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Because ignoring evil that proves/wants to kill us only gets more expensive/deadlier the longer we wait...with less of a chance to win.... this bombing should of been done years ago.

 :yowsa: :amen: And hopefully the Mullahs sent packing will soon follow!
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Oil from the Hormuz Strait supplies:

🇺🇸 5% of America's total oil supply
🇨🇳 50% of China's total oil supply

Iran would be crippling their ally China by closing off Hormuz. That is the last thing Iranians would want right now.
11:20 AM · Jun 22, 2025
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America isn’t a Jewish state. Why should America spend trillions like Bibi wanted during 2002, to fight their war?
Think back to 1979, and we have been 'at war' with the Iranian Government, directly or by proxy, ever since.

It may have languished in the background, but why do you think Saddam had the 4th largest army in the World?

It was allowed as long as he was waging war with Iran. When he started turning on other neighbors, we beat him back from Kuwait, and then took him out. The bombings of the Khobar Towers, the Marine Barracks in Beiruit, and a host of other events (USS Cole, for another) have all had Iranian fingerprints on them. While direct conflict has not been evident, the Iranian (Government's) declaration that it would destroy "The Great Satan" (that's the US, BTW) has been a constant. Israel, "The Lesser Satan", has been high on their target list as well.

So, just because there hasn't been a body count every night on the 6 o'clock news doesn't mean that that state of war hasn't existed since the Shah was deposed, it just means that while they have been at war with us, we have not conspicuously been at war with them. We don't have to be a Jewish state, Christians are high on their 'hit' parade, and any non Shi'a Muslim is an infidel or keffir in their estimation and less than human, anyway. The Dar al Islam requires the conversion, subjugation, or elimination of all others than their particular flavor of Muslim, anyway; the elimination of the Dar-al-Harb.

All that's just fine, sorta. It's like the big kid on the block ignoring the little kid who is constantly threatening to kick their ass.
But when the little kid is building a double barrel shotgun, when they have the ammo, you have to take that threat seriously. Iran has made progress with drones (they've been supplying the Russians in the Ukraine conflict), and some not inconsiderable progress with ballistic and cruise missiles. While for most, that is a survivable development (unless you are within the kill radius of the warhead), if you couple those developments with a nuclear warhead, no matter how primitive, the equation changes.

In short, just as the big kid would stop the little kid from getting a shotgun, we have the means to stop or seriously interrupt the Ayatolah's nuclear weapons program. Enrichment levels of 60% aren't done to get a better nuclear reactor (a questionable motive in an oil rich state, anyway). Medical isotopes can be obtained in much smaller research reactors. There is only one reason to take uranium enrichment past 3 to 5% U-235 (reactor fuel-grade Uranium) is to build a bomb.

Considering the long history of Iran's Mullahs and the Ayatolah's proxy war against the US and Israel, and their missile (just one difficult to intercept delivery system) development, they simply cannot be allowed to have a bomb. Other, more primitive (less technical) delivery options exist. Literally tons of drugs, and thousands of humans are smuggled into the US annually, the bomb could fit in a car trunk. For them, our destruction is something only to be planned and plotted for, not subject to negotiation because they have a religious belief that they are mandated to do this. You can't talk them out of that, only be deceived by what they say as they continue to make progress toward their ends. Their actions have spoken, far louder than their words. We have merely replied in a way that has been heard.
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Think back to 1979, and we have been 'at war' with the Iranian Government, directly or by proxy, ever since.

It may have languished in the background, but why do you think Saddam had the 4th largest army in the World?

It was allowed as long as he was waging war with Iran. When he started turning on other neighbors, we beat him back from Kuwait, and then took him out. The bombings of the Khobar Towers, the Marine Barracks in Beiruit, and a host of other events (USS Cole, for another) have all had Iranian fingerprints on them. While direct conflict has not been evident, the Iranian (Government's) declaration that it would destroy "The Great Satan" (that's the US, BTW) has been a constant. Israel, "The Lesser Satan", has been high on their target list as well.

So, just because there hasn't been a body count every night on the 6 o'clock news doesn't mean that that state of war hasn't existed since the Shah was deposed, it just means that while they have been at war with us, we have not conspicuously been at war with them. We don't have to be a Jewish state, Christians are high on their 'hit' parade, and any non Shi'a Muslim is an infidel or keffir in their estimation and less than human, anyway. The Dar al Islam requires the conversion, subjugation, or elimination of all others than their particular flavor of Muslim, anyway; the elimination of the Dar-al-Harb.

All that's just fine, sorta. It's like the big kid on the block ignoring the little kid who is constantly threatening to kick their ass.
But when the little kid is building a double barrel shotgun, when they have the ammo, you have to take that threat seriously. Iran has made progress with drones (they've been supplying the Russians in the Ukraine conflict), and some not inconsiderable progress with ballistic and cruise missiles. While for most, that is a survivable development (unless you are within the kill radius of the warhead), if you couple those developments with a nuclear warhead, no matter how primitive, the equation changes.

In short, just as the big kid would stop the little kid from getting a shotgun, we have the means to stop or seriously interrupt the Ayatolah's nuclear weapons program. Enrichment levels of 60% aren't done to get a better nuclear reactor (a questionable motive in an oil rich state, anyway). Medical isotopes can be obtained in much smaller research reactors. There is only one reason to take uranium enrichment past 3 to 5% U-235 (reactor fuel-grade Uranium) is to build a bomb.

Considering the long history of Iran's Mullahs and the Ayatolah's proxy war against the US and Israel, and their missile (just one difficult to intercept delivery system) development, they simply cannot be allowed to have a bomb. Other, more primitive (less technical) delivery options exist. Literally tons of drugs, and thousands of humans are smuggled into the US annually, the bomb could fit in a car trunk. For them, our destruction is something only to be planned and plotted for, not subject to negotiation because they have a religious belief that they are mandated to do this. You can't talk them out of that, only be deceived by what they say as they continue to make progress toward their ends. Their actions have spoken, far louder than their words. We have merely replied in a way that has been heard.

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Oil from the Hormuz Strait supplies:

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🇨🇳 50% of China's total oil supply

Iran would be crippling their ally China by closing off Hormuz. That is the last thing Iranians would want right now.
11:20 AM · Jun 22, 2025
I am not sure they care so much about the Chinese Kafirs any more than they care about the rest of the non-believers on the planet.

I think one of the biggest mistakes is to not realize this is not Iran vs Israel, but a holy war for the Ayatollah. Any non-believers are fair game, and that even includes any useful idiots who supply nukes to Iran as soon as they are no longer useful.

We are just at the top of his 'Hit list". We are, according to them "The Great Satan". Israel, while smaller and with fewer resources is only "The Lesser Satan", so that puts them as number two, only targeted first because of proximity and because Iran's leadership thinks them easier to take out.
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:yowsa: But they may be just dumb enough to try.

These guys are a bunch of grade school punks. They rule over us or they burn it down.

They don't even understand when they beaten, they'll just keep at it till they're out of matches or someone chops their fingers off.
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I hope the US has a plan for this...
Anyone remember Operation Preying Mantis? I should probably give a language warning…..I havent watched it but know the Narrator.


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Anyone remember Operation Preying Mantis? I should probably give a language warning…..I havent watched it but know the Narrator.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d5v6hlRyeHE
Great explanation.
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So... supporting Ukraine bad... but literally attacking Iran good? I don't understand that sentiment. I thought you guys were whining about spending money on other countries a few months back. Because Trump does it, it's good?

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This is the thing though, we have different views points, that’s a good thing, we are not a monolith.

My view is America is 37 TRILLION dollars in debt, the people have voted for no war and American first, no mass immigration, get out of the Middle East.

This latest action just puts America in a position where: hundreds of billions is spent, more mass immigration is spread through the world, more instability. For what? The word of bibi? We have seen this play out before. It’s a JOKE.
Some people just do not understand that we Americans actually do need the oil in the ME, at least in the short to medium term.

It is a stubborn fact that we have been relying upon that oil for the past 70 years to propel our economic prosperity to where it is. 

It is the cheapest and most plentiful oil in the world to extract, and there are none who can say otherwise.

Where would we get sufficient crude to replace what we need to import above what we produce?

Trump is incorrect in asserting America can take care of its own energy needs over the short term.  It just cannot happen.

Until the day comes when the US begins commercially harvesting other sources of energy such as nuclear expansion, a return to pollution-reduced coal for power, and greatly-enhanced usage of natural gas, there are very limited alternatives.

And make no mistake:  our presence there is a deterrent upon our sworn enemies like China gaining control of those resources, such control placing the world's economies in jeopardy should it happen.
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So... supporting Ukraine bad... but literally attacking Iran good? I don't understand that sentiment. I thought you guys were whining about spending money on other countries a few months back. Because Trump does it, it's good?

Not me.

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Some people just do not understand that we Americans actually do need the oil in the ME, at least in the short to medium term.

It is a stubborn fact that we have been relying upon that oil for the past 70 years to propel our economic prosperity to where it is. 

It is the cheapest and most plentiful oil in the world to extract, and there are none who can say otherwise.

Where would we get sufficient crude to replace what we need to import above what we produce?

Trump is incorrect in asserting America can take care of its own energy needs over the short term.  It just cannot happen.

Until the day comes when the US begins commercially harvesting other sources of energy such as nuclear expansion, a return to pollution-reduced coal for power, and greatly-enhanced usage of natural gas, there are very limited alternatives.

And make no mistake:  our presence there is a deterrent upon our sworn enemies like China gaining control of those resources, such control placing the world's economies in jeopardy should it happen.

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So... supporting Ukraine bad... but literally attacking Iran good? I don't understand that sentiment. I thought you guys were whining about spending money on other countries a few months back. Because Trump does it, it's good?

From the other side of things... I am against messin with Ukraine. None of our business. Generally against messin with anyone outside of our actual allies - The ones who lay their blood with ours on more than a few battlefields - Mainly the Brits and her daughters.

But I gotta tell you... Treating Israel as an ally rather than holding em back - which has been the case in nearly every instance I can think of in my whole life - Treating them as an ally is a refreshing.

Giving that damned Ayatollah the fat finger of defiance is also a refreshing change compared to the billions we've given them to shut them up... the billions they've used to increase their military, fund their nuke program, and finance terror around the globe...

Yeah, a big ol butt-ton of FAFO is sweet justice. Letting Israel loose to take a few swings is sweet too.

As far as regime change... If we woke up tomorrow to find out all the leadership didn't wake up... Well I wouldn't waste a tear over that... And we'd do loop-de-loops in here about whether it was Israel's spooks and special ops, or if it was ours. That'd be a giggle.

And if the Shah's kid gets a shot at it... And his people want that, then so be it. Spooks gotta spook and all that...

Hopefully that avoids all the twenty years of nation building we normally go through...

If it's a teflon job, I will personally congratulate Tumpy the Wonder Clown for pulling it off. Right here. In front of y'all. Credit where it's due.

I'd be alright with it. And I am among the 'no foreign entanglements' crowd.
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From the other side of things... I am against messin with Ukraine. None of our business. Generally against messin with anyone outside of our actual allies - The ones who lay their blood with ours on more than a few battlefields - Mainly the Brits and her daughters.

But I gotta tell you... Treating Israel as an ally rather than holding em back - which has been the case in nearly every instance I can think of in my whole life - Treating them as an ally is a refreshing.

Giving that damned Ayatollahs the fat finger of defiance is also a refreshing change compared to the billions we've given them to shut them up... the billions they've used to increase their military, fund their nuke program, and finance terror around the globe...

Yeah, a big ol butt-ton of FAFO is sweet justice. Letting Israel loose to take a few swings is sweet too.

As far as regime change... If we woke up tomorrow to find out all the leadership didn't wake up... Well I wouldn't waste a tear over that... And we'd do loop-de-loops in here about whether it was Israel's spooks and special ops, or if it was ours. That'd be a giggle.

And if the Shah's kid gets a shot at it... And his people want that, then so be it. Spooks gotta spook and all that...

Hopefully that avoids all the twenty years of nation building we normally go through...

If it's a teflon job, I will personally congratulate Tumpy the Wonder Clown for pulling it off. Right here. In front of y'all. Credit where it's due.

I'd be alright with it. And I am among the 'no foreign entanglements' crowd.

We could have just Israel do it all. We'll see if Trump ends up like W or not.

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We could have just Israel do it all. We'll see if Trump ends up like W or not.

It's my understanding that Israel didn't have anything to pack those bunker busters in there. So our end of it was mostly that heavy lifting. And I have no doubt that our spec ops and spooks are in there already, alongside of Israel's.

But yeah... That's the thing. Nation building (Dubya style)... I will get sick of that damn quick.

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We could have just Israel do it all. We'll see if Trump ends up like W or not.
Not unless we sold them some B-2s. No other plane can carry those bombs, certainly none in Israel's arsenal.

And I am all for regime change in Iran, but I'm against "nation building". Let them build their own nation, for that matter, let them change the regime, too.
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