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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-ask-congress-e15-ethanol-blend-fuel-permanent/

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The Trump administration intends to ask Congress to allow E15, an ethanol-gas blend, to be sold at the pumps year-round, a U.S. official familiar with the matter told CBS News.

The 15% ethanol blend is usually only available part of the year under a waiver from the Environmental Protection Agency as temperatures rise to help ease high gas prices. The administration plans to make the request when it submits a supplemental funding request to lawmakers, the official said.

Several requests on budget matters and non-budgetary matters were scheduled to be sent to the Hill on Wednesday.

A lower 10% ethanol blend is sold all year, but the 15% blend is subject to waivers because gas with the higher ethanol content evaporates more quickly in hot weather and contributes to higher levels of air pollution or smog. For this reason, federal rules normally require switching back to more costly blends.

The move to make E15 available year-round represents the White House's latest effort to tame gas prices that have risen because of the war with Iran. President Trump repeatedly said on the campaign trail that he supported making E15 available year-round.

It was unclear if the proposal would have the votes to pass.

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Doesn't sound very Conservative to me, burning part of our food supply for fuel.
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Oh hell no.  C'mon Trumpy, focus on 1st world problems.
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Trump got caught with egg on his face yesterday with his silly accusation of oil price fixing.

Hate to tell him, but the oil industry  is maybe the most pre-legislated monitored commodity on earth against that tactic.  It's like he must have sleeping throughout the '70's and '80's.  Some companies including mine even had, self reporting parameters as part of negotiated settlement, long ago.

With that...   next best thing?  Add a 10+% surcharge on consumers for any and all corn derived products.  And this isn't my work bias....   We own 3 farms too, so I see my POV, is pretty neutral.

DJT...  the past month has been a travesty, and you have not managed our nation's assets in a conservative manner.  We didn't ask for this.
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DJT...  the past month has been a travesty, and you have not managed our nation's assets in a conservative manner.  We didn't ask for this.

It is completely unsurprising that Trump would do something non-conservative.  He was never a conservative.  He is right wing only because "right wing" has no coherent meaning beyond opposed to the Left.  He deserved support from conservatives only as the least bad available option in his three runs for the Presidency come the general election.

I think "Left" has a coherent meaning, though what exactly fits it shifts over time:  the Left at all times since it got that name from the seating arrangement in the French National Assembly has been the political tendency that stakes it claim to power on the plea that it will vindicate the interests of the downtrodden.  I thought to include a statist tendency in that definition, but the original American Left was anarcho-syndicalist and had as deep a suspicion of state power as libertarian-leaning fusionist conservatives have. (I want them back, frankly: we could work with them, unlike the current Democrats.)

At first the downtrodden were all non-noblemen, including the bourgeoisie, peasants and wage workers, later when Marx's ideas became the dominant strain of thought on the Left, they were "the workers of the world", now, at least in Western Europe and the Anglosphere, the "downtrodden" are women, folks from (or whose ancestors hail from) Africa, Latin America, the Middle East (Jews excluded), Muslims, Aboriginal Australians and 2SLGBTQI+ people (to use the hyper-inclusive Canadian version of the acronym) (the "workers of the world" be damned, most of them in America are deplorable bitter clingers who voted for Trump, and "white van men" who voted for Brexit in the UK).
And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.

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The ethanol carbon buildup around the valves takes its toll...it's not a cheap fix.
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It is completely unsurprising that Trump would do something non-conservative.  He was never a conservative. 

I am familiar with his political history, but I have to respectfully disagree, as far as how he came across on plank, and campaign promises.  I saw him 90/10 on that front, plus the fact that our even so called conservative legislators, have RINO'ed out on us, with perpetual back stabblings.  Do you think any GOP legislator would have enacted DOGE?  And....  the first who is recognizing that the gubmit was so damned overblloated, that something had to be done about.  Not even Reagan was that diligent  in tackling that problem. 
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I am familiar with his political history, but I have to respectfully disagree, as far as how he came across on plank, and campaign promises.  I saw him 90/10 on that front, plus the fact that our even so called conservative legislators, have RINO'ed out on us, with perpetual back stabblings.

I respectfully disagree.  Trump has actively campaigned against Conservatives again and again.  We had a solid Conservative running for the Senate here in Alabama.  Trump worked to get him defeated.  Bob Good, one of the most Conservative Reps we have had in the last 30 years no longer has a job in Congress because of Trump.


Do you think any GOP legislator would have enacted DOGE?

Conservatives would have.


And....  the first who is recognizing that the gubmit was so damned overblloated, that something had to be done about.

Uh, no.  That wasn't Trump.  It has been Conservatives all along who have pointed this out.  As for DOGE, that was just smoke and mirrors for Trump.  After the DOGE team produced $2 trillion in savings that the government could cut, he drove them all off and continued spending at those same levels.  Conservatives don't continually ask for more spending like Trump does.  Conservatives don't sign off on $2 trillion deficits year after year.
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I respectfully disagree.  Trump has actively campaigned against Conservatives again and again.  We had a solid Conservative running for the Senate here in Alabama.  Trump worked to get him defeated.  Bob Good, one of the most Conservative Reps we have had in the last 30 years no longer has a job in Congress because of Trump.


Conservatives would have.


Uh, no.  That wasn't Trump.  It has been Conservatives all along who have pointed this out.  As for DOGE, that was just smoke and mirrors for Trump.  After the DOGE team produced $2 trillion in savings that the government could cut, he drove them all off and continued spending at those same levels.  Conservatives don't continually ask for more spending like Trump does.  Conservatives don't sign off on $2 trillion deficits year after year.

and still..... even with 5 GOP POTUS' and GOP controlling the house and senate both 24 of the past 48 years...........  Here we are

I understand rhetoric versus substance, and the Uniparty is the main reason we are $38T in debt.
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No, no, no! There are still plenty of vehicles on the road that can't run E15, and I believe that is the sole reason for making this request. People will have to buy newer vehicles that are controlled by the government. I cannot, WILL NOT, give up my old car.

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No, no, no! There are still plenty of vehicles on the road that can't run E15, and I believe that is the sole reason for making this request. People will have to buy newer vehicles that are controlled by the government. I cannot, WILL NOT, give up my old car.

Same here.  But for a stranger reason.  I have an old Nissan Titan truck that can run on pure ethanol.  Was kind of my insurance policy in case the enviro-whackos were susccessful in destroying the oil industry . 

E-15?  Make sure you never put any of that shit in your lawn equipment,. 
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Same here.  But for a stranger reason.  I have an old Nissan Titan truck that can run on pure ethanol.  Was kind of my insurance policy in case the enviro-whackos were susccessful in destroying the oil industry . 

E-15?  Make sure you never put any of that shit in your lawn equipment,.
What is really strange is an old oil man like you purchasing a truck that runs on corn instead of oil.

Guess you bought it before EVs were popular.

I never put any ethanol in any engine I own except vehicles.  That includes 3 UTVs, 2 lawn tractors, 2 chain saws, 1 mower, 2 trimmers and blower. Sure it costs upwards of +$1/gal, but the gallons I have to buy are relatively small.
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I am familiar with his political history, but I have to respectfully disagree, as far as how he came across on plank, and campaign promises.  I saw him 90/10 on that front, plus the fact that our even so called conservative legislators, have RINO'ed out on us, with perpetual back stabblings.  Do you think any GOP legislator would have enacted DOGE?  And....  the first who is recognizing that the gubmit was so damned overblloated, that something had to be done about.  Not even Reagan was that diligent  in tackling that problem.

You beat me to it @catfish1957 I agree with you 100%. Trump isn't the problem. Our feckless congress is.
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What is really strange is an old oil man like you purchasing a truck that runs on corn instead of oil.

Guess you bought it before EVs were popular.

I never put any ethanol in any engine I own except vehicles.  That includes 3 UTVs, 2 lawn tractors, 2 chain saws, 1 mower, 2 trimmers and blower. Sure it costs upwards of +$1/gal, but the gallons I have to buy are relatively small.

Just a couple of days ago I FINALLY found a service station in this town that sells ethanol free gasoline for $5.07 per gallon. I bought two gallons on the spot.
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Trump isn't the problem. Our feckless congress is.

They're both the problem.  Where is Bob Good when you need him?
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Just a couple of days ago I FINALLY found a service station in this town that sells ethanol free gasoline for $5.07 per gallon. I bought two gallons on the spot.

I get Ethanol-free at Buc-ees.
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They're both the problem.  Where is Bob Good when you need him?

At age 77 I can truthfully say that Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who has even remotely tried to bring the bring the federal government to heal. I sure wish he had some help!

I say that knowing that he has screwed the pouch royally of late.
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I get Ethanol-free at Buc-ees.

No Buc-ees near me. Abot 40 miles to the closest.
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At age 77 I can truthfully say that Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who has even remotely tried to bring the bring the federal government to heal.

He isn't trying very hard.  It was exciting to see him bring in Musk.  It was depressing to see him reject every recommendation Musk made.

Annual deficits under Biden - $2 trillion

Annual deficits under Trump - $2 trillion
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Just a couple of days ago I FINALLY found a service station in this town that sells ethanol free gasoline for $5.07 per gallon. I bought two gallons on the spot.

Our local Murphy USA has a bank of pumps that sell 89 and 93 octane ethanol free gas.  Every now and then I drop about a half tank of 93 in just for the heck of it.  They (the internet engineers) say it's a waste of money if you only need 87 to run your car.  But I did notice a gas mileage improvement. 
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The ethanol carbon buildup around the valves takes its toll...it's not a cheap fix.

Burn Conoco Premium - But you'll still have carbon buildup around your valves... That will be caused more by direct injection in modern engines wrt intake valves, and poorly operating catalytic converters wrt to the exhaust valves... Neither of which were present in old skool, simple systems.

Sorry... went machinist-geek on you for a minute there...  :shrug:

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I have a gas station around the corner that sells gas without ethanol.  I pay a bit more for it, but it's better for my truck and mower, etc.  Trump is pandering to the midwest farmers for some reason.

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Our local Murphy USA has a bank of pumps that sell 89 and 93 octane ethanol free gas.  Every now and then I drop about a half tank of 93 in just for the heck of it.  They (the internet engineers) say it's a waste of money if you only need 87 to run your car.  But I did notice a gas mileage improvement.

I buy nothing but non-ethanol premium, all the time... even for lawn mower and chainsaw gas. You pay more, but you'll go farther, so it is kinda a wash... Till the ethanol guy has to start buying motors...

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No, no, no! There are still plenty of vehicles on the road that can't run E15, and I believe that is the sole reason for making this request. People will have to buy newer vehicles that are controlled by the government. I cannot, WILL NOT, give up my old car.

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Same here.  But for a stranger reason.  I have an old Nissan Titan truck that can run on pure ethanol.  Was kind of my insurance policy in case the enviro-whackos were susccessful in destroying the oil industry . 

E-15?  Make sure you never put any of that shit in your lawn equipment,.

Lawn equipment of all kinds, leaf blowers, lawn mowers, trimmers, etc, cannot burn ethanol high fuels, and that's another aspect of this that makes no sense. It seems they are purposely trying to destroy it all.

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I buy nothing but non-ethanol premium, all the time... even for lawn mower and chainsaw gas. You pay more, but you'll go farther, so it is kinda a wash... Till the ethanol guy has to start buying motors...

My 3 y/o honda mower started running rough this season.  I gave it a tune up.  Changed the plug evn though it looked great. Air filter, it needed it.  Flushed out the carb.  Still ran like crap.  So I drained the fresh gas out and dumped in some ethanol free stuff and after two mows it was running like new again.

So, Like you said don't run nuthing with corn in those mower tanks!
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I'm gonna have to see if I can find a gas station that sells ethanol free gasoline.

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It’s a choice, isn’t it?

Pump A or Pump B

I don’t know that I’ve ever pumped gas at a station that didn’t offer “regular” regular, with the ethanol shit as a choice being there for mouth breathers, owners of Subarus, and lesbians (Grammarly says that’s redundant).
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Same here.  But for a stranger reason.  I have an old Nissan Titan truck that can run on pure ethanol.  Was kind of my insurance policy in case the enviro-whackos were susccessful in destroying the oil industry . 

E-15?  Make sure you never put any of that shit in your lawn equipment,.

It might run on pure alcohol, but it won't run far. Any clapped out Chevy can burn moonshine... all it needs is brass valve guides instead of knurled cast iron or steel guides.

But none of them will go very far. That's the problem. You can see ethanol burning motors by wore-out guides and cross-hatch on the cylinders. If a motor leaves early, and you see that, blame burning ethanol,or poor oil maintenance... Though poor oil maintenance shows more in sludge, especially in the wiper rings in the pistons... So it is pretty easy to tell the difference.

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I have a gas station around the corner that sells gas without ethanol.  I pay a bit more for it, but it's better for my truck and mower, etc.  Trump is pandering to the midwest farmers for some reason.

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So, Like you said don't run nuthing with corn in those mower tanks!

That's a bare fact - In ANY engine, btw.  :beer:

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Commercial ethanol is 4% water AFTER distillation.  Using E-15 in your car is the same as filling a 12-gal tank with ethanol-free gasoline, and then pouring a cup of water on top of it into your tank.
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I'm gonna have to see if I can find a gas station that sells ethanol free gasoline.

Around here (Pacific NW), premium from BP/Conoco/Sinclair/Shell all comes on the same truck, and is Conoco ethanol free.

Maybe different where you are... But it's been all I use, about all my life.

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Commercial ethanol is 4% water AFTER distillation.  Using E-15 in your car is the same as filling a 12-gal tank with ethanol-free gasoline, and then pouring a cup of water on top of it into your tank.

Alcohol and water are azeotropic. Cannot be separated by distillation once combined.
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Never, EVER, go out on a double date with people with these net handles.

They will show up in a white panel van.  :nono:

Sage advice!
You don’t become cooler with age but you do care progressively less about being cool, which is the only true way to actually be cool.

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Commercial ethanol is 4% water AFTER distillation.  Using E-15 in your car is the same as filling a 12-gal tank with ethanol-free gasoline, and then pouring a cup of water on top of it into your tank.

That's on purpose - It would seize up without the steam... And will, sooner or not-so-later anyway.

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Alcohol and water are azeotropic. Cannot be separated by distillation once combined.

Correct.  The boiling point of 96% ethanol - 4% water is lower than the boiling point of 100% ethanol.

If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.     -Dwight Eisenhower-

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Jim Jones was a socialist Democrat.

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Nope.

Ethanol mandate is inflationary.  It increases the cost of gasoline.

Trump is pandering to Big Corn and losing his $h!t over fuel prices.

I don't think the $h!t-for-brains considered that Iran might leverage the Strait of Hormuz to hold the world economy hostage.

Do it the old fashioned way ... fund an insurgency inside Iran to be fought by Iranians ... the CIA can pay for it by smuggling opium out of Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan ... Air America ... Opium for Guns
"Political correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it’s entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." - Alan Simpson, Frontline Video Interview