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US judge orders dismantling of Trump's 'Alligator Alcatraz'
« on: August 22, 2025, 06:24:56 am »

US judge orders dismantling of Trump's 'Alligator Alcatraz'
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A US federal judge on Thursday barred the Trump administration and Florida state government from bringing any new migrants to the detention center known as "Alligator Alcatraz" and ordered much of the site to be dismantled, effectively shuttering the facility.
 
The detention center was hastily assembled in just eight days in June with bunk beds, wire cages and large white tents at an abandoned airfield in Florida's Everglades wetlands, home to a large population of alligators.

President Donald Trump, who has vowed to deport millions of undocumented migrants, visited the center last month, boasting about the harsh conditions and joking that the reptilian predators will serve as guards.

The White House has nicknamed the facility "Alligator Alcatraz," a reference to the former island prison in San Francisco Bay that Trump has said he wants to reopen.

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Re: US judge orders dismantling of Trump's 'Alligator Alcatraz'
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2025, 06:26:30 am »
I guess the "judge" feels people who have broken US immigration law deserve to be in five star hotels. :whistle:
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Re: US judge orders dismantling of Trump's 'Alligator Alcatraz'
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2025, 07:44:36 am »
Not sure how a federal judge can simply order the Executive branch to dismantle a detention camp in the middle of a swamp on the flimsy premise that the mosquitos and alligators might be offended.
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Re: US judge orders dismantling of Trump's 'Alligator Alcatraz'
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2025, 08:25:01 am »
U.S. District Judge Kathleen M. Williams was appointed by former President Barack Obama in 2011.

What a shock.
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Re: US judge orders dismantling of Trump's 'Alligator Alcatraz'
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2025, 09:51:41 am »
Trump Admin will need to find their own Federal Judge to refute Obama-Biden's Federal Judge.
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Re: US judge orders dismantling of Trump's 'Alligator Alcatraz'
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2025, 01:30:08 pm »
According to NBC:



The ruling was filed late Thursday, allowing the injunction that was requested over National Environmental Policy Act violations.

Within 60 days, “and once the population attrition allows for safe implementation of this Order,” the facility must also remove “all generators, gas, sewage, and other waste and waste receptacles that were installed to support this project,” the 82-page ruling said.

It must also remove additional lighting that was installed for the detention facility. Light pollution was a hot topic during the hearings this month.


It’s unclear how the facility will remain operational if those resources are removed.

The government must also remove temporary fencing installed to allow Native American tribe members access to the site consistent with the access they had before the facility was erected.

The defense has appealed the ruling, court records show.

A spokesperson for the Department of Homeland Security, Tricia McLaughlin, said in a statement that the ruling "ignores the fact that this land has already been developed for a decade.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/judge-rules-alligator-alcatraz-florida-no-new-detainees-rcna224550
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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2025, 03:00:43 pm »
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2025, 03:08:38 pm »
Just saw an interview with people running and working at the facility. They were literally laughing about this.
"Yeah, sure Judge, we'll get right on that ..." LOL

They said without saying that the Judge can stick her 'order' straight up her ass. No one is worried about this nonsense.
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Re: US judge orders dismantling of Trump's 'Alligator Alcatraz'
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2025, 04:48:15 pm »
I believe DeSantis when he says Alligator Alcatraz isn't going anywhere.  It is here to stay. 
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Re: US judge orders dismantling of Trump's 'Alligator Alcatraz'
« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2025, 05:01:50 pm »
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The government must also remove temporary fencing installed to allow Native American tribe members access to the site consistent with the access they had before the facility was erected.

Okay, I'll bite. How many accessed the site in the last 10 years for purposes other than 'parking' or having a few beers?
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2025, 05:11:30 pm »
I am with her, turn off their electricity and modern plumbing. Reduce the perks to just the staff.
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2025, 05:31:51 pm »
I am with her, turn off their electricity and modern plumbing. Reduce the perks to just the staff.

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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2025, 05:44:56 pm »
The government must also remove temporary fencing installed to allow Native American tribe members access to the site consistent with the access they had before the facility was erected.
This could be said about ANYWHERE in all of America, including the courthouse where the 'Judge' issued this ball of bullshit, and her own home.

This happened to Ben and Jerry. They went off on returning 'native land' to Native Americans. A Native American tribe demanded that Ben and Jerry return the land on which their factory was built. This really happened.
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2025, 06:26:01 pm »
This could be said about ANYWHERE in all of America, including the courthouse where the 'Judge' issued this ball of bullshit, and her own home.

This happened to Ben and Jerry. They went off on returning 'native land' to Native Americans. A Native American tribe demanded that Ben and Jerry return the land on which their factory was built. This really happened.

Perhaps the Indians should reinstate their tribal games for land among other tribes... Deadly/Bloody games where lots of young tribe members died fighting for hunting land. History that gets buried about how primitive their own conquests were. News Flash, they lost after backing a lot of losing war sides. How did that French thing work out for ya?
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2025, 06:30:25 pm »
Perhaps the Indians should reinstate their tribal games for land among other tribes... Deadly/Bloody games where lots of young tribe members died fighting for hunting land. History that gets buried about how primitive their own conquests were. News Flash, they lost after backing a lot of losing war sides. How did that French thing work out for ya?

They didn't get as far as the wheel...

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2025, 06:40:18 pm »
They didn't get as far as the wheel...

They did invent the game that became Lacrosse and it had a ball.

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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2025, 10:01:41 am »
Perhaps the Indians should reinstate their tribal games for land among other tribes... Deadly/Bloody games where lots of young tribe members died fighting for hunting land. History that gets buried about how primitive their own conquests were. News Flash, they lost after backing a lot of losing war sides. How did that French thing work out for ya?

Right, they were essentially stone age people who slaughtered, tortured, and conquered each other for thousands of years before Europeans even arrived.

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Re: US judge orders dismantling of Trump's 'Alligator Alcatraz'
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2025, 02:32:16 am »
Right, they were essentially stone age people who slaughtered, tortured, and conquered each other for thousands of years before Europeans even arrived.


And the Europeans, who had, on the backs of the Hittites, much better technology for slaughtering, torturing, and conquering, and a few thousand years of practice of their own at doing so for patches of land, dominion, and resources, not to mention mere ideas, came here and continued their practice, egged on eventually by the Darwinian notion of superiority in technology meaning we were a more advanced species.

The notion of counting coup was lost on the Europeans, but a source of renown among the natives. Literally, whacking your enemy with a stick instead of killing them meant closing to arm's length to do so.

Not particularly taking a side, but for all their being 'civilized' we of European stock were just better at doing slaughtering, torturing, and conquering on a larger scale, and continued practice and to develop technology for doing so.
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We have refined the art of killing each other, but does doing so pushing a button make us better than those who would engage in combat face to face?
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2025, 04:07:05 am »
And the Europeans, who had, on the backs of the Hittites, much better technology for slaughtering, torturing, and conquering, and a few thousand years of practice of their own at doing so for patches of land, dominion, and resources, not to mention mere ideas, came here and continued their practice, egged on eventually by the Darwinian notion of superiority in technology meaning we were a more advanced species.

The notion of counting coup was lost on the Europeans, but a source of renown among the natives. Literally, whacking your enemy with a stick instead of killing them meant closing to arm's length to do so.

Not particularly taking a side, but for all their being 'civilized' we of European stock were just better at doing slaughtering, torturing, and conquering on a larger scale, and continued practice and to develop technology for doing so.
For just a few high points, some before, some after the Indian Wars of the American West:

The Crusades
Borodino
Waterloo
Gettysburg
Shiloh
The Wilderness
The Somme
Stalingrad
Leningrad
Dresden
The Bulge
Okinawa
Tokyo
Hiroshima
Nagasaki
Donbas
We have refined the art of killing each other, but does doing so pushing a button make us better than those who would engage in combat face to face?

Point taken... but I am sure if given the chance, they would gladly take note on how to extend the range of their bows/arrows if presented with the intel.

Indians were not without their cunning in warfare too...

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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2025, 11:02:08 am »
They did invent the game that became Lacrosse and it had a ball.
Probably used Bison balls.

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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2025, 11:07:06 am »
Probably used Bison balls.

I think originally they used human heads.  But they got mushy like a walmart one dollar 16" softball to fast.
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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2025, 12:00:17 pm »
Right, they were essentially stone age people who slaughtered, tortured, and conquered each other for thousands of years before Europeans even arrived.


And eating each other


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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2025, 01:57:52 pm »
And eating each other
Cannibalism is like slavery. Every group has done it, even if only on a limited basis. It's pretty limited in North America now (and was commonly considered to be primarily a ritual thing in pre-Columbian days), and is considered aberrant behaviour, but we had our Alfred Packer and Jeff Dahmer, too, to name just a couple, and not to mention The Donner Party. It is part of the reason the Holodomor will never be forgotten.
Elsewhere in the world, it has been known to happen among certain groups.
In any place where population grossly exceeds food supply, it is likely to reemerge, as unsavory as we find that.
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