Trump: Extreme Vetting of Gun Buyers "Not Going To Help"

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Susan Jones | November 7, 2017 | 8:14 AM EST

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(CNSNews.com) - Extreme vetting of gun buyers would not have stopped the situation in Sutherland Springs, Texas, President Trump told a news conference in South Korea on Tuesday.

The gunman who killed 26 people passed a background check to purchase four guns in a four-year period because information about his domestic violence convictions did not make it into the national criminal database. That's because the Air Force failed to send the information to the FBI.

An NBC reporter asked Trump on Tuesday if the same "extreme vetting" measure he's recommended for immigrants should be applied to American gun buyers.

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https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/rep-sensenbrenner-not-just-air-force-it-could-be-any-clerk-court-anywhere

Some great comments handing the antis their azzes to wear for a hat.


 smilee Bryan Schmick • 12 hours ago

It is a proven fact the faster you can fire a gun with a big magazine the more you can kill before you get stopped any child can figure that out. Only a Bomb or grenades etc. could possible do more damage quicker. If you use it to kill deer you end up with lead filled hamburger. Its priamry purpose is to kill many people in a hurry.

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    CLS smilee • 7 hours ago

    you know so little about guns its embarrassing
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Bryan Schmick smilee • 8 hours ago

You're avoiding the question for some reason. Doesn't change the fact that an AR-15 without a flash suppressor and bayonet mount was legal with the 94 ban. Do you maintain that these two items aided the shooting? Don't have an answer?

If you prefer to continue to avoid backing up your initial claim about the GOP congress, how about 'How many were killed in the Nice truck attack?'

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https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/rep-sensenbrenner-not-just-air-force-it-could-be-any-clerk-court-anywhere

Some great comments handing the antis their azzes to wear for a hat.


 smilee Bryan Schmick • 12 hours ago

It is a proven fact the faster you can fire a gun with a big magazine the more you can kill before you get stopped any child can figure that out. Only a Bomb or grenades etc. could possible do more damage quicker. If you use it to kill deer you end up with lead filled hamburger. Its priamry purpose is to kill many people in a hurry.

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    CLS smilee • 7 hours ago

    you know so little about guns its embarrassing
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Bryan Schmick smilee • 8 hours ago

You're avoiding the question for some reason. Doesn't change the fact that an AR-15 without a flash suppressor and bayonet mount was legal with the 94 ban. Do you maintain that these two items aided the shooting? Don't have an answer?

If you prefer to continue to avoid backing up your initial claim about the GOP congress, how about 'How many were killed in the Nice truck attack?'

That's funny. With deer, one shot, groceries. Here, you (at least when I asked a few years back) can use an AK with a 30 round mag to hunt deer, if you want to pack all that ammo around. Like the guy from the DNR said, if you need more than the first couple of those rounds to get your deer, you should spend the rest of the magazine on the range learning to shoot.

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That's funny. With deer, one shot, groceries. Here, you (at least when I asked a few years back) can use an AK with a 30 round mag to hunt deer, if you want to pack all that ammo around. Like the guy from the DNR said, if you need more than the first couple of those rounds to get your deer, you should spend the rest of the magazine on the range learning to shoot.

Yessiree!

Funny but I've seen folks here who should know better going on about various 'High Cap' handguns being superior to a 45ACP 1911A1.

For Chrissakes, if you get in a gunfight and you don't stop it with the 1st 3 or 4 rounds, odds are you're dead meat.

19 rounds of inferior cartridge aren't going to save you.

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Yessiree!

Funny but I've seen folks here who should know better going on about various 'High Cap' handguns being superior to a 45ACP 1911A1.

For Chrissakes, if you get in a gunfight and you don't stop it with the 1st 3 or 4 rounds, odds are you're dead meat.

19 rounds of inferior cartridge aren't going to save you.

It isn't even a contest of who has the biggest bullet, although size certainly helps. Even a .22 in the right spot will get the job done. First shot accuracy is the key against any target, whether it be hunting for food or stopping a perp. Which is why I never recommend people carry a firearm in a caliber heavier than they are comfortable shooting.

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It isn't even a contest of who has the biggest bullet, although size certainly helps. Even a .22 in the right spot will get the job done. First shot accuracy is the key against any target, whether it be hunting for food or stopping a perp. Which is why I never recommend people carry a firearm in a caliber heavier than they are comfortable shooting.

Agreed, but I have seen 120lb women handle one of my .45s at the range with NO trouble at all. Surprised the heck out of themselves.

A couple of them thought my .357 Python would kick less. I disabused them of that idea before they even got started.

The slide tames a lot of the expected recoil out of them.

I wouldn't recommend them for starting out a real young shooter, but they aren't the bone bruising monster folks unfamiliar with them regard them as.

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Agreed, but I have seen 120lb women handle one of my .45s at the range with NO trouble at all. Surprised the heck out of themselves.

A couple of them thought my .357 Python would kick less. I disabused them of that idea before they even got started.

The slide tames a lot of the expected recoil out of them.

I wouldn't recommend them for starting out a real young shooter, but they aren't the bone bruising monster folks unfamiliar with them regard them as.

Oh, I agree. I have watched grown men nose over a 9mm in anticipation of recoil, too. A lot of it is mental.

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Yup, going both ways.

Funny observations.

Target range I used to shoot at had a long tin sheet roof over the benches.

Often as not when I arrived there'd be a few wanna be Rambos banging away with AR-15s, (weren't hitting a damn thing - grouping 16 inches and worse at 100 yards) and I caught more than one hot, empty brass casing down the front of my shirt.

Uncasing the .375H&H and putting 3 to 4 270 grain spire points downrange usually cleared them right off the range from the SPL and concussion under that tin roof.

And nobody else shooting there that day there missed them and their semi automatic squirrel rifles either.

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Yup, going both ways.

Funny observations.

Target range I used to shoot at had a long tin sheet roof over the benches.

Often as not when I arrived there'd be a few wanna be Rambos banging away with AR-15s, (weren't hitting a damn thing - grouping 16 inches and worse at 100 yards) and I caught more than one hot, empty brass casing down the front of my shirt.

Uncasing the .375H&H and putting 3 to 4 270 grain spire points downrange usually cleared them right off the range from the SPL and concussion under that tin roof.

And nobody else shooting there that day there missed them and their semi automatic squirrel rifles either.

When I was much younger I recall similar episodes of banging away with a Mini-14, but we at least tried for accuracy. (Paper dinner plate at 100 yards, anyway). One guy even had an AR-180...a rifle you just don't hear much about any more. If I want to make a 'thump' under a roof, I just pull out the Super Blackhawk.
My rifles just go up to .30-06, .308, and 7.62X54R, but those make a little bang, too. When the money was flowing in, I looked at a Stoner variant in .338 Lapua, but the price of ammo was a deal breaker. I could get .50 BMG cheaper.

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When I was much younger I recall similar episodes of banging away with a Mini-14, but we at least tried for accuracy. (Paper dinner plate at 100 yards, anyway). One guy even had an AR-180...a rifle you just don't hear much about any more. If I want to make a 'thump' under a roof, I just pull out the Super Blackhawk.
My rifles just go up to .30-06, .308, and 7.62X54R, but those make a little bang, too. When the money was flowing in, I looked at a Stoner variant in .338 Lapua, but the price of ammo was a deal breaker. I could get .50 BMG cheaper.

Does the Lapua use the same diameter bullet as the .338 Winchester?

New brass can't be that expensive.

Any of the reloading manuals, a hand press and the powder to suit, . . .

Used to be tour buses at my range. From Japan.

I took to pocketing my empty brass before target check after I had to ask for one back here and there from souvenir hunters.

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Does the Lapua use the same diameter bullet as the .338 Winchester?

New brass can't be that expensive.

Any of the reloading manuals, a hand press and the powder to suit, . . .

Used to be tour buses at my range. From Japan.

I took to pocketing my empty brass before target check after I had to ask for one back here and there from souvenir hunters.

Reloading is one thing, and would be a bunch cheaper, but the factory ammo was $100.00 a box of 20 (ouch).

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Reloading is one thing, and would be a bunch cheaper, but the factory ammo was $100.00 a box of 20 (ouch).

Holy Rock Star Cartridge Batman!

What super death dealing unobtainium in The Blue Eyed Morning were those projectiles supposedly Made of?

Something came out of Captain America's time capsule?

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Holy Rock Star Cartridge Batman!

What super death dealing unobtainium in The Blue Eyed Morning were those projectiles supposedly Made of?

Something came out of Captain America's time capsule?

I don't know, but the Barrett was just a couple grand more...

As it turns out, though, I didn't get either (grandkid desperately needed a car or something else came up).

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I don't know, but the Barrett was just a couple grand more...

As it turns out, though, I didn't get either (grandkid desperately needed a car or something else came up).

Sounds familiar. Never got to buy the fantasy turn bolt of my dreams either.

Just checked the price on a box of 20 Federal .416 Rigby.

Cabelas has it at $204.99.