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Geert Wilder’s One Page Manifesto: The Future for Holland?
« on: March 15, 2017, 04:57:05 pm »
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Geert Wilder’s One Page Manifesto: The Future for Holland?
by Mark Angelides
March 15, 2017

Barring some surprise electoral catastrophe, Geert Wilders’ Freedom Party (PVV), will likely win the popular vote in the Dutch elections today. His hard-line stance on immigration and (more specifically) integration has set the tone for many of the parties vying for a share of the power. In an effort to counteract PVV’s popularity, many traditionally mainstream (centrist) parties have started veering to the right. Wilder’s appeal comes, in part, from his very straight forward and direct manifesto; he sticks to the message, and anyone who is reasonably literate can read and understand his points in a matter of minutes.

The manifesto has received mixed responses, with some media agencies saying that Wilders seeks to “rid the Netherlands of Islam”, and others saying this is a more “Holland First” platform that prioritizes traditional Dutch values. Wilders famously stated in an interview in 2008, that “Islam is not a religion; it’s an ideology, the ideology of a retarded culture.”

The actual manifesto is a single side of A4 paper and contains 11 pledges, each one sentence long, with only one of the pledges fleshed out. Here they are (translated and provided by medium.com):

1) de-islamize the Netherlands
– Zero asylum seekers and no more immigrants from Muslim countries: we are closing our borders.
– Withdrawal of all residence permits already granted to asylum seekers; asylum seeker centers closed down.
– No more Muslim veils in public functions
– Ban of overall Muslim expressions that are against the public order
– Preventive incarceration of radical Muslims
– Criminals with double nationality stripped of their Dutch citizenship and deported
– Syrian fighters not allowed back in The Netherlands
– All Mosques and Muslim schools are to be closed and the Koran banned.

2) The Netherlands will reclaim its independence. Therefore, we leave the EU.

3) Direct democracy: binding referendums, citizens have the power.

4) Deductible/excess in healthcare insurance is eliminated

5) Rents to be lowered

6) Age of retirement back to 65 years old. Pensions for everyone.

7) No more money for foreign aid, windmills, art, innovation, public broadcasters, etc.

8) Past budget cuts involving care will be reversed.

9) Plenty extra funds for defense and police

10) Lower income taxes

11) 50% reduction for vehicle ownership taxes

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Re: Geert Wilder’s One Page Manifesto: The Future for Holland?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2017, 08:18:58 pm »
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Netherlands: Turnout today to surpass 80%, maybe even 85% (2012: 74.6%). Media reports some station have run out of ballots. #DutchElection pic.twitter.com/oBoJ1o056S— Europe Elects (@EuropeElects) March 15, 2017


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Late voters line up to cast their ballots in the last hour of the elections outside of a polling station in The Hague. Photograph: Remko de Waal/EPA.





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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2017, 09:14:13 pm »
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“Dutch Prime Minister’s VVD Party first in election: exit poll”

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte’s VVD Party won the most seats in parliamentary elections on Wednesday, according to a second exit poll published by national broadcaster NOS.

The anti-Islam Party for Freedom of Geert Wilders was tied with two other parties at 19 seats apiece in the 150-seat house of representatives, while the VVD won 31 seats, according to the poll based on interviews with voters.

Actual results are expected by midnight.



http://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-election-exit-poll-idUSKBN16M2XC


(I just found out that they have an Animal Rights Party .... and it lost 3 seats, but will retain 2   :whistle:)


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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2017, 09:17:51 pm »
He'll be lucky to finish in second place according to the exit polls.

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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2017, 09:20:06 pm »
He'll be lucky to finish in second place according to the exit polls.

True.  PVV, while gaining seats, will most likely finish third.   I'm just relieved the Animal Rights Party lost three seats.   :laugh:

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« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2017, 09:26:28 pm »
The Netherlands is a basket case. Some places are too far gone to be saved.

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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2017, 09:35:32 pm »
Wilders goes too far for the Dutch. Holland was a founding member of the EU.

The UK was not a founding member, making it more easy for the Brits to approve. Barely.
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2017, 10:12:29 pm »
Wilders goes too far for the Dutch. Holland was a founding member of the EU.

The UK was not a founding member, making it more easy for the Brits to approve. Barely.

Seriously they need to not look where they have been, or once been.... but what they are heading into as a deadman walking country.

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« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2017, 10:22:08 pm »
Seriously they need to not look where they have been, or once been.... but what they are heading into as a deadman walking country.
I see at several factors:

Degree of white guilt, for the Holocaust. Swedes and Dutch are essentially germanic, hence some collective responsibility.

Secondly, they need babies to grow up and fund their social benefits; cradle-to-grave.

Thirdly a belief in socialism, again for a collective "good."

Maybe a fourth factor being their weird multiparty system.

A few days after 9/11/2001 I talked with a young Swedish couple. I was stunned by their seemingly ridiculous take on that tragic event.

Sweden prides itself for avoiding wars for over 200 years. I think there is a good bit of that attitude in Europe, after centuries of nearly constant warfare. 
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« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2017, 11:03:49 pm »
I see at several factors:

Degree of white guilt, for the Holocaust. Swedes and Dutch are essentially germanic, hence some collective responsibility.

Secondly, they need babies to grow up and fund their social benefits; cradle-to-grave.

Thirdly a belief in socialism, again for a collective "good."

Maybe a fourth factor being their weird multiparty system.

A few days after 9/11/2001 I talked with a young Swedish couple. I was stunned by their seemingly ridiculous take on that tragic event.

Sweden prides itself for avoiding wars for over 200 years. I think there is a good bit of that attitude in Europe, after centuries of nearly constant warfare.

@truth_seeker

This recent incident with Turkey seemed to harm Wilders, helped Rutte.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/15/dutch-pm-mark-rutte-boosted-by-spat-with-turkey-as-election-nears  (game changer like Hurrican Sandy and Obama vs. Romney)

Wilders reaction was more like a gunslinger, Rutte took a more deliberate view and he is a consensus builder.  For the sake of the Netherlands, I hope the winner can do well.

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« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2017, 11:12:01 pm »
Wilders goes too far for the Dutch. Holland was a founding member of the EU.

The UK was not a founding member, making it more easy for the Brits to approve. Barely.

The Dutch people didn't vote for it.  Their betters made the decision for them.

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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2017, 12:45:40 am »
Europe Elects‏-@EuropeElects-

Netherlands (36% counted):
VVD-ALDE: 21.4%
PVV-ENF 13%
CDA-EPP 12.7%
D66-ALDE 11.9%
SP-LEFT 9.5%
GL-G/EFA 9.1%

Europe Elects‏- Netherlands: Wilders' PVV (ENF) almost strongest party in #Rotterdam (16.1%). VVD (ALDE) receives 16.4%. #Wilders #PVV #Turkey





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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2017, 01:17:24 am »
Europe Elects‏ -@EuropeElects-30m30 minutes ago-

Netherlands (50% counted):
VVD-ALDE: 21.5%
PVV-ENF 13%
CDA-EPP 12.5%
D66-ALDE 11.9%
GL-G/EFA 9.3%
SP-LEFT 9.3%

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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2017, 01:38:52 am »
There are so many political parties there, that it has become almost impossible to move beyond the status quo.

Until… the growing number of muslims makes the move for them...

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« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2017, 02:08:28 am »
Europe Elects‏ @EuropeElects -3m3 minutes ago-

Netherlands (75% counted):
VVD-ALDE: 21.3%
PVV-ENF 13.1%
CDA-EPP 12.5%
D66-ALDE 12%
SP-LEFT 9.3%
GL-G/EFA 9%

(I'm hoping one of the other political parties is a likely voting partner with PVV.  Apparently, VVD has lost seats, 10 at last count and PVV has gained seats, four at last count.  FWIT, Rotterdam went for the PVV.  )



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« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2017, 02:44:45 am »
A lot of those voting too, are not anti-EU; so this vote was far beyond the Muslim scare, beyond being a single issue.

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« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2017, 04:33:01 am »
The Dutch people didn't vote for it.  Their betters made the decision for them.

Well this time around, they had a chance to back a candidate that wanted out of the EU, and they didn't go for it.

The status quo is usually the safe path, psychologically speaking (without a license).
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« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2017, 01:16:57 pm »
Well this time around, they had a chance to back a candidate that wanted out of the EU, and they didn't go for it.

The status quo is usually the safe path, psychologically speaking (without a license).

Yes, my thoughts too.  They had their chance.

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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2017, 01:36:32 pm »
He was leading until 2-3 weeks ago;  I think its clear he mismanaged some of his actions as well. Of course, he had to deal with a breach in security as well.  I wouldn't totally fault the Dutch people.
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Did Wilders fail?

In reality his party gained five seats and, as he pointed out, it is now the second biggest in parliament not the third.

But his decline in the polls was clear and it is being seen partly as self-inflicted.

He refused to take part in two TV debates because of scathing comments about him made by his brother, Paul, on the same TV channel. And many of the public comments he made during the campaign were to foreign journalists.

But it was as much Mark Rutte's success as Geert Wilders' failure. The prime minister's response to Nazi slurs against the Dutch made by Turkey's President Erdogan was praised across the political spectrum.

Continued: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39287689


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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2017, 10:46:20 pm »
He was leading until 2-3 weeks ago;  I think its clear he mismanaged some of his actions as well. Of course, he had to deal with a breach in security as well.  I wouldn't totally fault the Dutch people.
Wilders pushes Rutte to the "right" in terms of immigration. And Wilders' party gained seats. All-in-all, that is a win.

So many parties, makes quick change nearly impossible.
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