Author Topic: President Trump to Attend SCOTUS Oral Arguments on Birthright Citizenship  (Read 2635 times)

berdie and 10 Guests are viewing this topic.

Online mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 416,829
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

"Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience"
Mark Twain


“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34


Smokin Joe: Stupid people vote. If you have enough of them, you don’t need to steal an election

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 66,338
  • Gender: Male
  • 🌵🌵🌵
Wow. 

I'll be patient as well, but I am pretty positive that you'll be all giddy and in everyone's face with an "I told you so" should the justices rule against Trump's e.o.

That is pretty low and pathetic.  Wanting to see the demise of this country is beyond deplorable and despicable.

Therefore, I don't care to read anymore of your digs towards others on this board (including myself) with your large laughing or face palm emojis, nor anymore of your shredded opinions. I'm all done with this thread.

The end.  :seeya:

@libertybele

The main reason I have nobody on my Ignore List is because I'm an Admin and must be able to see all the posts, even if they piss me off by personally attacking other members.  You are under no obligation to follow my example!   happy77
« Last Edit: April 02, 2026, 04:43:09 pm by Cyber Liberty »
I don’t owe tolerance to people who disagree with my existence.
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:

Offline Fishrrman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 16,585
  • Gender: Male
  • Dumbest member of the forum
I wish I could be more optimistic about this, but...

The right is gonna lose this one.

The U.S. Supreme Court is not going to overturn a public policy that has been in effect since around 1869 and has affected millions on the basis of conflicting interpretations of a word or two. Not gonna happen.

I'll eat crow in front of everyone in the forum if it "goes the right way".
I'll be jumping for joy (not that I can be jumping much at all any more).

Online libertybele

  • Cat Mod
  • *****
  • Posts: 68,808
  • Gender: Female
@libertybele

The main reason I have nobody on my Ignore List is because I'm an Admin and must be able to see all the posts, even if they piss me off by personally attacking other members.  You are under no obligation to follow my example!   happy77

I've already done so.  :beer:
Live in  harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

Romans 12:16-18

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51,069
Wow. 

I'll be patient as well, but I am pretty positive that you'll be all giddy and in everyone's face with an "I told you so" should the justices rule against Trump's e.o.

That is pretty low and pathetic.  Wanting to see the demise of this country is beyond deplorable and despicable.

Therefore, I don't care to read anymore of your digs towards others on this board (including myself) with your large laughing or face palm emojis, nor anymore of your shredded opinions. I'm all done with this thread.

The end.  :seeya:

You can lead a horse to water, …..
Nie mój cyrk, nie moje małpy

Socialism is a crime against humanity

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 66,338
  • Gender: Male
  • 🌵🌵🌵
You can lead a horse to water, …..

...but you can't force it to drink poison. 
I don’t owe tolerance to people who disagree with my existence.
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51,069
...but you can't force it to drink poison. 


Applying the law as written is not poison.  It may have consequences you do not personally like, and it may have been a mistake in hindsight to write it the way it’s written, but it says what it says. 

Twisting words out of all meaning to accomplish a chosen political policy is what progressives do.  It’s fascinating seeing how many members here are willing to let their inner progressive show.

I always thought that fidelity to the rule of law was a conservative value, even if it meant taking your lumps.  Guess I was wrong.
:bigsilly:

Nie mój cyrk, nie moje małpy

Socialism is a crime against humanity

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 66,338
  • Gender: Male
  • 🌵🌵🌵

Applying the law as written is not poison.  It may have consequences you do not personally like, and it may have been a mistake in hindsight to write it the way it’s written, but it says what it says. 
 
Twisting words out of all meaning to accomplish a chosen political policy is what progressives do.  It’s fascinating seeing how many members here are willing to let their inner progressive show.

I always thought that fidelity to the rule of law was a conservative value, even if it meant taking your lumps.  Guess I was wrong.
:bigsilly:

Correction:  The law as you interpret as it's written.  You, sir, have no monopoly on that!  Cut our Briefers some slack...You know how I feel about personal attacks on fellow Members.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2026, 05:54:08 pm by Cyber Liberty »
I don’t owe tolerance to people who disagree with my existence.
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:

Offline IsailedawayfromFR

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,603
I wish I could be more optimistic about this, but...

The right is gonna lose this one.

The U.S. Supreme Court is not going to overturn a public policy that has been in effect since around 1869 and has affected millions on the basis of conflicting interpretations of a word or two. Not gonna happen.

I'll eat crow in front of everyone in the forum if it "goes the right way".
I'll be jumping for joy (not that I can be jumping much at all any more).
Please let us all know what you mean by "public policy" and what bearing that has on our Constitution.

You might be saying that the wording of our Constitution is superseded by some type of public habit?
“You will never understand bureaucracies until you understand that for bureaucrats procedure is everything and outcomes are nothing.” Thomas Sowell

Offline IsailedawayfromFR

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,603
:bigsilly:

Thank you for demonstrating the old canard about leading a horse to water.

Given your proclivity to have judges rewrite the Constitution to mirror your subjective policy preferences, some place like DU or Bluesky would be a more relevant discussion venue for you.

Then again, I suppose you really could be as stupid as your comment makes you appear.
Spoken as nonsense.

Please explain why the Iranians who took over our embassy should be considered under our jurisdiction, based upon your nonsense the moment they stepped onto our soil they are.
“You will never understand bureaucracies until you understand that for bureaucrats procedure is everything and outcomes are nothing.” Thomas Sowell

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51,069
Spoken as nonsense.

Please explain why the Iranians who took over our embassy should be considered under our jurisdiction, based upon your nonsense the moment they stepped onto our soil they are.

Really?  So your position is that people who come to US soil to commit acts of violence are not subject to the jurisdiction of U.S. law?

Really?  They can’t be arrested or prosecuted, or jailed if convicted?

Wow.  Talk about nonsense.  You could school Jackson on nonsense.
Nie mój cyrk, nie moje małpy

Socialism is a crime against humanity

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51,069
Correction:  The law as you interpret as it's written.  You, sir, have no monopoly on that!  Cut our Briefers some slack...You know how I feel about personal attacks on fellow Members.

 Nope.  The law as written. 

If one were to apply your position to, say, the Second Amendment, and particularly Sauer’s facetious statement about changed circumstances, then it would be Consittutional to exclude all modern weapons from Second Amendment coverages, because, obviously, they didn’t have cartridge style firearms or semiautomatic or full automatic firearms back then, so they cannot have meant the Second Amendment to apply to those sorts of arms. 

That is precisely one of the arguments progs have made; thankfully to-date the Supreme Court has rejected that argument.

Just so, just because they didn’t t have the concept of illegal immigrants when the 14th was enacted is not a ground for saying that illegal immigrants can be excluded from the 14th Amendment. 

Furthermore, the whinging about “birth tourism” is just as unavailing because that would be just like saying that modern weapons, like large capacity semi autos, can be excluded from the Second Amendment because it’s so darn easy for a single individual to create mass casualties with a single weapon and a couple of clips, so of course that wasn’t what they “really” meant when they drafted the Second Amendment; that was only meant for single-shot muzzle loading firearms.  And that is another argument progs have tried in order to get around the fact that the Second Amendment conflicts with their subjective policy preferences and they don’t want to do the really hard work of convincing their fellow Americans to amend the Constitution to remove the Second Amendment.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2026, 06:57:15 pm by Kamaji »
Nie mój cyrk, nie moje małpy

Socialism is a crime against humanity

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 66,338
  • Gender: Male
  • 🌵🌵🌵
Nope.  The law as written. 

If one were to apply your position to, say, the Second Amendment, and particularly Sauer’s facetious statement about changed circumstances, then it would be Consittutional to exclude all modern weapons from Second Amendment coverages, because, obviously, they didn’t have cartridge style firearms or semiautomatic or full automatic firearms back then, so they cannot have meant the Second Amendment to apply to those sorts of arms. 

That is precisely one of the arguments progs have made; thankfully to-date the Supreme Court has rejected that argument.

Just so, just because they didn’t t have the concept of illegal immigrants when the 14th was enacted is not a ground for saying that illegal immigrants can be excluded from the 14th Amendment. 

Furthermore, the whinging about “birth tourism” is just as unavailing because that would be just like saying that modern weapons, like large capacity semi autos, can be excluded from the Second Amendment because it’s so darn easy for a single individual to create mass casualties with a single weapon and a couple of clips, so of course that wasn’t what they “really” meant when they drafted the Second Amendment; that was only meant for single-shot muzzle loading firearms.  And that is another argument progs have tried in order to get around the fact that the Second Amendment conflicts with their subjective policy preferences and they don’t want to do the really hard work of convincing their fellow Americans to amend the Constitution to remove the Second Amendment.

My statement stands.
I don’t owe tolerance to people who disagree with my existence.
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:

Offline Kamaji

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51,069
My statement stands.

On the shaky soil of progressivism, yes, it does stand.
Nie mój cyrk, nie moje małpy

Socialism is a crime against humanity

Online Bigun

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 37,251
  • Gender: Male
  • Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God
    • The FairTax Plan
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

Online libertybele

  • Cat Mod
  • *****
  • Posts: 68,808
  • Gender: Female

https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/2039822456282660908

The Great Mark Levin makes a pretty indisputable point;

..."Anyone who can read and comprehend the civil rights act in 1866 that preceded the amendment, the debates surrounding the act, and the subsequent draft and debate around the 14th amendment would know full well that the amendment never -- in any way -- contemplated granting birthright citizenship to foreigners, let alone illegal aliens"...
Live in  harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

Romans 12:16-18

Online Bigun

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 37,251
  • Gender: Male
  • Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God
    • The FairTax Plan
The Great Mark Levin makes a pretty indisputable point;

..."Anyone who can read and comprehend the civil rights act in 1866 that preceded the amendment, the debates surrounding the act, and the subsequent draft and debate around the 14th amendment would know full well that the amendment never -- in any way -- contemplated granting birthright citizenship to foreigners, let alone illegal aliens"...

:yowsa: But as we have seen lately, on this very thread, there are those among us who cannot read and properly interpret plain English. 
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien

Online Smokin Joe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 66,694
  • I was a "conspiracy theorist". Now I'm just right.
:facepalm2:

They may very well remain subject to the jurisdiction of their country of origin in addition to being subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. once they are on U.S. soil.

Once a person sets foot on another country’s soil, that person owes an obligation to that sovereign to follow that sovereigns laws, or face the consequences, with very few exceptions,including accredited ambassadors.  Indians who were tribal members were excluded because (a) they already outnumber Whites in the Weet, and had very good memories of what had been done to them by the Whites, and so the claim was ginned up that they were similar to ambassadors in that they were excluded from the obligation to follow US law unless they left the tribe (good luck with that back in the day).

Having an obligation to follow a sovereigns laws or suffer the consequences means one owes allegiance to that sovereign.   And that is also what it means to be subject to the jurisdiction of that sovereign.

Every person who sets foot on US soil, with the exception of accredited ambassadors and, in time of war, invading soldiers, automatically owes allegiance to the U.S., even if, like US citizens abroad, they also have a continuing allegiance to their home country.  And that arises whether they entered legally or illegally.  Because they owe that allegiance, they are subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. and, under the 14th Amendment, their children who are born in the U.S. automatically become U.S. citizens. 

If you don’t like that result, then get off your lazy a$$ and start organizing to change the Constitution.
You mean like Pancho Villa?
Nope. They don't owe this country anything especially if they have demonstrated contempt for our laws by being here illegally, even though they seem to think we owe THEM.

By your 'logic', I'd be a member of several Tribes because I have been on their reservations. It just doesn't work that way.
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis

Online Smokin Joe

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 66,694
  • I was a "conspiracy theorist". Now I'm just right.
:yowsa: But as we have seen lately, on this very thread, there are those among us who cannot read and properly interpret plain English. 
Yep.
How God must weep at humans' folly! Stand fast! God knows what he is doing!
Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis

Offline IsailedawayfromFR

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15,603
Really?  So your position is that people who come to US soil to commit acts of violence are not subject to the jurisdiction of U.S. law?

Really?  They can’t be arrested or prosecuted, or jailed if convicted?

Wow.  Talk about nonsense.  You could school Jackson on nonsense.
So the pregnant ones who broke into the embassy and gave birth to new US citizens?

Utter nonsense you spew.
“You will never understand bureaucracies until you understand that for bureaucrats procedure is everything and outcomes are nothing.” Thomas Sowell

Online Wingnut

  • The problem with everything is they try and make it better without realizing the old way is fine.
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 25,469
  • Gender: Male
You don’t become cooler with age but you do care progressively less about being cool, which is the only true way to actually be cool.

Online libertybele

  • Cat Mod
  • *****
  • Posts: 68,808
  • Gender: Female


Stupidity, wanting to 'work' the system or are they just plain lazy?
Live in  harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.

Romans 12:16-18

Online Bigun

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 37,251
  • Gender: Male
  • Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God
    • The FairTax Plan
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

"So do I," said Gandalf, "and so do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us."
- J. R. R. Tolkien