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Now Putin is poised to invade Europe as Trump casts Ukraine aside: Spy chiefs warn Russia is preparing for large-scale war by 2030

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By ELENA SALVONI
13 February 2025

Donald Trump's concessions on Ukraine have played into the hands of Vladimir Putin, experts have warned, at a time when intelligence chiefs say Moscow is preparing its military for a major war in Europe.

US defence chief Pete Hegseth told European counterparts on Wednesday that Ukraine's dream of returning to its pre-2014 borders was an 'illusionary goal' and that Kyiv's wish for NATO membership was 'not realistic'.

His statements are widely seen as a major victory for Putin and a devastating blow to Kyiv, which as a result could be forced to cede vast swathes of territory without the prospect of a security guarantee.

'I tell you they're drinking vodka straight out of the bottle in the Kremlin tonight,' Trump's former national security adviser John Bolton told CNN. 'It was a great day for Moscow.'

Analysts have warned that appeasing Putin could result in history repeating itself, with former Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt accusing Trump of an historical sell-out of Ukraine.

'It's certainly an innovative approach to a negotiation to make very major concessions even before they have started,' he said. 'Not even Chamberlain went that low in 1938. That Munich ended very bad anyhow.'

Bildt is among a number of experts who have drawn comparisons between Trump's statements and British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's 'peace for our time' declaration.

The Allies' concessions to Adolf Hitler, which included the annexation of territory, came a year before Hitler invaded Poland, triggering World War II.

The deal was known as the Munich Agreement - and now discussions over the fate of Ukraine are set to be held at a security conference in the German city on Friday.

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Putin/Russia is so weak and bankrupt at this point, Putin couldn't invade and conquer a taco stand in East L.A.
The very idea that Putin might invade Europe actually made me laugh.
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Putin/Russia is so weak and bankrupt at this point, Putin couldn't invade and conquer a taco stand in East L.A.
The very idea that Putin might invade Europe actually made me laugh.
My response was "With what?"
They are pulling tanks out of the boneyard that date back 50 years or more, now.
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The very idea that Putin might invade Europe actually made me laugh.
Yep. The article seems just a smidge hysterical.
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What experts?  John "warhawk" Bolton.
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Russia has committed national suicide and is well on its way to collapse. The idea that Russia is capable of expanding the Ukraine war with the rest of the West is idiocy.

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This war is a stalemate. There is no sense in humans losing their lives in order to perpetuate a stalemate. As things now stand, most of the areas of the former Ukraine that are under Russian control, prefer to be under Russian control, and most of the areas under Ukrainian control prefer to be under Ukrainian control. This outcome could easily have been negotiated before the war ever started, but the arrogance of Biden and his confidence in our DEI war capabilities (along with his taste for graft) prevented the outcome that was obvious all along.

It is sad to see, really. The country that ramped up a war machine and defeated Japan, Germany and Italy in 4 years struggles to get a stalemate against a second-rate power. But that is where we are. We need a negotiated settlement to give ourselves time to make our military right again.  The EU does too, but they will do nothing because they have squandered all the spoils of the cold war coming to an end, and there are no resources left.

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Russia has committed national suicide and is well on its way to collapse. The idea that Russia is capable of expanding the Ukraine war with the rest of the West is idiocy.
China sees all of this. Russia has much, much, much more to fear from China than they do from Ukraine, Europe, or America.
Putin should be more worried about watching his back, than worrying about invading anyone.
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Hear me out. Trump negotiates a ceasefire between Russia, and the Ukraine. Land swaps and prisoner exchanges ensue. Putin then pulls back and begins as concerted effort to rebuild. In theory if he pulls a China, he could rebuild the entire military in under 5 years. Focus efforts on the Siberian oil deposits and build up a serious reserve. He could be ready to go after NATO when Trump is out of office. The EU better get their SHITE! together now.
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Hear me out. Trump negotiates a ceasefire between Russia, and the Ukraine. Land swaps and prisoner exchanges ensue. Putin then pulls back and begins as concerted effort to rebuild. In theory if he pulls a China, he could rebuild the entire military in under 5 years. Focus efforts on the Siberian oil deposits and build up a serious reserve. He could be ready to go after NATO when Trump is out of office. The EU better get their SHITE! together now.

Putin can't regrow all the dead and wounded people. This is going to have long term consequences for Russia.

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Russia would not conduct a unilateral symetrical military invasion of Europe.

Why did Lenin cede so much Russian territory to the Central Powers in the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk?  To buy time to consolidate power in Russia, so the Soviet Union could re-take those territories at a later date.  Lenin sacrificed territory to guarantee the survival of his regime.

Putin will attempt the same.  Putin's priority is the survival of his regime, the consolidation of his power, the elimination of his domestic rivals, and the re-building of the Russian military.  If Putin can get former Soviet Republics, like Kazakhstan, to be in union with the Russian Federation, he would have another well of wealth and soldiers to draw upon.

Putin's mistake with Ukraine was his impatience.  Putin's best strategy is to weaken each E.U. and N.A.T.O country from within, and have elections bring pro-Putin regimes into power, and have those countries exit N.A.T.O. and the E.U.

Infiltration is Putin's and Xi's best strategy to bring other nations into their spheres if influence.  Economic integration via trade and development agreements is another vector of infiltration.  China is effectively using this strategy to gain access and influence to resources around the Indian Ocean.

Putin is pursuing an age-old Russian objective of obtaining access to warm water ports for its navy.  One strategic objective Stalin was not able to achieve during his conquest of Warsaw Pact nations was the conquest of Denmark.  The British made a point to deny Stalin access to and influence over Denmark.  Having Denmark in the Soviet orbit would have been advantageous for Russia's Baltic fleet to gain access to the open Atlantic Ocean.

Russian history is key to understanding Putin's movtives and objectives in Europe.  Why were Sweden and Finland so quick to join N.A.T.O.?  Finland used to be in 'personal union' with the Russian Empire.  Sweden was the nation Russia fought to get access to the Baltic Sea and acquire Finland.

Russia needs to expand its influence westward into Central and Western Europe to become a global power again.
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Hear me out. Trump negotiates a ceasefire between Russia, and the Ukraine. Land swaps and prisoner exchanges ensue. Putin then pulls back and begins as concerted effort to rebuild. In theory if he pulls a China, he could rebuild the entire military in under 5 years. Focus efforts on the Siberian oil deposits and build up a serious reserve. He could be ready to go after NATO when Trump is out of office. The EU better get their SHITE! together now.

Right.  More likely, Trump sells Ukraine down the river to Russia, Russia sells Ukrainian resources and its own oil - part of the “deal” with Trump, of course - and in five years invades one of the NATO member countries that used to be part of the USSR.  All courtesy of Trump and his Russia-love.

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Right.  More likely, Trump sells Ukraine down the river to Russia, Russia sells Ukrainian resources and its own oil - part of the “deal” with Trump, of course - and in five years invades one of the NATO member countries that used to be part of the USSR.  All courtesy of Trump and his Russia-love.

Probably one of the Baltics or Poland or even Moldova (if he gobbles up all of Ukraine).
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Let's wait and see what actually happens. He's scaring the hell out of Europe and it all might simply be to get them more involved.


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Right.  More likely, Trump sells Ukraine down the river to Russia, Russia sells Ukrainian resources and its own oil - part of the “deal” with Trump, of course - and in five years invades one of the NATO member countries that used to be part of the USSR.  All courtesy of Trump and his Russia-love.
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Let's wait and see what actually happens.

Right, because when home-invading criminals are waiting outside and your "security partner" looks like he's ready to walk away, the proper course of action is always to do nothing and just wait ...

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