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Why The Trump Decision To Delay Aid To Ukraine Is Under Scrutiny
« on: December 07, 2019, 07:19:52 pm »
Why The Trump Decision To Delay Aid To Ukraine Is Under Scrutiny

December 6, 20197:42 PM ET

Why the Trump administration delayed nearly $400 millions of dollars in security aid to Ukraine is the question at the heart of the impeachment inquiry into President Trump.

Democrats say the president tried to coerce an ally to help him take down a political opponent. Republicans argue it's a routine use of presidential power.

Interviews with current and former officials show how the Trump administration's hold-up of aid to Ukraine was irregular and likely violated U.S. law, and has far-reaching consequences at home and overseas.

Tim Rieser, who has decades of experience with foreign aid, had a front row seat to the process that unfolded this summer. He is a staff director of the Senate subcommittee that handles funding for State Department programs. He also serves as senior foreign policy adviser to Democratic Sen. Pat Leahy of Vermont...………

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/06/785349739/why-the-trump-decision-to-delay-aid-to-ukraine-is-under-scrutiny
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Re: Why The Trump Decision To Delay Aid To Ukraine Is Under Scrutiny
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2019, 07:37:36 pm »
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Democrats say the president tried to coerce an ally to help him take down a political opponent.

It is impossible to coerce anyone when they has no knowledge that something is being withheld.  And for the record, Hunter Biden isn't a political opponent.

Not to mention that Ukraine never did what Trump suggested.  But then why let facts get in the way of a good political smear campaign.
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Re: Why The Trump Decision To Delay Aid To Ukraine Is Under Scrutiny
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2019, 07:41:07 pm »
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[Reiser] also serves as senior foreign policy adviser to Democratic Sen. Pat Leahy of Vermont...………

This would be the same Pat Leahy who was kicked off the Intelligence committee for leaking classified information through that committee.
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Re: Why The Trump Decision To Delay Aid To Ukraine Is Under Scrutiny
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2019, 07:48:26 pm »
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Democrats say the president tried to coerce an ally to help him take down a political opponent.

Endlessly repeating the same lie doesn't make it true.  Typical NPR malarkey.
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Re: Why The Trump Decision To Delay Aid To Ukraine Is Under Scrutiny
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2019, 08:28:10 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on December 07, 2019, 07:48:26 pm
Endlessly repeating the same lie doesn't make it true.  Typical NPR malarkey.

I wouldn't have posted it if I believed it is a lie.  I don't believe it is a lie, but just like it questions in the bottom of the article is it impeachable.  I don't know.  It sure isn't the nothing burger that Trump is trying to project.  Realist.
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Re: Why The Trump Decision To Delay Aid To Ukraine Is Under Scrutiny
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2019, 08:30:21 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on December 07, 2019, 08:28:10 pm
I wouldn't have posted it if I believed it is a lie.  I don't believe it is a lie, but just like it questions in the bottom of the article is it impeachable.  I don't know.  It sure isn't the nothing burger that Trump is trying to project.  Realist.

Assigning motivation to people you don't know is more like it.  This is what you are doing here.
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Re: Why The Trump Decision To Delay Aid To Ukraine Is Under Scrutiny
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2019, 08:35:37 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on December 07, 2019, 08:28:10 pm
I wouldn't have posted it if I believed it is a lie.  I don't believe it is a lie

@Chosen Daughter

Again, how could Trump have been coercing the Ukrainians if they had no knowledge that anything was being withheld?  And let's take it a step further.  Let's assume they did know they were being coerced. if they knew they were being coerced, then why did they not rehire the prosecutor?

Contrast this with Biden.  Biden tells them he is withholding $1 billion unless they fire the prosecutor.  They fire the prosecutor.  Biden gives them the money.  This the very thing that Trump is being falsely accused of doing.

Trump:

- Doesn't tell them that money is being withheld
- Makes zero demands of Ukraine
- Releases the money after seeing Zelenskyy isn't corrupt like the last guy
- Ukraine does nothing
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Re: Why The Trump Decision To Delay Aid To Ukraine Is Under Scrutiny
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2019, 08:59:32 pm »
Obama withheld military aid to Ukraine for ?almost 3 years (2/14-1/17)?, 999yawn . Trump put military aid to Ukraine on hold for 5 months, IMPEACH THE BASTARD!!!
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Re: Why The Trump Decision To Delay Aid To Ukraine Is Under Scrutiny
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2019, 09:26:31 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on December 07, 2019, 08:35:37 pm
@Chosen Daughter

Again, how could Trump have been coercing the Ukrainians if they had no knowledge that anything was being withheld?  And let's take it a step further.  Let's assume they did know they were being coerced. if they knew they were being coerced, then why did they not rehire the prosecutor?

Contrast this with Biden.  Biden tells them he is withholding $1 billion unless they fire the prosecutor.  They fire the prosecutor.  Biden gives them the money.  This the very thing that Trump is being falsely accused of doing.

Trump:

- Doesn't tell them that money is being withheld
- Makes zero demands of Ukraine
- Releases the money after seeing Zelenskyy isn't corrupt like the last guy
- Ukraine does nothing

It's a Rorschach test. 
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