LIVE: 4 dead, 2 wounded in shooting at Greenwood Park Mall; Good Samaritan shot and killed shooter

[mystery-ak]

LIVE: 4 dead, 2 wounded in shooting at Greenwood Park Mall; Good Samaritan shot and killed shooter
Police tell 13News the shooter was an adult male and has died.


Author: WTHR.com staff
Published: 6:46 PM EDT July 17, 2022
Updated: 8:34 PM EDT July 17, 2022
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GREENWOOD, Ind. — Police are investigating a shooting at Greenwood Park Mall that happened around 6 p.m. Sunday.

Four people are dead and two others wounded in the shooting. Police tell 13News the shooter is among those dead.

Greenwood Chief James Ison said two others were wounded in the shooting and are being treated at area hospitals.

Ison said a good Samaritan witnessed the shooting and shot and killed the shooter.

The shooter is only identified as an adult male at this time. Police said the shooter had a long rifle and several magazines of ammo.

People inside the mall at the time of the shooting told 13News reporter Logan Gay that they heard 20 gunshots in the food court. IMPD said it appears shots were only fired in the food court area.

IMPD is assisting at the scene and said there is no known ongoing threat, during a news conference at 7:45 p.m.

Multiple police units are going through the mall to make sure there are no people wounded or still sheltering in place.

https://twitter.com/IMPDnews/status/1548811671363325953

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https://www.wthr.com/article/news/local/multiple-victims-reported-in-shooting-at-greenwood-park-mall/531-df15bbf5-8eca-4220-b149-7de4735fbe37

[Gefn]

Authorities have confirmed two people are dead after a shooting inside the Greenwood Park Mall on Sunday evening.

"There are multiple casualties (in) this incident," Indianapolis police wrote on their Twitter feed. "There is no known ongoing threat. Multiple agencies are assisting with clearing the mall."

In addition to the two fatalities, additional victims are being treated at nearby hospitals. The shooter's status has not been shared.

The shooting happened in the mall's food court shortly before the mall's 6 p.m. closing time, said Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department, which is assisting the Greenwood Police Department.

https://news.yahoo.com/greenwood-park-mall-shooting-leaves-000204905.html

[Gefn]

 Breaking

[libertybele]

The continued violence is disturbing; though I find it interesting that the amount of violence being reported has increased significantly since Joe took office. 

Is the MSM making it a point to report every incident in order to crush gun rights or is it because liberal cities have defunded the police or cut back? Perhaps the George Floyd riots and insurrection emboldened people to erupt with violence since very little was done to punish people after Floyd died.

Meanwhile, and perhaps I just haven't been paying attention, but BLM and Antifa have been quiet. Not that I see that as a good sign as they are probably busy growing in number and gearing up.

[mystery-ak]

Report: Armed Citizen Foils Mass Shooting, Kills Indiana Mall Attacker

An armed citizen reportedly foiled a mass shooting by killing an alleged attacker who opened fire Sunday around 6 p.m. in Greenwood Park Mall in Indiana.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/17/report-armed-citizen-foils-mass-shooting-kills-indiana-mall-attacker/

[mountaineer]

The proverbial good guy with a gun ...

[mystery-ak]

Police Chief: 22-Year-Old Who Killed Mall Shooter Is ‘Hero of the Day’

Greenwood, Indiana, police chief Jim Ison described the 22-year-old who shot and killed a mall attacker as the “hero of the day.”

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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/07/17/police-chief-22-year-old-killed-mall-shooter-hero/

[Kamaji]

The proverbial good guy with a gun ...

Which is probably why it doesn't seem to be getting a lot of media attention, at least as far as I can see.

[mystery-ak]

Greenwood Park Mall shooting
Wife and husband among Greenwood mall victims; gunman identified

by: Joe Schroeder   

Posted: Jul 18, 2022 / 02:09 PM EDT   

Updated: Jul 18, 2022 / 02:51 PM EDT   


A photo of the Greenwood gunman Johnathan Douglas Sapirman, 20, of Greenwood.

GREENWOOD, Ind. — The four people who died as a result of Sunday’s mass shooting in the Greenwood Park Mall have been identified.

The Greenwood Police Department confirmed that around 6 p.m. Sunday a lone suspect entered the food court of the Greenwood Park Mall, located at 1251 U.S. Hwy 31 North in Greenwood, Indiana. The suspect then shot into the mall, killing three people and injuring two more. The shooter was shot and killed by a man visiting the mall.

On Monday, the Johnson County Coroner’s Office and Marion County Coroner’s Office announced the four adults killed in the shooting.

The deceased have been identified as Pedro Pineda, 56, of Indianapolis and his wife Rosa Mirian Rivera de Pineda, 37. Victor Gomez, 30, of Indianapolis, has also been confirmed as one of the victims.

FOX59 has also confirmed the identity of the gunman as Johnathan Douglas Sapirman, 20, of Greenwood. Sapirman reportedly entered the mall with a rifle and several magazines. He shot and killed three people before an armed citizen killed Sapirman.

According to police, Sapirman doesn’t drive and walked to the mall. Sapirman was armed with a Sig Sauer M400 semi-automatic rifle along with another rifle and a pistol. He had more than 100 rounds of ammunition with him, authorities said.

Police said Sapirman went into the restroom at 4:54 p.m. and didn’t emerge from the restroom and start shooting until an hour and two minutes later.

Police identified the Good Samaritan who shot and killed Sapirman as 22-year-old Elisjsha Dicken.

According to authorities, Pedro and Rosa were sitting and eating when Sapirman opened fire and shot them. Gomez was outside the restroom when he was shot.

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https://fox59.com/greenwood-park-mall-shooting/wife-and-husband-among-greenwood-mall-victims-gunman-identified/

[Kamaji]

What is wrong with these people?

[DCPatriot]

What is wrong with these people?

He "walked to the mall because he didn't drive"?

Sapirman was armed with a Sig Sauer M400 semi-automatic rifle along with another rifle and a pistol. He had more than 100 rounds of ammunition with him, authorities said.

How far of a walk are we talking about here?  Nobody saw him walking with all that weaponry?  How easy is it to hide two rifles?

[Kamaji]

He "walked to the mall because he didn't drive"?

How far of a walk are we talking about here?  Nobody saw him walking with all that weaponry?  How easy is it to hide two rifles?

Good questions.

[GtHawk]

He "walked to the mall because he didn't drive"?

How far of a walk are we talking about here?  Nobody saw him walking with all that weaponry?  How easy is it to hide two rifles?

First of all he could have had the rifles concealed in a duffle bag, second Indiana just changed their laws regarding carrying a gun so we don't know how that played into it. One thing I am really curious about is how long will it take for us to find out that once again we are dealing with a known mental case in this kid. Will we learn that he was unemployed and daddy knowing he was screwed up bought him a $1000 dollar rifle(which comes with a 30 round mag) or will it be another mystery acquisition?

[DCPatriot]

Have become so cynical, that I would be surprised to find out
the 'hero' planned the entire thing in his quest for fame.   

[Smokin Joe]

Have become so cynical, that I would be surprised to find out
the 'hero' planned the entire thing in his quest for fame.   

For now, I'm willing to give him credit for shutting the guy down.

[mystery-ak]

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1549139438038654977

[DCPatriot]

For now, I'm willing to give him credit for shutting the guy down.

Me too, @Smokin Joe but the world has gone so insane, nothing would surprise me anymore.

[Smokin Joe]

Me too, @Smokin Joe but the world has gone so insane, nothing would surprise me anymore.

 

[Hoodat]

Not everyone is happy with the person who stopped the shooter from killing more people:

https://twitter.com/kollarjustin/status/1548832235905863680

[mountaineer]

Justin Kollar is unaware that loving one's neighbor may take many different forms, including protecting them from harm.

[txradioguy]

Not everyone is happy with the person who stopped the shooter from killing more people:

https://twitter.com/kollarjustin/status/1548832235905863680

Yeah the anti 2A types who loudly proclaim "there is no such thing as a good guy with a gun" just had their narrative shattered by a kid with a Glock 19 that took out the bad guy at 40 yards while shielding his girlfriend.

They're just a little salty right now.

[txradioguy]

So this my question about this weekends shooting and the hero that stopped it. The anti 2A types are saying there was a "no guns allowed" policy. Was it an actual posted penal code law like Texas does with 30.06 and 30.07 or was just one of these:



Because it if was just a sign like above and not an actual penal law code for city/county/state it makes a difference from what I've been taught as to whether or not you're violating a suggestion by the establishment or actual law and the punishment that comes with it.

And if it was just the sign/suggestion...then the hero of the Greenwood Mall shooting wasn't doing anything illegal carrying in the mall and another piece of the Left's narrative on this case is destroyed.

[Idiot]

I'd love to know what kind of shot the good samaritan had to make to kill the shooter.  Distance...etc.  God bless the guy for not hesitating and just doing what had to be done.

[txradioguy]

I'd love to know what kind of shot the good samaritan had to make to kill the shooter.  Distance...etc.  God bless the guy for not hesitating and just doing what had to be done.

@mrpotatohead It wasn't at bad breath distance that's for sure.

Sapirman fired 24 rounds in about two minutes, Ison said. A bystander, Elisjsha Dicken, pulled a handgun and shot Sapirman to death, police said.

Dicken, who lives in Seymour, fired the first shot from a distance of about 40 to 50 yards, Ison said.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/national/indiana-mall-mass-shooting-first-victim-had-a-gun-no-time-to-use-it

No military or LEO training....just what his grandfather had taught him.

Thanks to him there was a mass saving instead of a mass shooting.

[Idiot]

@mrpotatohead It wasn't at bad breath distance that's for sure.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/national/indiana-mall-mass-shooting-first-victim-had-a-gun-no-time-to-use-it

No military or LEO training....just what his grandfather had taught him.

Thanks to him there was a mass saving instead of a mass shooting.

40-50 yards with a handgun.  Very nice shooting!

[txradioguy]

40-50 yards with a handgun.  Very nice shooting!

Indeed it is!

That kid should never have to pay for a meal in that food court for the rest of his life.

[GtHawk]

 

Not everyone is happy with the person who stopped the shooter from killing more people:

https://twitter.com/kollarjustin/status/1548832235905863680

I guess this moron thinks the 'Good Samaritan' should have only shot to wound the bad guy, or better yet just done nothing while the bad guy continued to kill people until a cop, you know a professional with a gun that liberal asses like this guy say are the only ones that should have guns finally got there.
I wonder if this moron or his family were in the food court when this went down, would he still whine about the murderous little bastard being killed or a 'Good Samaritan' saving their lives? Yeah he probably would, sheep always do.

[txradioguy]

Well the question of whether the kid could carry or not in the mall seems to have been answered.

The police in Indiana noted that the man who took down the shooter was “lawfully armed.” This, by definition, means that he was eligible under the law. (The mall in question is a “gun-free zone,” but, in Indiana, gun-free zone signs do not have force of law, which means that it is not a crime to ignore them per se, but only to refuse to leave when asked by the owners.)

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/in-indiana-gun-controllers-miss-the-point/

Now the anti 2A types and go pound sand.

[Kamaji]

Well the question of whether the kid could carry or not in the mall seems to have been answered.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/in-indiana-gun-controllers-miss-the-point/

Now the anti 2A types and go pound sand.

[mystery-ak]

Head of gun control group slams ‘myth’ of ‘good guy with a gun’, refers to Indiana hero as ‘vigilante’
July 19, 2022 | Frank Webster

The woefully detached-from-reality president of the gun control group Brady: United Against Gun Violence referred to the man who took down the shooter at a mall in Greenwood, Indiana as a “vigilante” on Monday.

A day after 22-year-old Elisjsha Dicken killed 20-year-old Jonathan Douglas Sapirman, Kris Brown posted on her organization’s Twitter account, “Here’s what we’re not going to do: continue to uplift the NRA myth of a ‘good guy with a gun.’ Let me be clear: If more guns made us safer, America would be the safest country in the WORLD. We need sensible gun laws, not vigilante safety nets. #GreenwoodMall #GunReformNow”

Dicken was in the food court when the would-be mass shooter opened fire on mallgoers. Dicken responded with his legally-carried pistol and took him down for good. Sapirmen killed three people and injured two others, according to Greenwood, Indiana Police Chief James Ison, who also said that more people would surely have died were it not for Dicken engaging the shooter.

Mark Wright, an employee in the food court told Fox 59 at the time, “As soon as we heard shots start popping off, there was at least 25-30, my guys all hit the deck.”

“It was a scary situation, I’ve got some new kids working and they were kinda traumatized by it. I never expected this here at this mall,” he added.

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https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/07/19/head-of-gun-control-group-slams-myth-of-good-guy-with-a-gun-refers-to-indiana-hero-as-vigilante-1263463/

[Kamaji]

If more guns made us safer, America would be the safest country in the WORLD

Switzerland and Israel.

[Idiot]

Switzerland and Israel.

[mountaineer]

Head of gun control group slams ‘myth’ of ‘good guy with a gun’, refers to Indiana hero as ‘vigilante’

Just as these anti-gun nuts don't know what an "assault weapon" is, they have no clue as to what a vigilante is. They seem to believe young Dicken went to the mall with the purpose and hope of finding someone to shoot. They are unable to grasp that being "vigilant" means only that he had his gun with him just in case something happened and that he might help someone.

[mystery-ak]

He broke the law!’: Harpies on The View attack good Samaritan who took down IN shooter
July 20, 2022 | Todd Jaquith


Elisjsha Dicken, the 22-year-old who saved countless lives on Sunday after neutralizing a mass shooter with his handgun, is by all sane measures a true hero in a country that desperately needs one.

But since his heroic actions contradict the carefully-cultivated left-wing narrative, a number of prominent voices have immediately risen up to demonize the young man. Case in point: the majority of the hosts on ABC’s “The View,” whose considered opinion is that Dicken just got “very lucky,” and was probably as bad as the mass shooter since he “broke the law” when he carried his gun into the mall.

It all started, naturally, with co-host Joy Behar, a noted voice of wisdom in modern America. Behar attempted to make the point that good guys with guns cannot stop bad guys with guns. Tell that to the boys who stormed the beaches of Normandy.

“They say that a good guy with a gun can control a bad guy with a gun. Well, we saw in Uvalde that that’s not true,” Behar proclaimed. Whoopi Goldberg agreed, noting the Buffalo shooting as another instance.

Lindsey Granger, the show’s token Republican, rose to the occasion and noted the obvious: “But we saw that it is true in Indiana.”

“It was true in Indiana,” Behar rejoined. “That was a lucky moment.” A few more “lucky moments” like that and mass shooters just might think twice before embarking on a shooting spree. Later in the show, co-host Sunny Hostin also claimed that Dicken was just lucky, and slandered him by suggesting he was breaking the law by carrying his gun into the mall.

“But with this good Samaritan thing,” she explained, “listen, I was trained, when I was at the Justice Department, in firearms. And I was trained in defensive firearm training. It is very hard to hit a moving target. It is hard for people that are trained to hit a moving target. It is very lucky that that good Samaritan hit that moving target in that way.”

“He had a gun permit but he wasn’t supposed to be in the mall with a gun,” Hostin insisted. “So he broke the law, even though he was a good Samaritan.”

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https://www.bizpacreview.com/2022/07/20/he-broke-the-law-harpies-on-the-view-attack-good-samaritan-who-took-down-in-shooter-1263750/

[mountaineer]

he “broke the law” when he carried his gun into the mall.

I don't think so, but am sure Whoopi, et al., can provide a citation to the precise law he allegedly violated. We'll wait.

[DCPatriot]

Does the Supreme Court ruling supersede any signage that might be on the mall property?   

[Kamaji]

Apparently he did not break the law when he entered the mall with his firearm, at least not in Indiana.  I believe that @txradioguy had a post on precisely that issue someplace else.

[sneakypete]

He broke the law!’: Harpies on The View attack good Samaritan who took down IN shooter
July 20, 2022 | Todd Jaquith

“They say that a good guy with a gun can control a bad guy with a gun. Well, we saw in Uvalde that that’s not true,” Behar proclaimed. Whoopi Goldberg agreed, noting the Buffalo shooting as another instance.

@mystery-ak

I remember very well a magazine article about Whoopie when she first became famous back in the 60's or early 70's,and there were a bunch of photos taken of her in the farm house out in the country somewhere (maybe Pa?) that she owned at the time,and maybe still owns.

In one photo where she is sitting at the kitchen table,you can clearly see a shotgun leaning up in a corner.

[txradioguy]

Does the Supreme Court ruling supersede any signage that might be on the mall property?   

@DCPatriot not sure about the SCOTUS ruling...but Indiana law supersedes the malls sign at the entrance.

[txradioguy]

Apparently he did not break the law when he entered the mall with his firearm, at least not in Indiana.  I believe that @txradioguy had a post on precisely that issue someplace else.

In our concealed carry classes in Kentucky those signs that say no guns because of "mall policy" or a sign with a gun and the red line through it aren't legally enforceable.

Indiana law says the same thing.

Now if security or someone from the mall management asks you to leave or secure your weapon in your car you have to comply and if you refuse then the cops can get involved.

Unless there is a state penal law posted at the entrance...similar to what they do in Texas...then you can carry concealed regardless of what the mall wants you to do.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Jack Posobiec
@JackPosobiec

So when is Biden going to give Elisjsha Dicken the Presidential Medal of Freedom for saving all those people in the mall?

9:12 AM · Jul 21, 2022·Twitter for iPhone

[Right_in_Virginia]

Scott Adams
@ScottAdamsSays

The safest place in America is near a Republican who is armed.

9:53 AM · Jul 21, 2022·Twitter Web App

[GtHawk]

Jack Posobiec
@JackPosobiec

So when is Biden going to give Elisjsha Dicken the Presidential Medal of Freedom for saving all those people in the mall?

9:12 AM · Jul 21, 2022·Twitter for iPhone

On the twelfth of never.

[American Girl]

On Sunday, a deranged murderer was stopped by Eli Dicken within 15 seconds.
 
Fortunately, Eli was carrying a concealed handgun.
 
More lives would have been lost if it wasn’t for Eli’s heroics.

But I didn't know how great was his shoot until now!!!
#elidicken #indiana #gun #shooter


https://www.rightjournalism.com/weve-made-a-rendering-of-the-40-yard-shot-that-took-down-the-indiana-mall-shooter-this-guy-is-jason-freaking-bourne-photos/

[IsailedawayfromFR]

[mountaineer]

Next time on the range, I'm going to try shooting from a lot farther away!

[sneakypete]

Next time on the range, I'm going to try shooting from a lot farther away!

@mountaineer

I hope you are not too surprised when the range Safety Officer tells you to not do that anymore.

They seem to frown on people shooting handguns at distant targets.

Not as much as they frown on simulated combat "rapid fire drills" at close targets,where you empty a 1911A1 before the first empty casing hits the ground,though.

In my defense,this was a 1911A1 that had been completely rebuilt and modified BY me and FOR the loads that I custom loaded to fire in it.

I ain't going to say they were hot,but a standard GI Issue 45ACP ball round would not even cycle my slide enough to jam.

Who says 45 ACP hollow point bullets won't expand?

BTW,a VERY serious tech tip for any new shooters and reloaders planning on loading up ammo hotter than recommended. Do not even THINK about doing this without using virgin QUALITY brass,and after that one firing,each case should be inspected and measured for swelling or cracks,and never loaded with anything but standard loads after that.

We are talking "self-defense loads" here,not target loads.

A little bit of safe is better than all the "sorry" in the world.

[mountaineer]

At least I can send the target to its farthest point (via the "come along"). Better than nothing!