A “Calexit” initiative to allow California to secede from the United States has been cleared to lega

[rangerrebew]

A “Calexit” initiative to allow California to secede from the United States has been cleared to legally gather signatures.

If passed, the proposed measure — “Calexit,” a nod to the Brexit vote in the UK — would be on the ballot in 2028 and ask voters: “Should California leave the United States and become a free and independent country?”
 
For the measure to pass, at least 50% of registered voters must participate in the election, and at least 55% — or more than 500,000 people, must vote “yes” by July 22.

Should that happen, it would trigger “a vote of no confidence in the United States of America” and “expression of the will of the people of California” to become an independent country.

Then a 20-member commission would be created to study the viability of California operating as an independent state in 2027 and to publish a report the following year.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/calexit-initiative-could-see-californians-deciding-whether-they-want-the-golden-state-to-leave-the-us/ar-AA1xRtaQ?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=465a52a87f0e4f5eb9d5618b3f88097d&ei=66

[Smokin Joe]

 

[Wingnut]

We will need to build another wall to keep ileagles from the country of California out of the USA

[ScottinVA]

Nearly 48% of the California landmass is property of the federal government.  That would have to be negotiated. 

[Bigun]

Where can I send a donation to help make the effort a success?

[the OlLine Rebel]

Oh, I thought secession was horrible and illegal, period?

[SZonian]

I look forward to being deported by California as a persona non grata. 

I'm an "illegal alien" (aka productive, white, male US citizen) trapped in this state for the time being...I've been developing my own Calexit plan for a while now.

[PeteS in CA]

I seem to remember such an effort faring poorly about 160 years ago.

This referendum is just a tantrum by Progs who can't handle not getting their way in a national election ... this idea was also bandied about some in 2016 and 2017. Pathetic.

Is this an example of my "Leftism", @ChemEngrMBA?

[Bigun]

I seem to remember such an effort faring poorly about 160 years ago.

This referendum is just a tantrum by Progs who can't handle not getting their way in a national election ... this idea was also bandied about some in 2016 and 2017. Pathetic.

Is this an example of my "Leftism", @ChemEngrMBA?

Can you show me the constitutional language that prevents a state or states from leaving the union?  I'll wait but until you do show me that language, the answer to your question is Yes! @PeteS in CA

[Ghost Bear]

[The_Reader_David]

I'm of two minds about this:  We could either make it an amicable separation and let them go, with a lot of provisos (1) they accept a share of the Federal deficit, half divided in proportion to GDP, half divided in proportion to population, (2) all counties in California bordering other states hold plebiscites on whether to secede with California or secede from California to join the neighboring state and remain in the US and are allowd to implement the result, (3) we get 99 year leases all military facilities DoD wants to keep in California, (4) California's currency is pegged to the US dollar for five years before being allowed to float, and (5) California pays to relocate any US citizens who wish to leave seceded California to move to the remaining United States (and we can be nice and reciprocate and pay for any US citizens who want to move to seceded California to move there), after which residents of California cease to be US citizens and become citizens of California.  Or, once they secede, we could invade and apply radical reconstruction.

[Smokin Joe]

I'm of two minds about this:  We could either make it an amicable separation and let them go, with a lot of provisos (1) they accept a share of the Federal deficit, half divided in proportion to GDP, half divided in proportion to population, (2) all counties in California bordering other states hold plebiscites on whether to secede with California or secede from California to join the neighboring state and remain in the US and are allowd to implement the result, (3) we get 99 year leases all military facilities DoD wants to keep in California, (4) California's currency is pegged to the US dollar for five years before being allowed to float, and (5) California pays to relocate any US citizens who wish to leave seceded California to move to the remaining United States (and we can be nice and reciprocate and pay for any US citizens who want to move to seceded California to move there), after which residents of California cease to be US citizens and become citizens of California.  Or, once they secede, we could invade and apply radical reconstruction.

What?? The Duchy of Grand Fenwick play? They declare war on us, get defeated, and then we rebuild their 'country'?

[The_Reader_David]

What?? The Duchy of Grand Fenwick play? They declare war on us, get defeated, and then we rebuild their 'country'?

No, no, look up the phrase "radical reconstruction" as it applied to the seceded states following the Civil War.  Maybe we'd be rebuilding California, but it would be rebuilt as a proper part of America, not the exporter of wokery it's become.  After we've divided it into military districts, we can start with taking over forest management and having controlled burns whether the Californians like it or not.  And we can impose conditions before giving them back their Congressional delegation and electoral votes.

[Smokin Joe]

No, no, look up the phrase "radical reconstruction" as it applied to the seceded states following the Civil War.  Maybe we'd be rebuilding California, but it would be rebuilt as a proper part of America, not the exporter of wokery it's become.  After we've divided it into military districts, we can start with taking over forest management and having controlled burns whether the Californians like it or not.  And we can impose conditions before giving them back their Congressional delegation and electoral votes.

The wokery may be imposed on the land, but it resides in the people.

That's a bunch of statues to tear down and flags to ban...
(and don't think the Confederacy will ever be dead, just as the idea of secession and scoffing at the laws of the Union have arisen again, just over a different sort of 'slavery' and other issues).
'Rebuilding' is likely to suffer the same fate as the 'Nation Building' junkets in the past 25 years.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss...

Until the people of California who are the resservoirs of wokery change their attitudes and culture, they will not comply.

[mountaineer]

Oh, I thought secession was horrible and illegal, period?

Kind of insurrectiony.

[rangerrebew]

What?? The Duchy of Grand Fenwick play? They declare war on us, get defeated, and then we rebuild their 'country'?

The Mouse that Roared.

[jafo2010]

Funny movie with Peter Sellers.

If they attempt to do this, the leaders should be incarcerated for committing treason.  Indict, convict, and dispatch.

We have too many crazy liberals with designs to destroy this nation.

[Sighlass]

Domino effect, Washington, Oregon next... ? Gaza strip parts of the US... ? Just move to Canada or Mexico liberals.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I read that something like 25% of California receipts come from the US treasury.

I wonder how long CA will survive when that dries up?

On the positive side, our continent gets royalty in King Newsome and Queen Kamala

[GtHawk]

I read that something like 25% of California receipts come from the US treasury.

I wonder how long CA will survive when that dries up?

On the positive side, our continent gets royalty in King Newsome and Queen Kamala

California sends more to the feral government than it receives so it would probably be okay if it wasn’t for democrat spending. Of course if somehow they did manage to secede then most all businesses still left in the state and many more individual producers would leave. What about Texas’s plan to leave the union, I expect it to be just as successful as California.

I think a better solution for California is for it to be split into thirds, South, Central, and Northern. Let the communists have the central, LA county line up thru Sacramento.

[240B]

We will need to build another wall to keep ileagles from the country of California out of the USA

Not a joke. Everybody would flee Cali like the Titanic. The only people left in California would be homeless drug addicts, illegal aliens, and super smug brainwashed White Liberals.

[The_Reader_David]

The wokery may be imposed on the land, but it resides in the people.
Until the people of California who are the resservoirs of wokery change their attitudes and culture, they will not comply.

Well then the reconstruction phase following the second War Between the States might just be very long.  It might be a whole generation before they get their congressional delegation and electors back.

Of course, we could let them go, subject to the provisos of my original post to this thread.

[The_Reader_David]

California sends more to the feral government than it receives so it would probably be okay if it wasn’t for democrat spending. Of course if somehow they did manage to secede then most all businesses still left in the state and many more individual producers would leave. What about Texas’s plan to leave the union, I expect it to be just as successful as California.

I think a better solution for California is for it to be split into thirds, South, Central, and Northern. Let the communists have the central, LA county line up thru Sacramento.

You'd strand all the good honest farmers in the central valley in the central third dividing it north-south with the lunatic leftists.  I think thirds with the leftists concentrated in one of them is a good idea, but the borders need to be considered.  Maybe the middle third along the coast and inland a bit to include Sacramento to the commies, with the north and south each getting about half of the central valley.

[the OlLine Rebel]

Can you show me the constitutional language that prevents a state or states from leaving the union?  I'll wait but until you do show me that language, the answer to your question is Yes! @PeteS in CA

It would be perfectly legal.  There was nothing wrong with secession, and people even then knew it.  It’s ever since that people think it’s horrible.  But to think so completely contradicts the Founding.  By this Federal thinking, Lincoln thinking, the Founding was illegal.

And frankly I don’t mind if they choose to leave.  Have fun with that self-sustainability, though.  They’d have to negotiate about all the pipelines, including water supply such as the Colorado, that they get because they’re still basically desert.