Jesus Christ Did Not Believe In Tolerance And Peace, But The Punishment Of Evil Doers And Evil People

[wolfcreek]

http://shoebat.com/2014/06/14/jesus-christ-believe-tolerance-peace-punishment-evil-doers-evil-people/

esus Christ did not believe in tolerance and peace, but the punishment of evil doers and evil people.
I never accepted the modern perception of Christianity, as a sort of peace loving religion. Christ Himself said:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. –Matthew 10:34

Christ is “The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD mighty in battle.” (Psalm 24:8)

The Divine Law strikes, and the heretics scatter, like wolves without a head. Now is the hour of darkness, now is the hour of the savages and their leader the wicked one, “given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them” (Revelation 13:7)

But with the hour of persecution, comes the time for the shepherds who, worshiping the Eternal Shepherd, strikes the lion and the bear to rescue one sheep, and then slays the mighty hunter who defies “the armies of the living God” (1 Samuel 17:26).

The Two Swords, the Spiritual and the Temporal, lie in the hands of the Church, and yet they remaine unused, rusted and ignored by indifferent hearts. These are the Swords of the Church Militant, who rises, confronts, and destroys the bastions of darkness that advance against the Kingdom of Heaven.

When the Holy Sepulchre and holy places of pilgrimage were tainted and desecrated by the Muslim heathen, tell me, did Christians stay still, and say amongst themselves, “We must accept that Christian lands are now belong under the law of Islam. We as Christians should condemn what they are doing, but we must not wish harm on anyone or be militant, because we are under the New Covenant, and Christ never declared war on anyone”?

Never.


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Christianity in under siege and many of those who claim to be Christians ignore basic principles.

Is it time to fight back?

[sinkspur]

For every one of these militant-sounding quotes, there are counterbalancing quotes that indicate Jesus' kingdom was not of this world, that he advocated his followers turn the other cheek and, with his own life He showed that He would not strike back at his enemies. 

Christianity is not a violent, war-mongering faith.  Selective reading of Scripture is always a dangerous and self-serving thing to do.

[wolfcreek]

For every one of these militant-sounding quotes, there are counterbalancing quotes that indicate Jesus' kingdom was not of this world, that he advocated his followers turn the other cheek and, with his own life He showed that He would not strike back at his enemies. 

Christianity is not a violent, war-mongering faith.  Selective reading of Scripture is always a dangerous and self-serving thing to do.

Hey sink, how ya doing?

We, as a group, didn't learn and he's going to come back.

[Luis Gonzalez]

sigh...

[Luis Gonzalez]

Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the sons of God.

Now get out there and kick some evil doer ass!

[NavyCanDo]

Jesus did not enter the World to punish anyone.  For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. John 3:17

Does anyone not think that if his purpose here was to punish the wicked that he could of called a legion of angels to squash those crucifying him? Really, we don't have to look any further than Saul, who by his own wickedness many of the early Jesus followers were tormented, and even killed.  If Jesus came to punish the wicked, if that was his purpose, Saul would have been on his short list.

But I'm not arguing that he was a pacifist either. In the Book of Luke, Chapter 22 verse 36, Jesus told his disciples that: “He that has a purse, let him take it, and likewise his bag: and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”

Sell the shirt of your back if necessary…but make sure you are armed.  That’s the Gospel right there.

[DCPatriot]

Ezekiel 25:17.

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee."

...Jules Winnfield

[Luis Gonzalez]

...Jules Winnfield

Ezekiel?

I didn't know you were Jewish!

[Oceander]

If one buys this, then one is committed to accepting that the religious-based violence committed by militant muslims is also permissible.

[wolfcreek]

'Permissible' to whom? To God, Allah or whoever? Each religion does it their own way.

I think this speak more to Christ's return but, just as much did he not want us to harshly judge, love one another and to turn the other cheek, he warns us of the consequences of sin.

[PzLdr]

I am not a religious man. But one quote from the Bible, I remember. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" I used it once in a brief I wrote on a criminal appeal, in response to the defendant's plea for mercy. I prefaced the quote with a recap of the defendant's argument. I followed it with "His a*s belongs to Caesar". He got justice. 

[Oceander]

I am not a religious man. But one quote from the Bible, I remember. "Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" I used it once in a brief I wrote on a criminal appeal, in response to the defendant's plea for mercy. I prefaced the quote with a recap of the defendant's argument. I followed it with "His a*s belongs to Caesar". He got justice. 

sounds like an interesting brief

[ABX]

Actually, Christ taught redemption and grace for those who have fallen away, he himself was not the punisher but the redeemer. Punishment was a natural result of falling away, not something instigated by Christ.

To take it one step further, Christ made it a point to associate and be kind to those who fell away, often eating with them. He reached out to those who needed redemption.

The one place we do find his anger and punishment was not against what one would consider 'evil doers' but the church itself when he threw the money changers out of the temple.

It seems to me one of the main messages is to be a light to those who need it and keep your own house in order.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Jesus did not enter the World to punish anyone.  For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. John 3:17

Does anyone not think that if his purpose here was to punish the wicked that he could of called a legion of angels to squash those crucifying him? Really, we don't have to look any further than Saul, who by his own wickedness many of the early Jesus followers were tormented, and even killed.  If Jesus came to punish the wicked, if that was his purpose, Saul would have been on his short list.

But I'm not arguing that he was a pacifist either. In the Book of Luke, Chapter 22 verse 36, Jesus told his disciples that: “He that has a purse, let him take it, and likewise his bag: and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”

Sell the shirt of your back if necessary…but make sure you are armed.  That’s the Gospel right there.

BUCK NAKED and armed, if I'm reading that right.

[Luis Gonzalez]

So much of what's wrong with the world today is centered on this notion of righteous violence in the name of a God. I detest Hell and Brimstone religion and fear mongering in the name of God.

Jesus' message to us was rather simple: if you live a good and exemplary life and you follow me, you will achieve entrance to My Father's House. If you've erred and sincerely ask Me for forgiveness, I will grant you that forgiveness and you will achieve entrance to My Father's House.

In other words, not achieving entrance to Heaven isn't Jesus punishing us, but rather a failure in our parts to achieve something that He has made accessible to all.

This idea that Jesus believed in punishing evil doers is absurd and Neanderthal-like in nature. If all sin is evil, and sinners can be forgiven through Him, how does that translate into Jesus believing in the punishment of evil doers?

[NavyCanDo]

BUCK NAKED and armed, if I'm reading that right.

Not that I would want to see Gunny R. Lee Ermey in his birthday suit, but that's the image in my mind now, thanks to you.   

[Oceander]

So much of what's wrong with the world today is centered on this notion of righteous violence in the name of a God. I detest Hell and Brimstone religion and fear mongering in the name of God.

Jesus' message to us was rather simple: if you live a good and exemplary life and you follow me, you will achieve entrance to My Father's House. If you've erred and sincerely ask Me for forgiveness, I will grant you that forgiveness and you will achieve entrance to My Father's House.

In other words, not achieving entrance to Heaven isn't Jesus punishing us, but rather a failure in our parts to achieve something that He has made accessible to all.

This idea that Jesus believed in punishing evil doers is absurd and Neanderthal-like in nature. If all sin is evil, and sinners can be forgiven through Him, how does that translate into Jesus believing in the punishment of evil doers?

well put

[Dexter]

The word of God is supposed to be beyond the comprehension of any human, so why is it so hard to believe that maybe everything in the Bible should not be taken literally? I think it is entirely possible that some of it is wrong/misunderstood. There are so many contradictions throughout the Bible one starts to lose count.

[wolfcreek]

The word of God is supposed to be beyond the comprehension of any human, so why is it so hard to believe that maybe everything in the Bible should not be taken literally? I think it is entirely possible that some of it is wrong/misunderstood. There are so many contradictions throughout the Bible one starts to lose count.

This is why we must also rely on logic and natural reason.

Homosexuality is neither logical nor natural.

[Luis Gonzalez]

This is why we must also rely on logic and natural reason.

Homosexuality is neither logical nor natural.

To YOU, so you would never engage in it.

I don't think that vegetarianism, penile piercings or tattoos are logical or natural, but I'm not running around demanding that the government forbid people from being vegetarians or getting piercing and tattoos.

My fight begins when someone engages the force of government and tries to force me to become a vegetarian, get a Prince Albert, or a tattoo because that's what they think I should do.

My fight also begins when someone engages the force of government and tries to STOP me from being a vegetarian, getting a Prince Albert, or a tattoo of my mother's name across my chest because they disapprove of my doing those things.

[Oceander]

To YOU, so you would never engage in it.

I don't think that vegetarianism, penile piercings or tattoos are logical or natural, but I'm not running around demanding that the government forbid people from being vegetarians or getting piercing and tattoos.

My fight begins when someone engages the force of government and tries to force me to become a vegetarian, get a Prince Albert, or a tattoo because that's what they think I should do.

My fight also begins when someone engages the force of government and tries to STOP me from being a vegetarian, getting a Prince Albert, or a tattoo of my mother's name across my chest because they disapprove of my doing those things.

That's about all we need to know about you and your Prince Albert!   

[wolfcreek]

To YOU, so you would never engage in it.

I don't think that vegetarianism, penile piercings or tattoos are logical or natural, but I'm not running around demanding that the government forbid people from being vegetarians or getting piercing and tattoos.

My fight begins when someone engages the force of government and tries to force me to become a vegetarian, get a Prince Albert, or a tattoo because that's what they think I should do.

My fight also begins when someone engages the force of government and tries to STOP me from being a vegetarian, getting a Prince Albert, or a tattoo of my mother's name across my chest because they disapprove of my doing those things.

What you are NOT DOING is confronting sin in this world. Pffftt passing laws, you're not doing it on a personal level.  You accept sin because you don't have the gumption to challenge it.

[Luis Gonzalez]

What you are NOT DOING is confronting sin in this world. Pffftt passing laws, you're not doing it on a personal level.  You accept sin because you don't have the gumption to challenge it.

I don't need to confront the sins of this world. If I did, I'd be too damned busy to actually have a life.

What you are doing is selectively confronting sins, and accepting a greater number of sins because those sins are committed by that part of the population that you are a part of. You'd rather "confront" the sins of a minority because they are easier to control.

LONG before you get to that minority, you should be spending most of your time and energy on that percentage of heterosexuals who are A) cohabitating (3 out of 4 women in their 30's have lived, or are living with a man without the benefit of marriage), B) having children out of wedlock (almost 50% of all births in the US are now happening out of wedlock), and C) divorcing at an increasing rate again (there is one divorce for every two marriages performed in the US today... for those people who bother getting married.

The minority is easier to control than the majority, but it's the majority who has marriage and families in crisis, not the minority.

So, if there's a lack of gumption on anyone's part about facing and confronting sin, it's in the part of those who point at the speck in their brother's eye while ignoring the beam in their own eye.

Confronting a selected sin while ignoring the greater sin is just a way to feel like you're doing God's work, while actually doing nothing.

[wolfcreek]

You don't know what I'm confronting. You don't have a clue.

You're making excuses for sin and sinners while disparaging the religion you yourself claim.

You make the same points as Leftist do on other sites. I'm calling out your disingenuousness.

[sinkspur]

The only sinners Jesus ever seriously confronted were the self-righteous Pharisees of his own Jewish belief.  And he confronted them precisely because they made it their business to condemn and denounce their fellow Jews who were not keeping the 613 Jewish laws.

Jesus was about doing good, not condemning sinners. 

[Luis Gonzalez]

You don't know what I'm confronting. You don't have a clue.

You're making excuses for sin and sinners while disparaging the religion you yourself claim.

You make the same points as Leftist do on other sites. I'm calling out your disingenuousness.

BINGO!

The money quote.

Thank you so much.

Sin as a function of political ideology.

You have just validated every single thing that I have argued is wrong with conservatism today.

Conservatism has been solipzised by religionists to a degree that one can't be a conservative lest one adheres to a predetermined, narrow set of religious beliefs.

THANK YOU!

[Luis Gonzalez]

You don't know what I'm confronting. You don't have a clue.

You're making excuses for sin and sinners while disparaging the religion you yourself claim.

You make the same points as Leftist do on other sites. I'm calling out your disingenuousness.

P.S. I'm not disparaging my religion. I'm disparaging the way some religionists practice it.

[Luis Gonzalez]

The only sinners Jesus ever seriously confronted were the self-righteous Pharisees of his own Jewish belief.  And he confronted them precisely because they made it their business to condemn and denounce their fellow Jews who were not keeping the 613 Jewish laws.

Jesus was about doing good, not condemning sinners.

Yep.

[wolfcreek]

The only sinners Jesus ever seriously confronted were the self-righteous Pharisees of his own Jewish belief.  And he confronted them precisely because they made it their business to condemn and denounce their fellow Jews who were not keeping the 613 Jewish laws.

Jesus was about doing good, not condemning sinners.

If you have faith in him returning, you will see a far different Jesus

[sinkspur]

If you have faith in him returning, you will see a far different Jesus

If you carried Jesus in your heart, you wouldn't worry about his returning. 

[Luis Gonzalez]

If you carried Jesus in your heart, you wouldn't worry about his returning.

Amazingly simple, isn' t it?

[NavyCanDo]

What you are NOT DOING is confronting sin in this world. Pffftt passing laws, you're not doing it on a personal level.  You accept sin because you don't have the gumption to challenge it.

The Pharisees sure had the  "gumption" to challenge sin. But what good did it do?     Before the Romans introduced Crucifixion the Pharisees dished out hundreds of thousands of death sentences for breaking Jewish law.    And the four most common type of capital punishment were:

Sekila - stoning. Being thrown off a tall building and if still alive being crushed by heavy rocks. 
Serefah - burning  This was done by melting lead, and pouring it down the throat of the condemned person.
Hereg - decapitation
Chenek - strangulation   A rope was wound around the condemned person's neck, and the executioners (the witnesses) pulled from either side to strangle the condemned person.

Israel (and the Gentiles) needed a Savior not another punisher.    If you want an example of what our country would be like with  strict laws that shows no mercy for anyone who breaks the law, look no further than any country under Sharia law.

[Luis Gonzalez]

The Pharisees sure had the  "gumption" to challenge sin. But what good did it do?     Before the Romans introduced Crucifixion the Pharisees dished out hundreds of thousands of death sentences for breaking Jewish law.    And the four most common type of capital punishment were:

Sekila - stoning. Being thrown off a tall building and if still alive being crushed by heavy rocks. 
Serefah - burning  This was done by melting lead, and pouring it down the throat of the condemned person.
Hereg - decapitation
Chenek - strangulation   A rope was wound around the condemned person's neck, and the executioners (the witnesses) pulled from either side to strangle the condemned person.

Israel (and the Gentiles) needed a Savior not another punisher.    If you want an example of what our country would be like with  strict laws that shows no mercy for anyone who breaks the law, look no further than any country under Sharia law.

That second one sounds particularly nasty.

[Luis Gonzalez]

The Pharisees sure had the  "gumption" to challenge sin. But what good did it do?     Before the Romans introduced Crucifixion the Pharisees dished out hundreds of thousands of death sentences for breaking Jewish law.    And the four most common type of capital punishment were:

Sekila - stoning. Being thrown off a tall building and if still alive being crushed by heavy rocks. 
Serefah - burning  This was done by melting lead, and pouring it down the throat of the condemned person.
Hereg - decapitation
Chenek - strangulation   A rope was wound around the condemned person's neck, and the executioners (the witnesses) pulled from either side to strangle the condemned person.

Israel (and the Gentiles) needed a Savior not another punisher.    If you want an example of what our country would be like with  strict laws that shows no mercy for anyone who breaks the law, look no further than any country under Sharia law.

Romans 3:23 says, “For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” According to this verse, sin is anything (words, thoughts, actions, and motivations) that falls short of God’s glory and perfection. All of us sin. Romans 3:23 also teaches that we must know the character of God before we can accurately define sin, because His glory is the standard by which we measure it (Psalm 119:160; John 17:17). Without a perfect standard, there is no way to determine whether something is imperfect. Without the absolute standard of God’s glory, every word or action would be judged by the faulty, shifting standard of imperfect people. Every rule, law, and moral tenet would become a matter of opinion. And man’s opinion is as varied and changeable as the weather.

http://www.gotquestions.org/did-God-create-sin.html#ixzz35USaUCEE

My core set of beliefs tell me not judge lest I wish to be judged in kind. They tell me not to cast stones lest I am free of sin and that I should remove the beam from my eye before I point to the spec in my brother's eye.

No one on this Earth can live up to the standards set in Romans.

I am merely a human and incapable of understanding the true character of  God, so I can't presume that I can define sin.

I am also imperfect, so I let those who think themselves perfect in His eyes do the defining, sincce they believe they understand the true character of God.

[wolfcreek]

If you carried Jesus in your heart, you wouldn't worry about his returning.

I do but, we are called to address sin in the world not just ignore it because it's fashionable.

"Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning."
Tim. 5:20

[PzLdr]

My theology's a lot simpler. It's encapsulated in any Coyote and Roadrunner cartoon. The Coyote is Everyman. The Roadrunner is Life. And God is the Acme Corporation, that gives us the tools to deal with Life, and moves on to other jobs.

[Luis Gonzalez]

My theology's a lot simpler. It's encapsulated in any Coyote and Roadrunner cartoon. The Coyote is Everyman. The Roadrunner is Life. And God is the Acme Corporation, that gives us the tools to deal with Life, and moves on to other jobs.

That is unique, and makes a weird sort of sense.

[Luis Gonzalez]

I do but, we are called to address sin in the world not just ignore it because it's fashionable.

"Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning."
Tim. 5:20

And you should.

The line is drawn at that that point where religion and civil law meet.

[NavyCanDo]

I do but, we are called to address sin in the world not just ignore it because it's fashionable.

"Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning."
Tim. 5:20

Timothy was writing to the 1st century churches in major cities like Philippi, Thessalonica, Ephesus, Galatia, Colossaae, Corinth, and Rome, as did Paul, Peter and John. These churches within their own walls were struggling with temptation, sin, bitterness and anger and were in danger from collapsing from within. These ancient letters were worded strongly for the purpose of giving them a slap upside the head. Why would anyone outside the church be attracted to listen to the Gospel when they see the same sins in the church as they saw on the outside?  The other extreme is why would anyone be attracted to listen to the Gospel if they felt condemnation from those inside the walls?
Know any churches like that?  Westboro maybe?

In my town there is a small church that has a reader board that often displays a provocative message, like If you don't follow Jesus, Burn in Hell. Tell me, why would you a sinner stop there? Explains why its a small church.  My much larger church twice each year holds a free oil change for single moms in the community, offering fun entertainment for the kids and pampering for the moms as they wait for their car. This along with many other community services for our community. Without condemnation, without prejudice - being Jesus to the world. Which church would you rather visit, the one judging all the sinners around them, or the one holding their hand out in friendship?

[wolfcreek]

Timothy was writing to the 1st century churches in major cities like Philippi, Thessalonica, Ephesus, Galatia, Colossaae, Corinth, and Rome, as did Paul, Peter and John. These churches within their own walls were struggling with temptation, sin, bitterness and anger and were in danger from collapsing from within. These ancient letters were worded strongly for the purpose of giving them a slap upside the head. Why would anyone outside the church be attracted to listen to the Gospel when they see the same sins in the church as they saw on the outside?  The other extreme is why would anyone be attracted to listen to the Gospel if they felt condemnation from those inside the walls?
Know any churches like that?  Westboro maybe?

In my town there is a small church that has a reader board that often displays a provocative message, like If you don't follow Jesus, Burn in Hell. Tell me, why would you a sinner stop there? Explains why its a small church.  My much larger church twice each year holds a free oil change for single moms in the community, offering fun entertainment for the kids and pampering for the moms as they wait for their car. This along with many other community services for our community. Without condemnation, without prejudice - being Jesus to the world. Which church would you rather visit, the one judging all the sinners around them, or the one holding their hand out in friendship?

I  don't belong to any church but, I have attended all sorts. Too many feel-good, no real structure allowing people to make up their own rules that suit the newest fad and cultural sensation.

We have strayed from God's law and our society is suffering because of it.

I as many of.you have accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior but, it doesn't end there. There is much work to do before his return

[sinkspur]

I do but, we are called to address sin in the world not just ignore it because it's fashionable.

"Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning."
Tim. 5:20

Well, you just go right ahead and be the sin police.  If you know Scripture, you know that Timothy was speaking about sin in the Christian community, not the sin of anybody and everybody.

We are not called to avoid sin.  We are called to do good.  Good crowds out sin, every time.

[Luis Gonzalez]

In my town there is a small church that has a reader board that often displays a provocative message, like If you don't follow Jesus, Burn in Hell. Tell me, why would you a sinner stop there? Explains why its a small church.  My much larger church twice each year holds a free oil change for single moms in the community, offering fun entertainment for the kids and pampering for the moms as they wait for their car. This along with many other community services for our community. Without condemnation, without prejudice - being Jesus to the world. Which church would you rather visit, the one judging all the sinners around them, or the one holding their hand out in friendship?

I've never found anything in the New Testament where Jesus spoke about sinners going to Hell.

I can think of no greater sin that a man can commit than murdering the Son of God, yet Jesus asked that those who did exactly that  be forgiven.

Jesus is not about punishment.

[wolfcreek]

Well, you just go right ahead and be the sin police.  If you know Scripture, you know that Timothy was speaking about sin in the Christian community, not the sin of anybody and everybody.

We are not called to avoid sin.  We are called to do good.  Good crowds out sin, every time.

I too I'm calling out members of the church and others who chose to glorify sinful acts.
 
Just as how our education system has blurred or attempted to change history in the minds of our youth, so have many modern churches done the same with the definition of what is sin. Someone needs to remind them while there's still time.

[wolfcreek]

I've never found anything in the New Testament where Jesus spoke about sinners going to Hell.

I can think of no greater sin that a man can commit than murdering the Son of God, yet Jesus asked that those who did exactly that  be forgiven.

Jesus is not about punishment.

Try some of these. (and yes I realize these prophecies are for those who are not saved but, I know plenty who aren't)


http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Signs-of-the-End-Times/

[Luis Gonzalez]

I too I'm calling out members of the church and others who chose to glorify sinful acts.
 
Just as how our education system has blurred or attempted to change history in the minds of our youth, so have many modern churches done the same with the definition of what is sin. Someone needs to remind them while there's still time.

No one is "glorifying sinful acts". Don't misinterpret what I am doing in order to judge my actions.

I do not agree with your interpretation of what it means to be a Christian. My Christianity is based on love and forgiveness of sins, not condemnation and confrontation.

I you think being a Christian is about confronting, condemning, and shaming people into living a righteous life, you go right ahead, but you don't rule my life, you are not a mediator between me and my God, and you certainly fall too far from His perfection to stand in judgement of anyone.

You want to believe that Jesus was about punishment?

You go right ahead. 

[Luis Gonzalez]

Try some of these. (and yes I realize these prophecies are for those who are not saved but, I know plenty who aren't)


http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Signs-of-the-End-Times/

Jesus said nothing about people going to Hell in they didn't follow him.

[wolfcreek]

Jesus said nothing about people going to Hell in they didn't follow him.

He warned people about the wages of sin and told them they would be judged. (by God)

I'm not judging the person, only his or her sin.

http://www.catholicbible101.com/judgenot.htm

[Dexter]

He warned people about the wages of sin and told them they would be judged. (by God)

I'm not judging the person, only his or her sin.

http://www.catholicbible101.com/judgenot.htm

Judging the sins of a person is judging the person. You cannot judge the actions of another person and try to say you're not actually judging that person, just their actions. That's kind of ridiculous. How about we all do the best we can to live good lives and allow God to do the judging after we are all dead?

[wolfcreek]

Judging the sins of a person is judging the person. You cannot judge the actions of another person and try to say you're not actually judging that person, just their actions. That's kind of ridiculous. How about we all do the best we can to live good lives and allow God to do the judging after we are all dead?

Read the link.

After death would be too late for some people....wouldn't it?

[Dexter]

After death would be too late for some people....wouldn't it?

Perhaps, but it is not your duty to decide what does or does not save/condemn people. Leave it to God.