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Costs of different battery storage technologies depend on technical characteristics
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=36432
JUNE 1, 2018



Capital costs for large-scale battery storage systems installed across the United States differ depending on technical characteristics. Systems are generally designed to provide either greater power capacity (a battery’s maximum instantaneous power output) or greater energy capacity (the total amount of electricity that can be stored or discharged by a battery system).

The cost of a battery system can be expressed in terms of power capacity costs (dollars spent per unit of maximum instantaneous power output as expressed in dollars per kilowatt) or energy capacity costs (dollars spent per unit of total energy stored as expressed in dollars per kilowatthour), depending on which attribute is prioritized.

Power-oriented systems are shorter duration systems, meaning they are typically designed to generate large amounts of instantaneous power output but cannot sustain that output for very long. These systems have lower costs per kilowatt and higher costs per kilowatthour. For example, a $12 million battery system with a nameplate power capacity of 10 megawatts and nameplate energy capacity of 4 megawatthours would have relatively low power costs ($1,200 per kilowatt) and relatively high energy costs ($3,000 per kilowatthour).

Power-oriented systems are designed to provide grid reliability services such as frequency regulation, which requires large shifts in the power capacity in quick, sub-hourly intervals. Power-oriented battery systems are more prevalent in the PJM Interconnection than other regions and actively participate in PJM’s ancillary services market.

Energy-oriented systems are designed for use for longer durations, meaning they have more energy capacity relative to their power capacity. As a result, these systems have higher average costs per kilowatt and lower costs per kilowatthour. For example, an $8 million battery system with a nameplate power capacity of 4 megawatts and nameplate energy capacity of 10 megawatthours would have relatively high power costs ($2,000 per kilowatt) and relatively low energy costs ($800 per kilowatthour).

Energy-oriented battery systems are used to provide services such as peak load shaving, which is the act of delivering power during periods of the highest electricity demand, typically over the course of one or more hours. Energy-oriented battery systems are relatively more popular in the California Independent System Operator (CAISO) area.

The nameplate duration of the battery storage system is the ratio of nameplate energy capacity to nameplate power capacity. For example, a system with a 6-megawatt power capacity and a 24-megawatthour energy capacity has a nameplate duration of 4 hours.

Short-duration batteries—which are power oriented—have durations of less than 30 minutes.

Medium-duration battery storage systems have nameplate durations ranging between 30 minutes and 2 hours.

Long-duration battery storage systems—which are energy oriented—have more than 2 hours of nameplate duration.

EIA’s recently released U.S. Battery Storage Market Trends report explores trends in U.S. battery storage capacity additions and describes the current state of the market, including information on applications and cost, as well as market and policy drivers.
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Got any data on how long those long-lived systems last? 

It certainly looks like costs are dropping but am wondering how long to replacement is needed.
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Got any data on how long those long-lived systems last? 

It certainly looks like costs are dropping but am wondering how long to replacement is needed.

Some of these are even built with used batteries. 

https://www.renewableenergyworld.com/articles/print/volume-20/issue-5/features/energy-storage/a-brief-history-of-utility-scale-energy-storage.html

That high initial cost for is mostly by changing the nameplate for the design capacity.  If you take a 100 WH battery but only operate it between 30 and 70 WH, it will last an amazing long time.  But it costs 2.5 times as much per WH compared to a short time use at full capacity.

You just cannot directly compare lifespan of laptop and cell phone batteries to industrial application designed for lifespan.
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What about hydrogen? I've always been intrigued by it's use as a storage of energy.

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What about hydrogen? I've always been intrigued by it's use as a storage of energy.

Hydrogen is a terrible fuel.  I've had to work with hydrogen for refineries.  The energy inefficiencies are immense.  There is significant added cost of the special materials and greater finished on machined surfaces.  The low energy density and specific gravity means great losses compressing it to usable volume.

Hydrogen as fuel only makes sense where mass to energy ratio is far more important than cost.  Rockets.

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Hydrogen is a terrible fuel.  I've had to work with hydrogen for refineries.  The energy inefficiencies are immense.  There is significant added cost of the special materials and greater finished on machined surfaces.  The low energy density and specific gravity means great losses compressing it to usable volume.

Hydrogen as fuel only makes sense where mass to energy ratio is far more important than cost.  Rockets.

Interesting.

I have seen this process used to get rust off of rusty parts, hook some electrodes up to the metal part, suspend it in a salt water solution, hook the electrodes up to a battery, the rust comes off, but the hydrogen gas that results is explosive. I have often wondered about hooking up the electrodes to a solar panel or something.

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Interesting.

I have seen this process used to get rust off of rusty parts, hook some electrodes up to the metal part, suspend it in a salt water solution, hook the electrodes up to a battery, the rust comes off, but the hydrogen gas that results is explosive. I have often wondered about hooking up the electrodes to a solar panel or something.

No doubt that electrolysis will work to produce hydrogen.

But there is a lot less useful chemical energy in that hydrogen than if you used the same electricity to charge a battery.

Add on top of that the energy needed to compress that hydrogen down to a useful volume, or even more energy to liquefy, and you get even less efficiency.

Hydrogen is useful for specific chemical reactions, that is why it used in refineries to reduce the sulfur content in fuels.  It has the lowest mass to energy ratio, mass not volume.

But most of the proposed uses of hydrogen fuel are to meet a feel-good claim of pollution free, while ignoring the requirements to get that hydrogen to a usable state.
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Interesting.

I have seen this process used to get rust off of rusty parts, hook some electrodes up to the metal part, suspend it in a salt water solution, hook the electrodes up to a battery, the rust comes off, but the hydrogen gas that results is explosive. I have often wondered about hooking up the electrodes to a solar panel or something.

You get 30% efficiency for electrolysis of water and a fuel cell for power in versus power out.

Typical Lithion-Ion efficiency is 83% and can by as high as 90%.

Hydrogen or batteries for grid storage?
A net energy analysis
https://gcep.stanford.edu/pdfs/HydrogenBatteries_GridStorage.pdf
April 2015
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