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Prop. 6 supporters ask voters to end slavery in California. Isn't it already illegal?
« on: November 01, 2024, 09:38:12 am »

Prop. 6 supporters ask voters to end slavery in California. Isn't it already illegal?
Story by Hannah Wiley, Anabel Sosa • 3h


Gathered on a sunny morning in Los Angeles on Wednesday, a coalition of criminal justice reform advocates urged voters to pass Proposition 6 and finally rid California of slavery nearly 175 years after it joined the union — as a free state.

"We're here to confront the uncomfortable truth that in our beautiful, great state of California, slavery still exists in our Constitution," Tanisha Cannon, managing director of Legal Services for Prisoners with Children, told the crowd of supporters.
 
Her message was part of a broader campaign pitching support for Proposition 6 as a vote to "end slavery." Yet according to the official state voter guide, Proposition 6 has nothing to do with slavery.

Instead, the measure asks voters whether to remove a provision in the California Constitution that uses language similar to the 13th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution allowing jails and prisons to use "involuntary servitude" as a punishment for crime. If it passes, Proposition 6 would ban that practice, effectively putting an end to mandatory work assignments for prisoners.

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Re: Prop. 6 supporters ask voters to end slavery in California. Isn't it already illegal?
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2024, 09:40:11 am »
Only in Mejifornia!  It won't be long, and they'll want to push the elimination of jails and prisons.
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Re: Prop. 6 supporters ask voters to end slavery in California. Isn't it already illegal?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2024, 10:45:57 am »
Advocates of the proposition are smearing unpaid inmate labor by labelling it slavery. Here is the text of the 13th Amendment, which abolished slavery in the US:

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AMENDMENT XIII

Section 1.
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2.
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

IOW, what these liars want to end is expressly permitted by the 13th Amendment.

I haven't seen polling info about this proposition (and probably would not trust it anyway).
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Re: Prop. 6 supporters ask voters to end slavery in California. Isn't it already illegal?
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2024, 10:57:03 am »
It’s actually good to bring up the fact that the vaunted 13th Amend does allow “slavery” for prisoners.

And I think that’s perfectly fine.

As to the idiot saying we must get rid of anything about “slavery”, here we go again, never any punishment in this society ever.  Dr. Spock says no punishment.  So lets include scumbag thugs in that principle.  Let them stay in nice clean places with gyms to work out and good food.
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Re: Prop. 6 supporters ask voters to end slavery in California. Isn't it already illegal?
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2024, 11:49:12 am »
I think having to work to pay unjustifiable taxes to the government is slavery as well as I do so involuntarily.
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Re: Prop. 6 supporters ask voters to end slavery in California. Isn't it already illegal?
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2024, 02:28:42 pm »
Quote from: IsailedawayfromFR on November 01, 2024, 11:49:12 am
I think having to work to pay unjustifiable taxes to the government is slavery as well as I do so involuntarily.
Right up there with the property tax protection racket...

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Re: Prop. 6 supporters ask voters to end slavery in California. Isn't it already illegal?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2024, 04:21:19 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on November 01, 2024, 02:28:42 pm
Right up there with the property tax protection racket...

'Nice house you got there, pal...be a shame if the Sheriff sold it.'

Maybe your state could adopt its version of California's long-hated-by-the-Dems-and-MSM Proposition 13?
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Re: Prop. 6 supporters ask voters to end slavery in California. Isn't it already illegal?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2024, 05:17:12 pm »
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Re: Prop. 6 supporters ask voters to end slavery in California. Isn't it already illegal?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2024, 06:47:28 pm »
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If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"?

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