly virus.--

 Disposal barrels are stationed outside the Dallas apartment of a health-care worker who treated Ebola patient Thomas Eric Duncan and tested positive for the disease. (Brandon Wade/AP)
 
 
Officials have said Pham wore protective gear, including a gown, gloves, a mask and a face shield, while caring for Duncan on multiple occasions. But Ebola can easily infect those who come into contact with the bodily fluids of Ebola patients, and the smallest slip in putting on or taking off protective gear can open the door to the virus.

Authorities on Monday also were working to determine how many other health-care workers at the hospital could have been exposed to the virus. About 70 staffers cared for Duncan, according to records obtained by the Associated Press.

“We need to consider the possibility that there could be additional cases, particularly among the health-care workers who cared for [Duncan] when he was so ill,” Frieden said. “We would not be surprised if we did see additional cases.”


Asked about how many people at the hospital might be at risk and in need of monitoring, Frieden said: “It’s a relatively large number, we think. . . . We cast a wide net and then narrow that down.”

Pham, whom family members and a church rector identified to a Dallas television station as the infected nurse, remained in stable condition at the hospital Monday, officials said. Investigators had tracked down only one person she might have had contact with since showing symptoms of the disease Friday. Pham, who had been at home taking her temperature twice a day, notified the hospital when she developed a fever, and she quickly was admitted to an isolated unit.

Kent Brantly, a U.S. doctor infected with Ebola this summer while treating patients at a missionary hospital in Liberia, went to the Dallas hospital on Sunday and donated his blood for Pham. The hope is that giving an Ebola victim an injection of blood plasma from a survivor could deliver antibodies that help fight off the virus.

Brantly, who was flown to Atlanta for treatment after his diagnosis and later released, was in Texas at the end of last week to deliver a speech at his alma mater, Abilene Christian University. A spokesman for Samaritan’s Purse, the Christian aid group for which Brantly worked in Africa, said the Dallas hospital got in touch with him after Pham’s diagnosis to see if he would be willing to donate. Brantly made the 180-mile trip east to offer his blood. 
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It is the third time he has donated blood since recovering from Ebola. He gave blood for another infected American doctor as well as for an Ebola-stricken NBC cameraman, both of whom were treated in Nebraska. Brantly also offered to donate blood to Duncan before his death, but their blood types were not a match.

Meanwhile, the 48 people known to have had possible contact with Duncan before his hospitalization, including 10 “high risk” family members who cared for him or stayed in the same apartment, continue to show no symptoms.


“Everybody’s okay,” said Aaron Yah, who is in quarantine along with other relatives of Duncan. He said that no one, including Duncan’s girlfriend, has shown any signs of infection.

As investigators work to figure out how Pham got infected, health officials already are considering exactly what protocols need strengthening at U.S. hospitals. The CDC said it will examine every aspect of dealing with suspected or confirmed Ebola cases, including how best to staff isolation units and how protective gear is put on and taken off.

“We have not identified a specific problem that led to this infection,” Frieden said. “We have identified a series of things where we can make the care safer and easier for the health-care workers that are providing it.”

Some new measures already are being put in place, Frieden said. Among other things, the CDC says a “buddy system” is essential for health-care workers to ensure the proper removal of protective gear. It is unclear whether that practice was in place in Dallas and how common it is elsewhere.

The chief executive of Texas Health Resources, which operates the Dallas facility, spoke Monday at a town-hall meeting there for hospital employees. “In our collective efforts to improve our knowledge, processes and outcomes, we must not lose sight of the compassion and selflessness a member of our family, and others, have demonstrated to care for others infected with this insidious disease,” CEO Barclay Berdan said. Acknowledging the scrutiny the hospital is under, he added: “We recognize the professional, tireless and compassionate care you provide each and every day. We are staying focused on taking care of our patients and each other.”


In recent days, National Nurses United, the largest union of registered nurses in the United States, has insisted that most hospitals are still not prepared to properly deal with Ebola. Nurses have complained of inadequate training or in some cases almost no training at all on the correct protocols. That lack of preparation is unacceptable, given the risk that front-line health workers face in treating potential Ebola patients, the nurses say.

That sentiment also prompted Frieden to apologize Monday for remarks he made immediately after Pham’s infection was announced. He said over the weekend that “a breach in protocol resulted in this infection,” a remark that some people interpreted as faulting the nurse.

“That was certainly not my intention. People on the front lines are really protecting all of us,” Frieden said. “The enemy here is a virus, Ebola. It’s not a person. It’s not a country. It’s not a place. It’s not a hospital. It’s a virus. It’s a virus that’s tough to fight.”

Yellow police tape on Monday cordoned off the two-story brick apartment building where Pham and her boyfriend live. Sheriff’s deputies and Dallas hazmat units lingered in front of the building for hours. A man in a Dodge truck from Louisiana with the name “OMI Environmental Solutions” on the side arrived about 9 a.m.

 
Meanwhile, the enhanced screening that began at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York over the weekend has flagged 91 travelers who came from the three West African countries hardest hit by Ebola. Five people were stopped for additional screening, Frieden said. None had a fever or Ebola.

Similar screening will roll out at airports in Washington, Atlanta, Chicago and Newark later this week.

The White House said Monday that President Obama met with members of his public health and national security team to discuss the situation in Texas. Frieden and Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Mathews Burwell detailed the personnel and resources that have been sent to Dallas, as well as various efforts underway to heighten awareness and increase training for health-care workers throughout the country.

As Pham began her fight against the deadly virus in Dallas, the incinerated belongings of the Ebola patient she had treated were bound for a Louisiana hazardous-waste landfill — until the state’s attorney general, Buddy Caldwell, raised concerns that Duncan’s ashes could pose a danger to the state’s population.

Caldwell’s office said in a statement Monday that a Louisiana judge had granted its request for a temporary restraining order blocking the transportation of Duncan’s remains into the state. Despite the CDC guidelines saying that Ebola-related waste that has been incinerated is no longer infectious, Caldwell said that too many questions remain. “Even the CDC and our health-care workers seem uncertain as to the effectiveness of purported protocols in dealing with Ebola,” Caldwell said. “It is absurd to transport potentially hazardous Ebola waste across state lines.”

The order from Judge Bob Downing of Louisiana’s 19th District Court bars the Texas company that destroyed Duncan’s belongings from transporting the ashes into the state. It also prohibits the Louisiana facility slated to accept them from doing so. The order remains in place until Oct. 22, when Downing will hear arguments in the case.


 
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WOW. I have mentioning some of this stuff!!

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Re: Ebola Nurse Boyfriend Reportedly Admitted With Ebola Symptoms
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2014, 10:12:46 am »
Trigger wrote above:
[[ Its not a conspiracy. People are not washing their hands after touching soiled objects. I carry a hand sanitizer before and after touching objects. When you are in a hospital setting you have to be more hygienic. ]]

In "The Hot Zone", Richard Preston describes how workers in the Army's Ft. Detrick center who handled Ebola (biohazard level 4) would routinely rinse off their hands in pans of disinfectant.

And this was with THREE LAYERS of gloved protection:
- a surgical style gown, INSIDE...
- a full "Space Suit", and not only that....
- an extra layer of gloves OUTSIDE the space suit gloves.

And even then, they had to exercise extreme care inside the "hot" areas.

Compare this, vis-a-vis what the hospital workers treating Ebola-infected patients are using.

What's wrong?

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Re: Ebola Nurse Boyfriend Reportedly Admitted With Ebola Symptoms
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2014, 10:15:26 am »
alicewonders wrote above:
[[ In some ways, it would be better if they lost - then maybe Americans will be sick to freakin' death of these people by 2016. ]]

... and that's if they're lucky.

Especially in the Dallas area!

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« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2014, 10:22:30 am »
In some ways, it would be better if they lost - then maybe Americans will be sick to freakin' death of these people by 2016.

Unfortunately, there are many more liars on the left than on the right.

And it takes more time to disprove a lie than to tell it.

That's the tactic...


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Re: Ebola Nurse Boyfriend Reportedly Admitted With Ebola Symptoms
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2014, 10:53:11 am »
Trigger wrote above:
[[ Its not a conspiracy. People are not washing their hands after touching soiled objects. I carry a hand sanitizer before and after touching objects. When you are in a hospital setting you have to be more hygienic. ]]

In "The Hot Zone", Richard Preston describes how workers in the Army's Ft. Detrick center who handled Ebola (biohazard level 4) would routinely rinse off their hands in pans of disinfectant.

And this was with THREE LAYERS of gloved protection:
- a surgical style gown, INSIDE...
- a full "Space Suit", and not only that....
- an extra layer of gloves OUTSIDE the space suit gloves.

And even then, they had to exercise extreme care inside the "hot" areas.

Compare this, vis-a-vis what the hospital workers treating Ebola-infected patients are using.

What's wrong?

They were at biosafety level 2 not at biosafety 4
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I heard today that medical personnel working with ebola patients are to wear respirators instead of masks now.

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Strange given that none of the people living with Duncan have exhibited symptoms or been diagnosed...
Very strange. TOTAL silence about them. I wonder why? nothing even in the DM about them.


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Very strange. TOTAL silence about them. I wonder why? nothing even in the DM about them.

....would be a catastrophe if they're all bedridden with full-blown ebola. 

Maybe we'll hear something AFTER the election.  [/s]  :whistle:
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....would be a catastrophe if they're all bedridden with full-blown ebola. 

Maybe we'll hear something AFTER the election.  [/s]  :whistle:
You my be correct until after the elections. Crap we are going to have a huge amount of news stories then. Bowe results, isis takes bagdad, oh your health insurance is canceled for the rest who have it.


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I heard today that medical personnel working with ebola patients are to wear respirators instead of masks now.

The efficacy of that protocol depends on how fine the filters in the respirators are.  Fortunately, from what I've heard about it, the Ebola virus is very large (I heard 900 nm), for a virus, and respirators at the disease labs have very fine filters.  900 nm is almost 1 um, and there are plenty of air filters on the market capable of trapping 1 micron particles.
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The efficacy of that protocol depends on how fine the filters in the respirators are.  Fortunately, from what I've heard about it, the Ebola virus is very large (I heard 900 nm), for a virus, and respirators at the disease labs have very fine filters.  900 nm is almost 1 um, and there are plenty of air filters on the market capable of trapping 1 micron particles.

I'd be slightly happier if they were using the 50 micron electrostatic filters used in biowarfare respirators, but the additional weight would probably rule them out. The big advantage of those is any airborne pathogen actively sticks to the filters, making disposal a hell of a lot safer. Not going to happen though - it would hammer home the lie that Ebola is not transmitted in the air.
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I'd be slightly happier if they were using the 50 micron electrostatic filters used in biowarfare respirators, but the additional weight would probably rule them out. The big advantage of those is any airborne pathogen actively sticks to the filters, making disposal a hell of a lot safer. Not going to happen though - it would hammer home the lie that Ebola is not transmitted in the air.

Would it kill them to do the right thing and not bother telling anybody. so as not to cause a panic?

Geez, the CDC had only ONE job to do....
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