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Birthright Citizenship” of Child of Foreign Diplomat Revoked
« on: September 07, 2025, 07:42:38 am »
The Post & Email by Sharon Rondeau, h/t CDR Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. (Ret), blogging at cdrkerchner 9/6/2025

In a striking opinion issued last month, a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed a lower court’s opinion that now 75-year-old Roberto Moncada, though born in the United States, should not have been considered a “birthright” citizen.

The decision was first flagged to this writer by CDR. Charles F. Kerchner, Jr. (Ret), who on August 30 posted to his blog a video from attorney and broadcaster Robert Goveia providing an analysis of the panel’s 25-page opinion.

Born in New York City in 1950 to a Nicaraguan diplomat, Moncada worked in the United States and was issued a U.S. passport on five occasions, the case record states. Nevertheless, the U.S. District Court for the District of California found, and the Ninth Circuit panel affirmed upon Moncada’s appeal, “the government was…wrong all along” (p. 5).

On page 2, the opinion reads:

    Moncada was born in New York City in July 1950, when his father, a Nicaraguan national, was working for Nicaragua’s permanent mission to the United Nations. For nearly seventy years, Moncada lived and worked in the United States as an American citizen. Five times he subscribed the oath of allegiance, and five times the government issued him a passport. In 2018, however, the government revoked his passport, telling him he did not acquire birthright citizenship because his father held diplomatic immunity when Moncada was born.

At issue during the litigation was whether Moncada’s father had been considered an “attaché” or a “consul,” as the former encompassed full diplomatic immunity while the latter did not. The opinions of both the district and appellate courts concluded Dr. Moncada’s role to have been an attaché, which excluded the family from qualifying as “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States as invoked in the 14th Amendment’s citizenship clause.

As Kerchner pointed out, the panel quoted from Emmerich de Vattel’s The Law of Nations (1758), on pages 8 and 9 of its opinion:

    Ambassadors and other public ministers hold full diplomatic immunity. Federal law in effect when Moncada was born voided “any writ or process [] sued forth or prosecuted . . . in any [] court[]” against “any ambassador or other public minister of any foreign prince or state, authorized and received as such by the President.” An Act for the Punishment of Certain Crimes Against the United States, ch. 9, § 25, 1 Stat. 117 (1790) (codified at 22 U.S.C. §§ 252–254) (repealed 1978). This remains the law today. See Diplomatic Relations Act, Pub. L. No. 95-393, 92 Stat. 808 (codified at 22 U.S.C. § 254c(a)); 22 C.F.R. § 150.1(a). This is because public ministers represent a foreign sovereign and therefore require “an entire independence on the jurisdiction and authority of the state in which [they] reside[].” Emerich de Vattel, The Law of Nations, Or, Principles of the Law of Nature, Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns 470 (1758) (London ed., 1797).

In a 2019 Supreme Court ruling, Vattel was described by Associate Justice Clarence Thomas as the “foremost expert” on “the law of nations.” Vattel is also considered by many today to have precisely defined the term “natural born Citizen” which the Framers placed in Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the U.S. Constitution pertaining solely to the president and commander-in-chief.

More: https://www.thepostemail.com/2025/09/06/birthright-citizenship-of-child-of-foreign-diplomat-revoked/

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Re: Birthright Citizenship” of Child of Foreign Diplomat Revoked
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2025, 07:54:07 am »
You don’t become cooler with age but you do care progressively less about being cool, which is the only true way to actually be cool.

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Re: Birthright Citizenship” of Child of Foreign Diplomat Revoked
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2025, 08:36:50 am »


LOL!  Isn't that from "Reacher"...featuring Rosamund Pike's ample bosum?
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Re: Birthright Citizenship” of Child of Foreign Diplomat Revoked
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2025, 09:50:48 am »
LOL!  Isn't that from "Reacher"...featuring Rosamund Pike's ample bosum?
Perhaps Lethal Weapon 2 just before Murtaugh puts one in his head.

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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2025, 11:48:08 am »
Perhaps Lethal Weapon 2 just before Murtaugh puts one in his head.

Yup. Either he, or Riggs cancelled his immunity.  Can't remember.
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Re: Birthright Citizenship” of Child of Foreign Diplomat Revoked
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2025, 02:18:07 pm »
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Re: Birthright Citizenship” of Child of Foreign Diplomat Revoked
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2025, 02:28:10 pm »
Interesting. So 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' does matter apparently.
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Re: Birthright Citizenship” of Child of Foreign Diplomat Revoked
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2025, 02:33:24 pm »
Interesting. So 'subject to the jurisdiction thereof' does matter apparently.

It always has.  This guy clearly didn’t qualify because, as the dependent of a representative of the Nicaraguan government, he wasn’t subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. — if he committed a crime in the U.S., or his father did, the only remedy the U.S. would have was revoking his credentials and forcing him to leave the country.


That is to be contrasted with everyone who crosses the border without a visa.  They are most definitely subject to the jurisdiction of the of the U.S. — that is what illegal aliens who commit a DUI can be jailed for it — and therefore the children of those illegal entrants are entitled to birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment.

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Re: Birthright Citizenship” of Child of Foreign Diplomat Revoked
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2025, 04:08:13 pm »
OK, it's correct that Senor Moncada isn't a "birthright" citizen.
No problems with that opinion.

But... he's lived here most of his life?
Worked here? Paid taxes?
Lived "within the laws of the land" otherwise?

Then...
Perhaps some kind of compromise is in order.
Offer him the opportunity to "naturalize" himself, right away.
And let things go at that.
Provided he accepts such compromise...

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Re: Birthright Citizenship” of Child of Foreign Diplomat Revoked
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2025, 06:10:00 pm »
OK, it's correct that Senor Moncada isn't a "birthright" citizen.
No problems with that opinion.

But... he's lived here most of his life?
Worked here? Paid taxes?
Lived "within the laws of the land" otherwise?

Then...
Perhaps some kind of compromise is in order.
Offer him the opportunity to "naturalize" himself, right away.
And let things go at that.
Provided he accepts such compromise...

Rule of law.
Rule 1. No One is above the law.
Rule 2. Find a Judge who will overturn a law.
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