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The Battleship Continues to Haunt the US Navy
« on: October 11, 2025, 11:17:06 am »
The Battleship Continues to Haunt the US Navy
October 10, 2025
By: James Holmes
 
In principle, I am all for fitting out a modern-day descendant of Iowa-class dreadnoughts. Whether doing so is practical is another question.

Halloween decorations are going up, so maybe it’s fitting that weird and eerie things may lie in store for the US Navy surface fleet. That device—the weird and the eerie—comes from Mark Fisher’s book by the same title. It’s a treatise on “weird fiction” ranging from HP Lovecraft—a long-ago denizen of Providence, Rhode Island, I might add—to Stanley Kubrick and beyond. But the dichotomy spans far beyond literary criticism. It’s about human psychology more than a subgenre of fiction. And psychology suffuses everything we do.

Fisher breaks down the Freudian concept of the uncanny—which he defines as “the strange within the familiar, the strangely familiar, the familiar as strange” (his emphasis)—into two intimately related but distinct phenomena. The essence of the weird is presence; the essence of the eerie is absence. Both, says Fisher, “allow us to see the inside from the perspective of the outside.”

This is about looking at ourselves and our society along unusual tangents.

The weird is “that which does not belong” (his emphasis). Something is jarring when it should not be, but is, present in familiar surroundings. For instance, sea monsters who have come to Earth from the cosmos should not be lurking in waters off the North Shore of Massachusetts, to name the premise of Lovecraft’s short story “The Shadow over Innmouth.” The story constitutes part of his “Cthulhu Mythos,” a saga of short works meant to arouse terror over baleful space monsters’ incursions into our everyday world.

Battleships Would Be Weird in a Modern Fleet

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Re: The Battleship Continues to Haunt the US Navy
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2025, 11:19:33 am »

Battleships Would Be Weird in a Modern Fleet
 

At one point in time, aircraft carriers were "weird" in a "modern" fleet too.  What works best should be the only consideration.
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Re: The Battleship Continues to Haunt the US Navy
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2025, 02:04:36 pm »
At one point in time, aircraft carriers were "weird" in a "modern" fleet too.  What works best should be the only consideration.
So were submarines...
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Re: The Battleship Continues to Haunt the US Navy
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2025, 02:31:16 pm »
A battleship is a slow sinkable platform for big guns.  That's it.
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Re: The Battleship Continues to Haunt the US Navy
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2025, 03:44:38 pm »
A battleship is a slow sinkable platform for big guns.  That's it.
35 knots was not considered slow. It was as fast as all but a destroyer (French) which could do 45 knots.

Even the Nimitz class still runs in the 30 knot range for flight ops.
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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis