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The Denialists
« on: September 21, 2014, 08:37:11 pm »


The Denialists

Their propaganda about Islam grows more desperate.

By George Neumayr – 9.17.14





The more violence that comes out of the Islamic world, the more that the Left insists Islam is a “religion of peace.” The rise of ISIS has inspired Western leaders to redouble their attempts at reeducation. Appointing themselves Islamic authorities, they declare that ISIS is “not Islamic.”

These Western leaders are far more protective of Islam than their own historic religion. They are willing to subject Christianity to scrutiny for its supposedly reactionary teachings, even as they hold that the doctrines of Islam are flawless and beyond criticism.

At Yale this week, student groups that typically sponsor critics of Christianity denounced the appearance of a critic of Islam, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, on campus. Had Ali arrived to blame Ray Rice’s domestic violence on patriarchal American culture, she would have been welcomed with open arms. But, instead, she came bearing a message they didn’t want to hear: that Islamic culture mistreats women. As a victim of genital mutilation and forced marriage at the hands of Muslims in Somalia, Hirsi Ali is understandably baffled by the Left’s enthusiasm for Islam.

Were Hirsi Ali a victim of domestic violence in America, no liberal would dare lecture her on what she should and should not say. But Yale’s female chaplain, Sharon Kugler, felt no such hesitation, dismissing Ali’s views of Islam as hate speech. “We understand and affirm Yale’s commitment to free expression within an educational context,” she said. “We are deeply concerned, however, by Ms. Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s long record of disparaging, and arguably hateful, comments about Muslims and Islam.”

NFL commentator James Brown was applauded by the Left for his wild attempt to connect the Ray Rice incident to a sexist culture in the NFL: “When a guy says you throw a ball like a girl or you’re a sissy, it reflects an attitude that devalues women and attitudes that will eventually manifest in some fashion.” But when someone like Hirsi Ali makes a far more serious case for violence against women grounded in Islamic tradition, the Left throws a fit.

“Many well-meaning Dutch people have told me in all earnestness that nothing in Islamic culture incites abuse of women, that this is just a terrible misunderstanding. Men all over the world beat their women, I am constantly informed,” Hirsi Ali has written. “In reality, these Westerners are the ones who misunderstand Islam. The Quaran mandates these punishments. It gives a legitimate basis for abuse, so that the perpetrators feel no shame and are not hounded by their conscience of their community.”

Liberals at Yale find this speech “hateful,” but in almost any other context and aimed at any other religion they would find it refreshingly brave. The one religion for which liberals will endlessly apologize is the most illiberal one. They falsely accuse the Catholic Church of waging a “war on women” for not financing free contraceptives, then close their eyes to an actual war on women in the Islamic world. They praise Sandra Fluke and boycott Hirsi Ali.

This week John Kerry, talking about the need to defeat ISIS, said that we need to “put real Islam out there.” The politically correct West has been putting what it considers true Islam “out there” since 9/11 and it hasn’t done a bit of good. There are more jihadists today than on 9/11. If anything, it seems to have inspired the most devoted followers of Islam to protect and promote Islamic orthodoxy. Muslims across the world resent decadent Western leaders arrogating to themselves the authority to define what is and what is not authentically Islamic.

The Obama administration can’t even bring itself to acknowledge that militant Islam is a branch of Islam. That’s an impermissible thought in an administration that defines jihad as “self-improvement” and rules out religion (except the Christian one) from the start as a motivation for terrorism.

After years of failed propaganda about Islam as a religion of peace, why don’t Western leaders try the novel approach of truth telling? Why not just take jihadists at their word? As Hirsi Ali says, “Reality is not easy, but all this make-believe doesn't make it easier.”
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2014, 09:02:40 pm »
We will never succeed against the jihadis until we confront the ideology that drives their behavior.  Maintaining the myth that Islam as a religion is equivalent to the other religions of the world, and that the jihadis have merely perverted it, is going to get us all killed.  One never hears this claim from the so-called "moderate" Muslims.  In their religion, the jihadis are the most devout followers of the written word.

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« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2014, 03:00:29 am »
We will never succeed against the jihadis until we confront the ideology that drives their behavior.  Maintaining the myth that Islam as a religion is equivalent to the other religions of the world, and that the jihadis have merely perverted it, is going to get us all killed.  One never hears this claim from the so-called "moderate" Muslims.  In their religion, the jihadis are the most devout followers of the written word.

It seems to me, that taking on all 1.6 billion muslims at one time is foolhardy. 

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« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2014, 12:37:11 pm »
It seems to me, that taking on all 1.6 billion muslims at one time is foolhardy.

If we were fighting communists, would you fight them without confronting the ideology?  Should we have fought Hitler without also confronting his ideology?  It can be done in a way that does not offend everyone who follows the faith.  In fact, there should be a concerted effort that specifically enlists the help of Islamic moderates.  It's one thing when Obama says Islam is being perverted.  It's something else when it comes from the former Cat Stevens or Kareem Abdul Jabbar or Mohammed Ali or any other number of recognized global Muslim leaders.

This is an internal fight within Islam.  One we should not even be involved in, in my opinion.  We have been intentionally drawn into it.  If there truly is a modern, secular Islam (and the existence of places like Dubai suggests there is) then they ought to be lending more of a hand than they currently are.

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« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2014, 01:36:17 pm »
If we were fighting communists, would you fight them without confronting the ideology?  Should we have fought Hitler without also confronting his ideology?  It can be done in a way that does not offend everyone who follows the faith.  In fact, there should be a concerted effort that specifically enlists the help of Islamic moderates.  It's one thing when Obama says Islam is being perverted.  It's something else when it comes from the former Cat Stevens or Kareem Abdul Jabbar or Mohammed Ali or any other number of recognized global Muslim leaders.

This is an internal fight within Islam.  One we should not even be involved in, in my opinion.  We have been intentionally drawn into it.  If there truly is a modern, secular Islam (and the existence of places like Dubai suggests there is) then they ought to be lending more of a hand than they currently are.

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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2014, 03:05:47 am »
mass wrote above:
[[ We will never succeed against the jihadis until we confront the ideology that drives their behavior.  Maintaining the myth that Islam as a religion is equivalent to the other religions of the world, and that the jihadis have merely perverted it, is going to get us all killed.  One never hears this claim from the so-called "moderate" Muslims.  In their religion, the jihadis are the most devout followers of the written word. ]]

I've taken issue with some of your other opinions here now and then, but not with this.
You've said it plain.

What you have said above is what The West -- and the leaders of The West -- must comprehend before it can do what's necessary to defeat this evil.

BUT....
.... even with this understanding and knowledge, the most important thing is left unsaid:
Just what must be done to confront and vanquish this enemy?
What will it take?

Is no one willing to speak their mind?
(Oh, I see Once-Ler has jumped into the fray, and spoken the conventional wisdom)

So I will ask Once-Ler this:
Was it similarly "foolhardy" to take on the Japanese and Germans "at one time" in World War II?

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« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2014, 03:30:21 am »
The Middle East is a raging inferno right now and small brush-fires are being set all over the world.  The common denominator is radical Islam.  The radicals have become emboldened since Obama has been president - emboldened to a level I've never seen before.  These are scary times!

The thing that no one wants to say - about how to confront and destroy the ideology that is driving this - is that we have got to go medieval on their murdering asses!  It's not going to be pretty and the media will be having hissy fits over it - and frankly, I don't think the odds are very much in our favor that we will succeed.

 

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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2014, 03:33:22 am »
The Middle East is a raging inferno right now and small brush-fires are being set all over the world.  The common denominator is radical Islam.  The radicals have become emboldened since Obama has been president - emboldened to a level I've never seen before.  These are scary times!

 

Part of it is the abysmal foreign policy of Obama.

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« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2014, 04:10:20 am »
Part of it is the abysmal foreign policy of Obama.

That is a LOT of it!

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« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2014, 04:22:14 am »
That is a LOT of it!

Instead on concentrating on Asia he should left a small force in Iraq until things settled there.

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« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2014, 04:34:04 am »
Instead on concentrating on Asia he should left a small force in Iraq until things settled there.

My impression is that Obama is where he is specifically to stir things up in order to oust the old rulers and make way for the Islamic Caliphate. 

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« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2014, 05:11:15 am »
My impression is that Obama is where he is specifically to stir things up in order to oust the old rulers and make way for the Islamic Caliphate.

Assad is going nowhere. He has the support of Russia,China,North, Korea and especially Iran. He even has Qassim Suleimani: commander of Quds force, puppeteer of the Middle East. Obama is doing Assad a favor by bombing his enemies.
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« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2014, 09:36:37 am »

Just what must be done to confront and vanquish this enemy?
What will it take?


I will say this.  We should either go all in or not at all.  If our experience in the Middle East has taught us anything it is that half measures do not work.

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« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2014, 09:49:28 am »
I will say this.  We should either go all in or not at all.  If our experience in the Middle East has taught us anything it is that half measures do not work.

We have been in the Middle East in one form or another since 1991 and it has wasted billions of dollars and killed many of our citizens over the decades. I would say the three times it was really justified was our revenge over 9/11, the first Gulf War and supplying the Israelis with the latest arms and technology to protect themselves.
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2014, 02:48:44 pm »
Turn a big chunk of the desert into highly polished glass with a nuke and say the next one will make them part of the glass.

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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2014, 03:26:24 pm »
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World.  The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.  Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…  We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.  Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.  This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

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« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2014, 03:56:29 pm »
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World.  The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.  Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…  We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.  Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.  This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

That's chilling.  Are those your words Dan, or quoted from someone else? 

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« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2014, 04:10:22 pm »
That's chilling.  Are those your words Dan, or quoted from someone else?

That's from a 'fraud' that has been around since at least 1925.

Albert Pike and Three World Wars

Kinda like the "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion", another 'fraud' that has been around a long time and has turned also out to be quite accurate in it's predictions.

Nobody believes them except the tin-foil hat people... just don't read them or you might turn into one...   ^-^






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