Afghanistan: Where will refugees go after Taliban takeover?

[libertybele]

One observation:  I've noticed no mention of COVID among the Afghani's or precautions being taken.  I wonder if they will be vaccinated before they enter the U.S.??

Afghanistan: Where will refugees go after Taliban takeover?

How many Afghans are leaving?

At the moment, it's unclear.

The Taliban control all the main land crossing points with Afghanistan's neighbours (shown on the map below) and the militants have said they do not want Afghans to leave the country. Reports suggest only traders or those with valid travel documents are being allowed to cross.

"The vast majority of Afghans are not able to leave the country through regular channels," a spokesperson for the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) said on Friday. "As of today, those who may be in danger have no clear way out.....

However, some refugees have managed to find a way out of the country.

Several thousand Afghans were said to have crossed into Pakistan not long after the Taliban took control of Kabul, while some 1,500 Afghans have reportedly entered Uzbekistan and are living in tents near the border.

In Kabul, thousands of people have been heading to the international airport, currently the only operational one in the country, in a desperate attempt to flee.

On Friday, a Nato official said more than 18,000 people had been flown out of the airport since the Taliban took over, but it's not clear how many of those were Afghan nationals.

The latest movement of Afghans is part of a historical exodus from a country that has suffered instability and conflict over many years.

Even before the Taliban retook control, more than 550,000 people had been forced to flee their homes this year due to fighting, according to the UNHCR.

That means an estimated 3.5 million Afghans are currently internally displaced within the country..............

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58283177

[dfwgator]

A neighborhood near you.

[Idiot]

A neighborhood near you.

Apparently a lot of them are going to El Paso.  Ship them up to the northeast, let them handle the problem.

[libertybele]

Apparently a lot of them are going to El Paso.  Ship them up to the northeast, let them handle the problem.

They should fit right in with all the Antifa/BLM'ers in D.C.

[berdie]

Apparently a lot of them are going to El Paso.  Ship them up to the northeast, let them handle the problem.

El Paso? Great idea....because they aren't dealing with the southern border invasion./s

[Wingnut]

Seattle and Portland would be a good fit.

[dfwgator]

Apparently a lot of them are going to El Paso.  Ship them up to the northeast, let them handle the problem.

Of course they will mostly go to red states, got to complete the transformation of America.

[Hoodat]

I don't have a problem with Afghans relocating here.  But I have a HUGE problem with giving them free stuff.  If left on their own, they will have no choice but to assimilate into American society.  But if you give them free stuff (see: Somalis, Minneapolis), then we effectively subsidize their contempt and segregation.  And if you get caught breaking the rules, it earns you a one-way ticket back to Kabul.

[libertybele]

I don't have a problem with Afghans relocating here.  But I have a HUGE problem with giving them free stuff.  If left on their own, they will have no choice but to assimilate into American society.  But if you give them free stuff (see: Somalis, Minneapolis), then we effectively subsidize their contempt and segregation.  And if you get caught breaking the rules, it earns you a one-way ticket back to Kabul.

From what I have seen, read and heard, the Muslim population that is already here is NOT assimilating.  Dearborn, MI, Hamtramck, MI are good examples.  There have been court cases where Sharia Law has tried to overturn U.S. law.

There is a growing presence (my county included) of mosques. Just as we Americans have had to adapt to the influx of Hispanics by having to make everything bi-lingual in this country, including our American students being required to learn some Spanish in school, we will soon be seeing the Arabic language all over as well and a requirement to learn their language.

America and Americans MUST come first in order for our Republic to survive.

This influx of Afghani's IMO is going to be a complete disaster and the final nail in the coffin to our Republic.  You don't invite people here from an area where they have vowed to kill Americans. 

Take a look at the Muslim transformation over in Europe and you will get a glimpse of what's just around the corner.

You can call me a racist, but I have a problem with the plan to resettle the Afghan "refugees" here.

[dfwgator]

I don't have a problem with Afghans relocating here.  But I have a HUGE problem with giving them free stuff.  If left on their own, they will have no choice but to assimilate into American society.  But if you give them free stuff (see: Somalis, Minneapolis), then we effectively subsidize their contempt and segregation.  And if you get caught breaking the rules, it earns you a one-way ticket back to Kabul.

Don't be so naïve.

[Hoodat]

Don't be so naïve.

I know, @dfwgator .  We don't see eye-to-eye on this one.  I just have this silly idealistic view that I just can't seem to shed - a view of America being this bastion of freedom to the world.  A beacon to all those who hold the vision of the American dream, and who desire the freedom to achieve the impossible.

That dream has been destroyed by an immigration system that holds this ideal in contempt.  A system that puts unnecessary burdens on those who follow the rules, a system that steals their hope.  We have a system that rewards those who seek to game the system - those who flock to our borders, not because of the chance at opportunity, but because they can get a free education, free health care, free housing, free food, etc.

The easiest way to fix the system is to stop giving out free stuff.  Do that, and the ones we don't want will go elsewhere.

[libertybele]

I know, @dfwgator .  We don't see eye-to-eye on this one.  I just have this silly idealistic view that I just can't seem to shed - a view of America being this bastion of freedom to the world.  A beacon to all those who hold the vision of the American dream, and who desire the freedom to achieve the impossible.

That dream has been destroyed by an immigration system that holds this ideal in contempt.  A system that puts unnecessary burdens on those who follow the rules, a system that steals their hope.  We have a system that rewards those who seek to game the system - those who flock to our borders, not because of the chance at opportunity, but because they can get a free education, free health care, free housing, free food, etc.

The easiest way to fix the system is to stop giving out free stuff.  Do that, and the ones we don't want will go elsewhere.

 @Hoodat at one time being a shining light of freedom to the rest of the world was a reality.  That reality has been grossly taken advantage of and the DEM party IS largely responsible for not requiring assimilation to our society; quite the opposite.

As I mentioned up thread, you don't invite people in from an area where they have vowed to kill Americans. 

There is no way to vet the Afghans who are coming into this country under refugee status; I can almost guarantee that ISIS and the Taliban will be among them.

[yodaspock]

Can we hang from the highest yard arm, anyone who allows/vets an Afghani who goes on to rape Americans, which is what happens in Europe. It's Ok to vet but you need to have high standards when you do. It's not the same thing as handing out ballots in a blue city. It's going to be very difficult to assimilate A Goat Herder, not a lot of transferable skills to America. 

[libertybele]

Can we hang from the highest yard arm, anyone who allows/vets an Afghani who goes on to rape Americans, which is what happens in Europe. It's Ok to vet but you need to have high standards when you do. It's not the same thing as handing out ballots in a blue city. It's going to be very difficult to assimilate A Goat Herder, not a lot of transferable skills to America.

How do you vet Afghan's??  We don't have records of these people's backgrounds. They are coming into this country, just because period; regardless of their situation.  How do we know their situation to be true?  They themselves can be rapists, murderers, torturers, etc.  We don't know.  Sure women and children are coming over, but a lot of men are coming over as well and again, there is no way to vet these people.  None.  It's not like we can go to the Afghan townhall website and look up their records.

As these women and children live in the U.S., there is no way to MAKE them assimilate. We cannot force them to give up their religion, customs, or even Sharia laws that they are accustomed to.

IMO allowing these refugees in is going to be the demise of our Republic. 

Many examples of towns and cities in our country where the Muslim population have NOT assimilated; just the opposite. Call to worship can be heard to their mosques, women and men wearing Muslim garb.  NO. NO. NO.  Resettling them here is the DEMS plan for a reason -- China Joe made a deal. 

[unite for individuality]

How do you vet Afghan's??  We don't have records of these people's backgrounds. They are coming into this country, just because period; regardless of their situation.  How do we know their situation to be true?  They themselves can be rapists, murderers, torturers, etc.  We don't know.  Sure women and children are coming over, but a lot of men are coming over as well and again, there is no way to vet these people.  None.  It's not like we can go to the Afghan townhall website and look up their records.

Here's a plan that could work, so we KNOW the gov't won't do it.

Put the refugees in a camp.  Build barracks for them. Or have them build barracks.
Make it a fenced in camp.  Nobody gets in or out without permission.
Treat them humanely.  Provide adequate food and shelter.

Plant among them some Afghans who have already immigrated, and have been vetted.
Let the plants mingle among the refugees. Let them listen to their private conversations.
Have these plants tell us which ones are sincere refugees and who are enemies.

We DO have records on SOME of the refugees.
They are the ones who worked with our people for the last 20 years.
Those people SHOULD be evacuated and admitted.
But China Joe is abandoning them,
and is even giving Taliban all their names and biometric information!

Don't tell Biden.  Next he'll want to give to the drug cartels the names of every informant!

[cato potatoe]

There is no reason to bring these people here.  It's far more expensive than relocating them to the middle east or the muslim parts of asia, and most of them will never adapt to the change.  Most importantly, this will cause irreparable damage to America.  Just look at the refugee situation in Europe.  Once we have this problem, it's here forever.

[Fishrrman]

cato, agreed.

Afghans DO NOT BELONG in the U.S. (with the possible exception of Christians, if there are any).
(NO muslims belong here).
Sorry if anyone in the forum doesn't like that.

[EdinVA]

If they refuse to stay and fight for their country, why does anyone thing it will be different when they come here?
Population of Afghanistan 40 million vs 20,000 thugs and they wont fight... we don't need them here.

[libertybele]

Here's a plan that could work, so we KNOW the gov't won't do it.

Put the refugees in a camp.  Build barracks for them. Or have them build barracks.
Make it a fenced in camp.  Nobody gets in or out without permission.
Treat them humanely.  Provide adequate food and shelter.

Plant among them some Afghans who have already immigrated, and have been vetted.
Let the plants mingle among the refugees. Let them listen to their private conversations.
Have these plants tell us which ones are sincere refugees and who are enemies.

We DO have records on SOME of the refugees.
They are the ones who worked with our people for the last 20 years.
Those people SHOULD be evacuated and admitted.
But China Joe is abandoning them,
and is even giving Taliban all their names and biometric information!

Don't tell Biden.  Next he'll want to give to the drug cartels the names of every informant!

Again, there is no way to vet these refugees coming in.

How about they be transported to other areas in the M.E. where they religion, Sharia law and their language is recognized?  That is logical.

What is NOT logical is having refugees in our country from an area where terrorists have threatened to kill is.  Again, who is to say that among these supposed "refugees" there aren't Taliban and ISIS, which is probably more than likely.

[EdinVA]

Here's a plan that could work, so we KNOW the gov't won't do it.

Put the refugees in a camp.  Build barracks for them. Or have them build barracks.
Make it a fenced in camp.  Nobody gets in or out without permission.
Treat them humanely.  Provide adequate food and shelter.

Plant among them some Afghans who have already immigrated, and have been vetted.
Let the plants mingle among the refugees. Let them listen to their private conversations.
Have these plants tell us which ones are sincere refugees and who are enemies.

We DO have records on SOME of the refugees.
They are the ones who worked with our people for the last 20 years.
Those people SHOULD be evacuated and admitted.
But China Joe is abandoning them,
and is even giving Taliban all their names and biometric information!

Don't tell Biden.  Next he'll want to give to the drug cartels the names of every informant!

The muslims already know who the bad actors are and refuse to turn them in, both here in the US and in Afghanistan.

[cato potatoe]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/23/gop-sen-ben-sasse-afghan-refugees-welcome-in-my-neighborhood/

Ben Sasse, repaying the people of Nebraska. 

[Wingnut]

Where will they go.  Lets ask AirBnB.