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He should have insisted on more time to work out an acceptable deal to inspect the nuclear sites.

Oh, so you fully expected the Iranians to negotiate in good faith?  Obama tried to work out an "acceptable deal" 15 years ago and got taken to the cleaners.  And how many more years are you willing to give the mullahs to accept a "good deal?"

We should have blasted Iran into glass decades ago...
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He should have insisted on more time to work out an acceptable deal to inspect the nuclear sites.  Iran has been “on the verge” of having nukes for decades but has chosen not to develop them.  That should tell you they are more rational than we are led to believe.  Now it seems more likely than ever the Iranians will seek nuclear weapons as they see it’s the only way to protect themselves from Gaddafi’s fate.  Certainly the Americans cannot be trusted — Trump said an attack was not imminent a few hours before it happened.

Netanyahu’s goal is to destabilize Iran and force a regime change, preferably with most of the casualties of war suffered by young men & women from the United States.  We have tens of thousands in the region.  Our government told their families to leave earlier this week, because they will be targeted.  I fully expect the war cries to begin as soon as the missiles land.

Trump gave Iran 60 days to negotiate and they refused. On day 61, Bibi unleashed Hell.  I don't see the problem.
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He should have insisted on more time to work out an acceptable deal to inspect the nuclear sites.  Iran has been “on the verge” of having nukes for decades but has chosen not to develop them.  That should tell you they are more rational than we are led to believe.  Now it seems more likely than ever the Iranians will seek nuclear weapons as they see it’s the only way to protect themselves from Gaddafi’s fate.  Certainly the Americans cannot be trusted — Trump said an attack was not imminent a few hours before it happened.

Netanyahu’s goal is to destabilize Iran and force a regime change, preferably with most of the casualties of war suffered by young men & women from the United States.  We have tens of thousands in the region.  Our government told their families to leave earlier this week, because they will be targeted.  I fully expect the war cries to begin as soon as the missiles land.

So, 45 years isn't enough time to convince you that there is no negotiating with them. How much more time would you like? 5 years? 10? 20? When do we say ENOUGH? @cato potatoe
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Seems the mullahs have had enough...not so tough talking now.

Iran appeals to Oman, Qatar to stop Israeli strikes

https://www.israelhayom.com/2025/06/14/iran-appeals-to-oman-qatar-to-stop-israeli-strikes/

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Iran has approached Oman and Qatar with a request to mediate between Tehran and Washington over the possibility of renewing negotiations, provided Israeli attacks cease. While Oman, which has hosted some of the previous talks, has already publicized its efforts in this direction, the US is in no rush to respond.

Amid these developments, Omani Foreign Minister Badr al-Busaidi announced that the latest round of nuclear talks between the US and Iran, scheduled for Sunday in Muscat, will not take place.

A senior American diplomat told Israel Hayom that Iran today holds a significantly weaker position than it did on Thursday, before the Israeli strike.

"They either failed to understand or deliberately ignored the president's warnings, which were very clear. They tried to stall through negotiations, refused to compromise on the most basic issue that could have proven their claim they are not seeking a bomb, halting uranium enrichment on Iranian soil. Worst of all, they deceived us, continuing rapid development of their nuclear weapons program even while talks were underway," he said.

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It has been reported that Iran was somewhere between weeks and at most a year to having a nuclear weapon. It is possible they already do. A regime that has repeatedly said they were going to eliminate Israel. That's been their goal for decades. Look at what they instigated on Oct 7 of last year if you want to see their humanity and what they would do if they had the power to do it.

The clock ran out. To pretend that with just a little more nudging they would abandon nuclear weapons is seriously delusional.

And for those who seem to forget, it was Trump that said they had 60 days to abandon their nuclear weapons program or destruction was coming. Not Bibi.

Trump stated in no uncertain terms Iran cannot have nuclear weapons. What did everyone think that meant if not this? Iran had a choice. They made it.

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It has been reported that Iran was somewhere between weeks and at most a year to having a nuclear weapon. It is possible they already do. A regime that has repeatedly said they were going to eliminate Israel. That's been their goal for decades. Look at what they instigated on Oct 7 of last year if you want to see their humanity and what they would do if they had the power to do it.

The clock ran out. To pretend that with just a little more nudging they would abandon nuclear weapons is seriously delusional.

And for those who seem to forget, it was Trump that said they had 60 days to abandon their nuclear weapons program or destruction was coming. Not Bibi.

Trump stated in no uncertain terms Iran cannot have nuclear weapons. What did everyone think that meant if not this? Iran had a choice. They made it.

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And for those who seem to forget, it was Trump that said they had 60 days to abandon their nuclear weapons program or destruction was coming. Not Bibi.

Trump also told Bibi "no" directly and through emissaries.  The 60 days was arbitrary and for negotiation pressure only ---  not for the start of a shooting war.  The thug Netanyahu knew this and chose to make a fool of the POTUS --- and bank on Trump having no other option but to be directly drawn into his lastest war.

Please, don't sacrifice our heroes at the behest of this liar, Benjamin Netanyahu.


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So, 45 years isn't enough time to convince you that there is no negotiating with them. How much more time would you like? 5 years? 10? 20? When do we say ENOUGH? @cato potatoe

Let Israel and her Middle East allies take care of this.  Stop volunteering our military to spill their blood in this sand trap.   

We've given enough!

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Trump also told Bibi "no" directly and through emissaries.  The 60 days was arbitrary and for negotiation pressure only ---  not for the start of a shooting war.  The thug Netanyahu knew this and chose to make a fool of the POTUS --- and bank on Trump having no other option but to be directly drawn into his lastest war.

Please, don't sacrifice our heroes at the behest of this liar, Benjamin Netanyahu.

Trump moved non-essential personnel out of the region and it was also reported that Trump stated that Israel could attack Iran soon.  All this happened before Israel actually attacked Iran.

I think Trump knew what was likely going to happen, as Trump also commented that Iran couldn't be allowed to have full nuclear power and realized there was little choice left but to stop Iran, though he was also hoping to do so through further negotiations.

Just my perception. 




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Let Israel and her Middle East allies take care of this.  Stop volunteering our military to spill their blood in this sand trap.   

We've given enough!

Exactly right @Right_in_Virginia and they are fully capable of doing just that if WE can keep the likes of Jimmy Carter and Barrack Husein Obama out of their damned way!
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That would only be case if Trump tries to do nation building. Nation building was the primary error.  Had Bush destroyed the government of Iraq and walked away his legacy would have been very different.
Right. Without an endgame/exit strategy, you end up with a quagmire. Win the war, lose the peace.

Have a clear objective. Accomplish that. Go home. Let the people there decide how they want to live. Virtually every Iraqi household had an AK, maybe a RPG launcher. Let them sort it.
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Right. Without an endgame/exit strategy, you end up with a quagmire. Win the war, lose the peace.

Have a clear objective. Accomplish that. Go home. Let the people there decide how they want to live. Virtually every Iraqi household had an AK, maybe a RPG launcher. Let them sort it.

OTOH...Saddam's two sadistic sons?  They've never had a RAMBO movie necessary.

It can remain a fantasy/fiction.
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Trump moved non-essential personnel out of the region and it was also reported that Trump stated that Israel could attack Iran soon.  All this happened before Israel actually attacked Iran.

I think Trump knew what was likely going to happen, as Trump also commented that Iran couldn't be allowed to have full nuclear power and realized there was little choice left but to stop Iran, though he was also hoping to do so through further negotiations.

Just my perception.

None of this is the same as giving the green light, and Netanyahu knew this.  Netanyahu took advantage in the most immoral way possible --- trying to trick the US into war.  He still is.

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OTOH...Saddam's two sadistic sons?  They've never had a RAMBO movie necessary.

It can remain a fantasy/fiction.
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None of this is the same as giving the green light, and Netanyahu knew this.  Netanyahu took advantage in the most immoral way possible --- trying to trick the US into war.  He still is.

Oh please...

'We knew everything,' Trump tells Reuters about Israel's strikes on Iran

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-tells-reuters-its-unclear-if-iran-still-has-nuclear-program-2025-06-13/


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After months of urging Israel not to strike Iran while he worked toward a nuclear deal, President Donald Trump told Reuters in a phone interview on Friday that he and his team had known the attacks were coming - and still saw room for an accord.
"We knew everything, and I tried to save Iran humiliation and death. I tried to save them very hard because I would have loved to have seen a deal worked out," Trump said.

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Asked if the U.S. would support Israel against Iranian counterattacks, Trump said he supported Israel. He said he was not concerned about a regional war breaking out as a result of Israel's strikes but did not elaborate.

“We’ve been very close to Israel. We’re their number one ally by far," Trump told Reuters, adding, "We'll see what happens."
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Usay and Uday are ed-day... happy77

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Usay and Uday are ed-day... happy77

Weren't they both so coked-out one day that they decided to execute their entire National Soccer Team?

I mean, cue the Ennio Morocone soundtrack.

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Russia Pulls Citizens From Iran, Halts Tehran Consular Activity

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June 15, 2025

Russia said Sunday it had evacuated several of its citizens from Iran and halted activity at its Tehran consulate after Israeli attacks on the country sparked retaliatory missile fire towards Israel.

“Due to the current situation, the consular service of the embassy is temporarily suspending its activities. The resumption of consular services will be announced later,” the Russian embassy in Tehran said on Telegram.

Russian Culture Minister Olga Lyubimova said musicians from the Tchaikovsky Grand Symphony Orchestra were evacuated from Iran.

“The musicians crossed the Azerbaijani border. Yesterday (Saturday), Fyodor Bondarchuk's film crew left Iran via the same route,” she said on Telegram, referring to the Russian director and actor.

Russia’s civil aviation authority ordered airlines to suspend flights to Iran and Israel and avoid their airspace — along with the airspace of Jordan and Iraq — until at least June 26, following official travel warnings issued Friday.

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https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/06/15/russia-pulls-citizens-from-iran-halts-tehran-consular-activity-a89451
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Russia is evacuating military bases in Iran. Various consulates are helping people evacuate overland because all flights have been canceled.
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Weren't they both so coked-out one day that they decided to execute their entire National Soccer Team?

I mean, cue the Ennio Morocone soundtrack.
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Russia is evacuating military bases in Iran. Various consulates are helping people evacuate overland because all flights have been canceled.
Maybe Putin gave Iran enough to cause a nuke by Israel and Russia wants to preserve its resources?

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Russia is evacuating military bases in Iran. Various consulates are helping people evacuate overland because all flights have been canceled.
Russia is evacuating military bases, that’s pretty much admitting their defenses are pretty useless against the Israelis’, and our equipment.

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Their capricious viciousness is only rivaled by the Kims...(Jong Un/Il type, not Kardashian...)
Agreed, different type of asses.

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It has been reported that Iran was somewhere between weeks and at most a year to having a nuclear weapon. It is possible they already do.
Several ways to get that weapon without developing it.  The billions in cash Obama/Biden gave them could be enough to have obtained one from Russia, China or on the black market.

And let's not forget that Pakistan has nuclear weapons and has a minority Shia Muslim population that might be exploited.  Nuclear technology transfer from Pakistan to Iran already occurred by the creator of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal by Dr. Abdul Quadeer Khan, a Muslim.

Or possibly Biden could have been more incompetent than we ever thought when he left Afghanistan and forgot a frightening weapon that the Taliban gave to the Mullahs?
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Russia is evacuating military bases, that’s pretty much admitting their defenses are pretty useless against the Israelis’, and our equipment.
Not really. It simply means that Russia does not have the time or resources to get involved with another war.
They have enough on their plate already. Russia is essentially on the verge of military and government collapse.
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