Remedial Education Too Common and Costly, Report Says

[Cyber Liberty]

I dreamed of being an educator. My old man is one. It's too bleep up and it doesn't pay enough, though. I'm going to make sure my descendants don't have to worry about how they will afford an education or where they can afford to live. I can't achieve that as an educator.

I would never be a Teacher anyway.  I'm not cut out for it.

[truth_seeker]

Please feel free to put my overconfidence in its place with detailed explanations of anything I am blatantly wrong about. I offer no guarantees that I will agree with what you say, but I'll do my best.

How about simply answering the question about YOUR education and work experience?

[Dexter]

How about simply answering the question about YOUR education and work experience?

I don't think it matters because when it comes to things like global warming I don't say anything that's not backed up by the words of experts.

[Cyber Liberty]

[the_doc]

I would never be a Teacher anyway.  I'm not cut out for it.

I honestly think I could be a first-rate HS teacher, but the schools don't really need outstanding teachers.  They just need pretty good teachers who are given guidelines--and in some cases, permission--to teach the right stuff and to uphold proper standards of learning.  And they need to quit terrorizing the teachers by blaming them when completely rotten little Johnny refuses to learn to read.  ("No child left behind"?  I say teachers ought to be able to set the bar pretty high for passing and promotion.  [Eventually, parents and kids would get the right idea.])

[RoosGirl]

Kinda puts a damper on the idea of the gov't taking over universities also, huh?

[Sanguine]

I don't think it matters because when it comes to things like global warming I don't say anything that's not backed up by the words of experts.

@the_doc, @Dexter is a believer in AGW, because the "experts" say it is so.  The fact that the evidence fails to back up the "expert consensus" and consensus is not how science works appears to not be a compelling argument for Dex.  And, Dexter, please correct me if I have any of your opinion on the subject wrong.

[Sanguine]

I would never be a Teacher anyway.  I'm not cut out for it.

Because you would steal their PB&Js?

[truth_seeker]

I don't think it matters because when it comes to things like global warming I don't say anything that's not backed up by the words of experts.

What is your educational and work experience in the fields of science, math, statistics, probability,physics, meteorology, geology, oceanography?


How deo you determine an "expert" from a pseudo-scientist?

Do you accept opinions from the popular media,and politicians, as scientific fact, or do you have curiosity to search for the truth yourself?

[Dexter]

How deo you determine an "expert" from a pseudo-scientist?

A consensus doesn't make something a fact, but when the vast majority of the most qualified people are saying the same thing we should take them seriously.

[Cyber Liberty]

Kinda puts a damper on the idea of the gov't taking over universities also, huh?

Well, it should, but I find comments by left-wingers (not just here) distressing because nobody wants to learn that lesson.  They all want to soldier forward for the ideological cause.  Most common argument I hear?  "Hey, the Feds are already in on it, so there's not a damned thing you righties can do about it...LOL!  Suck it!  (Cut to excerpt from Carole King's 'It's too late, baby!')"

My experiences (there's that word again) might explain some of my comments on this thread.

[Cyber Liberty]

A consensus doesn't make something a fact, but when the vast majority of the most qualified people are saying the same thing we should take them seriously.

Or, as I call it, the "Consensus Method of Scientific Discovery."  If I could line up a group of 100 "Experts" and 90% of them agree the Earth is flat, then it's flat. 

That is how seriously I take climate experts.  The scientific methods I grew up with don't agree with Consensus Theory.  The more experts are pushed at me without supporting evidence, the more I will be inclined to reject their analysis.

[Dexter]

Or, as I call it, the "Consensus Method of Scientific Discovery."  If I could line up a group of 100 "Experts" and 90% of them agree the Earth is flat, then it's flat. 

That is how seriously I take climate experts.  The scientific methods I grew up with don't agree with Consensus Theory.  The more experts are pushed at me without supporting evidence, the more I will be inclined to reject their analysis.

Does the heliocentrism consensus mean nothing? Might the sun actually revolve around the Earth?

[the_doc]

A consensus doesn't make something a fact, but when the vast majority of the most qualified people are saying the same thing we should take them seriously.

It seems to me that the vast majority of the most qualified people do not endorse AGW.

[Dexter]

It seems to me that the vast majority of the most qualified people do not endorse AGW.

Preposterous.

[Sanguine]

Preposterous.

Nope.  Doc is correct. 

Most of the people who support AGW are NOT climate scientists, and those who do not support AGW do not make the news.

[Cyber Liberty]

Nope.  Doc is correct. 

Most of the people who support AGW are NOT climate scientists, and those who do not support AGW do not make the news.

You mean Neil DG Tyson the Astronomer and Bill Nye the Mechanical Engineer Guy don't count?  Fooey!

[roamer_1]

It's a shame that enormous classrooms, limited supplies and shitty pay are mitigating the quality of our public education.

Yeah.. and the average kid costs 10k per year in taxes

Funny thing, when I was on top of things, I paid $3500 per year for top-shelf private christian education for my kids (while still having to pay for crappy public education I wasn't using). The education was so far superior that when I fell ill and could no longer afford the christian school, and my kids transferred to public school, my kids coasted for, on average, two YEARS till the public school started covering things they hadn't already learned.

Then folks wonder why I am against government funded education...

[roamer_1]

I'm fine with the states handling it as long as certain standards are met, like the average child being able to read and write within a reasonable amount of time.

That standard is not being met now. No where near it. What, some %45 graduating high school are functionally illiterate? You really want to keep throwing money down that hole?

[Sanguine]

You mean Neil DG Tyson the Astronomer and Bill Nye the Mechanical Engineer Guy don't count?  Fooey!

Exactly who I was thinking of!  And, don't forget Al Gore and the Big 0.

[roamer_1]

Now, there you go again, Dex.  Stand up straight, clean your room and be of good cheer.  We adults will try to fix things for you.

Been listening to Jordan Peterson I see... :D

[the_doc]

Exactly who I was thinking of!  And, don't forget Al Gore and the Big 0.

Don't forget Moonbeam. 

[Dexter]

Nope.  Doc is correct. 

Most of the people who support AGW are NOT climate scientists, and those who do not support AGW do not make the news.

I think the more important detail is that almost all climate scientists agree with AGW to varying degrees.

[Sanguine]

Been listening to Jordan Peterson I see... :D

Somebody got it!   

[roamer_1]

I think the more important detail is that almost all climate scientists agree with AGW to varying degrees.

Doesn't matter who agrees. What matters is the data, and the data is not only questionable, and provably altered, but when all that is corrected, it shows *no* warming.

[roamer_1]

Somebody got it!   

@Sanguine
I have not read Freud, Jung, or Nietzsche in a very long time... And that just enough to solidify my opinion about the entire field of psychology (which isn't very high, to be kind).... JP makes me want to go read though it again to see where it he gets his thinking from.

Amazingly adroit thinker, and a pleasure to listen to.   

@Dexter could get a lot from JP, I bet...

[Sanguine]

@Sanguine
I have not read Freud, Jung, or Nietzsche in a very long time... And that just enough to solidify my opinion about the entire field of psychology (which isn't very high, to be kind).... JP makes me want to go read though it again to see where it he gets his thinking from.

Amazingly adroit thinker, and a pleasure to listen to.   

@Dexter could get a lot from JP, I bet...

We all can get a lot from him. 

[roamer_1]

We all can get a lot from him.

Right.... But I was getting at the widely held belief that his main appeal is with millennial males.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Sanguine
I have not read Freud, Jung, or Nietzsche in a very long time... And that just enough to solidify my opinion about the entire field of psychology (which isn't very high, to be kind).... JP makes me want to go read though it again to see where it he gets his thinking from.

Amazingly adroit thinker, and a pleasure to listen to.   

@Dexter could get a lot from JP, I bet...

Maybe Joel O'Steen?

[Sanguine]

Maybe Joel O'Steen?

 

[Cyber Liberty]

 

[berdie]

I think the more important detail is that almost all climate scientists agree with AGW to varying degrees.

Have you ever heard George Carlin's stand up on global warning? It makes as much sense to me as climate scientists. If you can't find it let me know...I'll find it.

[Cyber Liberty]

"The Earth isn't going anywhere........WE ARE."

[roamer_1]

I think the more important detail is that almost all climate scientists agree with AGW to varying degrees.

One Man's Discovery Sinks Major Climate Study 15:13

[truth_seeker]

@Sanguine

@Dexter could get a lot from JP, I bet...

However @Dexter seems to already know everything.

[Cyber Liberty]

However @Dexter seems to already know everything.

Yeah, that clears up a lot. 

[Sanguine]

However @Dexter seems to already know everything.

One point in his defense though, even though he seems impervious to some of the facts that have been presented, he is here after all, and maybe some of it is sinking in. 

[berdie]

I hope so @Sanguine I hope so.

[Dexter]

"The Earth isn't going anywhere........WE ARE."

It might be possible for us to mitigate the speed at which that happens. I think as long as humanity survives for another 300 years or so it's going to be fine for a very long time.

[Dexter]

However @Dexter seems to already know everything.

I bet you could teach me a shitload of things about the different jobs and experiences you've had in your life. I don't take your experience with life as lightly as you might assume.

[roamer_1]

However @Dexter seems to already know everything.

That's right... But then what young feller doesn't?

@Dexter is alright. He has already figured out that the left is crazy... He's just hanging on for dear life through a paradigm shift in philosophy.

He's a thinker, and he's here. That says a lot.

[Dexter]

That's right... But then what young feller doesn't?

@Dexter is alright. He has already figured out that the left is crazy... He's just hanging on for dear life through a paradigm shift in philosophy.

He's a thinker, and he's here. That says a lot.

Some part of me definitely sensed that I was missing something. I'm probably still missing things, but I doubt I'll end up thinking like most of you do in the end. I believe sanity can be found in between extreme ideas.

[roamer_1]

Some part of me definitely sensed that I was missing something. I'm probably still missing things, but I doubt I'll end up thinking like most of you do in the end. I believe sanity can be found in between extreme ideas.

Truth is not found in compromise. Ergo, sanity, which is impossible without truth, is likewise.

It is the truth of a thing that matters. After you know what the truth is, then a proper decision can be made. Most of what you think can be found in compromise is utterly useless, and sometimes damaging... And only popular because the truth is not known.

Especially in this age of propaganda, the principle things will lead the way.

[GtHawk]

It's a shame that enormous classrooms, limited supplies and shitty pay are mitigating the quality of our public education.

It's a shame that instead of educating our children reading, writing, mathematics, history and the sciences our overpaid(for what we receive) administrators and educators are busy  indoctrinating our children in socialism, Gaia worship and perversion. Not to mention all the resources stolen from legal Americans and spent on third world invaders. But hey that's just my take on it. I take it from your response you side with the socialists? Because all I can remember for decades is more and more and more money thrown at education from when I was a child and the end result after all that money? Our student have known less and been less prepared not just for higher education, but for life, year after year after year!